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Good news blue-ray is going to win the war.
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BobbyBlu
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Microsoft: Ps3 cant do 60fps on 1080p. Guess what they were WRONG!!!!!
(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
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21. January 2007 @ 09:22 |
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yeah one of the down fall of blu ray is the lack of blu ray porn. having the porn industry on your side is a huge plus. and i dont see why sony's is restircting porn on BD.
and yeah it all depends on where your source is.
In my opinon- too fast of a jump in techonogy is not good. this is what sony aways tries to do. dont know about you guys but ever heard of sony's superbit dvd or wat ever, suppose to be beter than dvds... dead in water. lol i only heard about this on the newss last week. UMD movies are dead. studios are backing out. Although right now there are more movcie studios exclusive to Blu-ray, in the end it will be up tp the consumers. they see 2 HD players both offering 1080p one costs $400 and the other $1000, unless you are loaded and alwayts go for the most expenisve just to boost your self-esteem, most people will go for $400 player.
and oh, im not against the ps3 i think it's great, but ti think this time around the Blu-ray ruined sony's platform.
i just hate to see sony go off the norm with what they think so so good, like their... atrac, umd... why not just suport the offical succssor to the dvd- HD dvd. instead of going off to your own little thing and tying to gain a buck. i wouldnt be suprised it sony lost, history does repeat its self, estpeically when one does the same dumbass thing over and over again.
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BobbyBlu
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UMD movies are dead. studios are backing out. Although right now there are more movcie studios exclusive to Blu-ray, in the end it will be up tp the consumers
UMD was a Sony only based format.That format was for PSP it wasn't competeing again anything so to say it fail is crazy.PSP still use UMD so how did it fail please tell me? Due to the fact PSP has been hacked like crazy has more to do with movies not being on UMD.
As for Blu-ray the reason it winning is because Toshiba has not did a good job of marketing HD-DVD.If you go into any BB or CC you will see this.Sony has pushed Blu-ray very hard which really is a shocker to me because Sony like to sit back and let there product sell itself.If Toshiba market HD-DVD real hard it would kill Blu-ray but they haven't they said that the price point was the seller but i haven't been.
Why do people bring up Beta-max that was two decades ago alot has changed.That arguement has nothing to do with now.
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(11/19/05 - 9/19/06) Microsoft: Sony's 1080p support on PS3 is all Hype and Not Needed.
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21. January 2007 @ 10:06 |
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Why do people bring up Beta-max that was two decades ago alot has changed.That arguement has nothing to do with now.
no, it's a very similar time. a format war then is the same as a format war now. what you're saying is the equivalent of WWI being nothing like WWII.
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21. January 2007 @ 13:14 |
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Nice posts BobbyBlu and nice find with that link.
I really feel at the end blue ray is going to win. All my friends know of Blu-ray and all think its the best. A few know of hd dvd and say Blu-ray is better.
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21. January 2007 @ 14:23 |
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I think the only war either Blu-ray or HD-DVD are going to win will be against each other. Both formats are choked to death with DRM and too specialized to even come close to being the standard in the mass consumer market. They'll remain a niche market which is why I see all the passionate arguments as to which is "better" or which will "win" as kinda funny.
Think I'm crazy? Look at DVD-Audio. It's clearly superior to standard CD's in every way but they require a specialized player and they're choked with DRM and therefore went nowhere. On paper you'd think DVD-Audio would've taken off but it didn't because people want freedom, low prices and convenience with their multimedia - factors Blu-ray and HD-DVD can't meet which I think will doom them both in the long run as mass consumer products. Once the rush of all the high end home theater junkies buying they're Blu-ray or HD-DVD players is over I think the demand is going to dry up considerably.
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21. January 2007 @ 18:16 |
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DVD-Audio didn't go anywhere because the mainstream consumer doesn't care about audio. Plus there was also SACD (DSD) which complicated things. Don't forget the fact that most DVD players didn't support the DVD-Audio spec as well. Most of my customers played there DVD-Audio discs on DVD Video (only) players, heard the DD track and said CD sounds better (which it did). If they would have listened to it (the 192KHz/24-bit MLP-Lossless audio track) on a DVD Audio player then would have been floored. Especially if they had surround sound (Multi-Channel MLP-Lossless).
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21. January 2007 @ 20:22 |
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DVD-Audio didn't go anywhere because the mainstream consumer doesn't care about audio.
Very true but I also think that the average consumer is happy enough with DVD quality that they won't feel the need to go through the expense and hassle of migrating to Blu-ray or HD-DVD.
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Plus there was also SACD (DSD) which complicated things.
Also true but we have two generally similar formats competing now much like DVD-Audio and SACD did and still do.
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Don't forget the fact that most DVD players didn't support the DVD-Audio spec as well.
The same is true of DVD players and Blu-Ray/HD-DVD.
I like and completely agree with your statements - I'm just trying to point out that to me this HD video situation is probably going to follow a similar fate as the HD audio formats did. It seems to me that common busines sense dictates that for the mass market to accept and adopt a new format over a well established one it has to offer everything the consumer is used to and more. The only "more" the new formats offer is higher definition but they take away the nearly universal harware compatibility of DVD , the freedom to play your media just about anywhere on anything you want (taking some flicks to a friends house for example unless they also have a full HD video setup) as well as taking away the ability to transfer your legally purchased media to a video ipod, Zune, PSP or a dozen other portable media players. Also any format that decides to downgrade the quality or flat out won't play it because it doesn't like the equipment I have is a crock.
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21. January 2007 @ 20:50 |
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
but they take away the nearly universal harware compatibility of DVD , the freedom to play your media just about anywhere on anything you want
Originally posted by Nephilim:
I think the only war either Blu-ray or HD-DVD are going to win will be against each other
Your probably right Neph, the war might only be won only against the other format and not with consumers.
The DVD format is widely accepted and is everywhere. Maybe eventually HD-DVD/Blu-Ray/another format not-yet-released will take over DVD but it will probably be quite a while due to the extremely wide usage of DVD. Not sure how anyone else feels on the subject but I like the ability to backup my DVDs. While the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray (due to them both using AACS) backup scene is getting started, its a long ways off from being where DVD backups are in terms of simplicity, the price of blank media and burners.
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24. January 2007 @ 08:53 |
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The better question is why do people care so much who wins? Does BobbyBlu work for Sony (I guess he can answer when the suspension is over)? Me personally, and many others I am sure, won't be buying either for at least 3 years because not only do I need a new player but I need a HD TV. These 2 are going to cost a lot and the HD TV will come first.
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Yup, I would have to buy a new HDTV to get the benefits of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray too. I have a TV from 2002 and it supports up to 1080i but doesn't have HDMI so, as far as I know, it won't work with either of the formats.
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24. January 2007 @ 10:50 |
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Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
Yup, I would have to buy a new HDTV to get the benefits of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray too. I have a TV from 2002 and it supports up to 1080i but doesn't have HDMI so, as far as I know, it won't work with either of the formats.
You don't need HDMI. You can get the players to output 1080i thru component and get picture quality that's better than broadcast HD or upconverted DVD's.
"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
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24. January 2007 @ 13:07 |
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The reason I want Blu-ray to win is the fact it's just better in that it holds more info. Gamers can put more on a Blu-ray and make worlds we never have seen before.
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24. January 2007 @ 13:12 |
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all depends on the coding. it's not the space on the disc that sets a limit on data as much as it is the efficiency of the encoding.
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24. January 2007 @ 13:20 |
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Yeah good coding is good but still you can put more of that better coding on a Blu-ray then you can a hd dvd.
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24. January 2007 @ 13:23 |
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not if the hardware for better coding is supported by HD-DVD and not by Blu-ray (as the current situation lays it). example: mpeg4 vs. mpeg2. mpeg4 is far superior to mpeg2, yet the obsolete format is still used on Blu-ray movies and thus requires far more space for the same visual and audio quality.
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24. January 2007 @ 14:07 |
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the little that is true in that video is surpassed by HD-DVD.
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25. January 2007 @ 16:29 |
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Originally posted by CrisKahn2:
wow... like i said b4 unless games come out on hd dvds then ppl should stop comparing them to bluray in the console forum. so stop saying bluray is unecessary on the ps3 when its the most important cuz games are bluray...hd dvds on the 360 is pointless cuz games arent on them.
You do know that some are dont you?
umm no actually i dont think that there are any 360 games that are on HD DVD. Cuz then you would have to buy the $200 HD DVD add-on.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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25. January 2007 @ 16:34 |
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You're right... there aren't any on hd dvd.
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I know i am posting this really late but this topic is killing me.
beta vs vhs had nothing to do with porn.
sony refused to share technology and therefore vhs came out to compete. beta was a better format.
blu ray vs HD DVD has nothing to do with porn.
sony learned a valuble lesson by not sharing tech.
sony has shared technology and therefore the better format will win.
blu ray is still in the first gen era, give it a break. and i havent seen anyone talk about the fact that it does more than just mpeg2 and mpeg4.....VC-1 which is a much higer standard. the movies done with this codec are by far cleaner and much more impressive than HD DVD.... HD DVD has something to offer also: a way to enjoy hd movies to the low end user.
and with more capacity, comes more ability. Give game makers and movie producers more room to work and things will naturally get better.
to company and system haters.....seriously its all about choice.
microsoft: windows ME.....horrible
360: good system but alot of limitations
xbox: awesome system good support and well made.
sega: 16bit genesis awesome.....other systems horrible
(dream cast..so close...lack of support)
nintedo: 64 below average....gameboy: awesome....gameboy Pocket: repeat.... Gameboy color: awesome....gameboy advance: descent but light issues. gameboy SP: very well done
and so on.
gamecube: just a bandaid
sony: ps1, ps2, proven supported and very well done systems. ps3 (unproven)
good and bad with any company
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BobbyBlu
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7. February 2007 @ 17:08 |
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LOL...i just caught this but i don't work for Sony but there are alot of Sony basher out there but the reason for bashing Sony isn't valid just all hot air.People hate it when your on top like Sony is so they find reason to hate you.But i'm not going to let people bash Sony or any company when there are just saying it because they have a personal hate for them.Most of the well informed people on this site i've seen don't have a problem with them just the misimformed & the one that follow the misinformed.
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12. February 2007 @ 10:07 |
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First, keep in mind I enjoy Sony products, and I hope Blu-ray comes out on top.
That said, lets look at failed Sony formats:
Betamax
Mini-Disc
SDDS (still used in theaters, dead in home market)
Multi-Media Compact Disc
Memory Stick
Super Audio CD (I really liked this one too)
And what am I expecting with Blu-ray??
Lets see. PS3 can still be found on shelves everywhere.
The PS2 helped bring DVD to the mass market....just like the 360 is bringing HD-DVD to the mass market, even if it is through an upgrade. (by the way, the 360 HD-DVD player works on PCs as well)
The Porn industry reports DVD sales of over 3.6 Billion, just in the US Market. Sony says:
"in keeping with a longstanding policy, it would not mass-produce pornographic videos on behalf of the movie makers."
Which forces the Porn market to go HD-DVD, or find another company who *will* press porn on Blu-ray.
Add to all this, it looks like the HD-DVD copy protection has been busted wider then the Sony...means the pirates are even going to hop on the easer to hack formart.
As I said, I love Sony, and from what I've seen I like the Blu-ray experience better (but it's difficult to find a true Apples to Apples comparison), I feel that HD is going to win.
Just my thoughts...
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12. February 2007 @ 18:13 |
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Is there a big difference from VC-1 and mpeg4?? I have used both and have noticed absolutely no difference. Both can handle low bitrates very well and give what appears to be identical picture quality at a given bitrate. Also, don't both Blu-ray and HD DVD support the same video codecs??
As for the dispute about size, HD DVD has recently increased the size of its layers to 17GB and they are planning to release triple layer discs which would be 51GB (They would actually require a different HD DVD Player for those 3 layer discs though) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/15/tosh_touts_51gb_hddvd/. Both have the same potential on cramming stuff on discs. No movie will use up more than 25GB of space regardless because of the bitrate ceiling. The rest would be for extras.
I think both are pretty much the same, just Sony has slightly tighter DRM. The PS3 is the only thing I see giving Blu-ray the edge. There are about 1,000,000 of these sold compared to roughly 175,000 HD DVD players (xbox add-on included).
There is rumored to be a $200 player for HD DVD to be released some time this year, but who knows if this is for sure.
If the PS3 does actually make people buy BD movies, then Blu-ray does have a good chance to overtake HD DVD. HD DVDs advantage is Porn and the lower price of the player.
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12. February 2007 @ 18:18 |
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Don't forget the HD media is cheaper to produce as well.
Though that remains to be seen with 3 layer HD.
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