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Good news blue-ray is going to win the war.
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mjp_80
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13. February 2007 @ 07:35 |
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The War is Over. Blu-ray has won, and deep down we all know it
Blu-ray is stomping HD-DVD in sales and movies and STILL has all the CE and studio support advantage it has enjoyed since the beginning. It's over. The war is over. Blu-ray won and all we have to do is wait for HD-DVD to CONTINUE to die. And deep down we all know it.
Blu-ray is winning in absolutely everything and has no signs of slowing down. And it is winning with everything that counts. Capacity, bandwidth, number of movies, number of studios, numbers of players to choose from, copy protection with new methods yet to be implemented while HD-DVD is stuck, disc reliability with owners of both formats reporting Blu-ray is much more reliable, Blu-ray discs are on average CHEAPER because of no combos, and now Blu-ray has a very clear lead in SALES. I mean what else left is there? We've been hearing for months how "studios will just follow the money" but notice you don't hear that coming from the other side anymore.
What's funny if you look back, the HD-DVD camp has been wrong about just about everything. Hindsight is 20-20..There is nothing really left to argue over. arguments have turned to p0 rn ography and Shinco players with no price or release dates.
It's amazing how BD proved all these arguments wrong.
Remember BD-50's were just science fiction and would never come out? BD-50's were "inherently flawed." Then they did come out.
Then BD-50's were too expensive and wouldn't be common. They were inherently flawed to always be expensive and rare and "not needed." Why? Because the side arguing didn't have the capacity. Then they became more common.
Then MPEG-2 and BD-25 could not reproduce great quality--it was inherently flawed. Then MI:III came out.
Then BD players were all "twice the price of HD-DVD" because they were "all" $1000. And none of these people ever insinuated that these prices would go down--this was an inherent flaw to BD. Then the Sammy dropped to $599 on Amazon and the PS3 was released.
Then the Xbox 360 add-on would "neutralize" the PS3. It did not.
Then MS would announce an HD-DVD drive "built in" to neutralize the PS3. Then they denied that this was ever in the plans.
Then Triple Layer discs (which many recall were announced LAST year) were going to "neutralize the BD capacity advantage." But they never saw the light of day, and are STILL vaporware.
Then Blu-ray's were "vulnerable" to scratches, much moreso than HD-DVD, and they were inherently flawed for rental companies. But then people on here began to realise that it is HD-DVD that is much more vulnerable to scratches and Blu-ray discs were MUCH more reliable. A poll found only 3.7% of Blu-ray owners had a problem playing a rental while 25% of HD-DVD owners did. And guys at other sites who were once hardcore HD-DVD fans who blasted Blu-ray every chance they got last summer, admitted that Blu-ray discs are much more reliable to own and much more resistant to scratches than HD-DVD's. And now these guys are Blu-ray fans! So that argument went away too.
Then the PS3 was released and the "poor sales" proved it would have no effect on Blu-ray. Then it went on to outsell the 360 comparatively at it's launch and now Blu-ray is clearly ahead in sales.
Since at this time of the PS3 launch the HD-DVD fan still had sales arguments on their side, then the arguments were that "studios would follow the money" so it isn't an idiotic decision to support a format that has only 3 major studios releasing content on it, because it was "just a matter of time" before studios would "see the light." Never happened. Still only 3 major studios releasing content on a format that is still basically just Toshiba and an optional video game console add-on, with still only one exclusive studio who seems uninterested in fully supporting the format with "100" mystery titles to be release sometime this year, 90% of which will be on combo! THAT is HD-DVD. And oh, about those sales arguments, well Blu-ray is now outselling HD-DVD so obviously we don't hear the "follow the money" slogan anymore. Notice that? The hope is now in cheap p0 rn and Chinese junk players--and oh, in case you forgot, these players don't have any announced prices or release dates, just like the movies.
After the PS3 arguments the goalposts were switched to CES. CES was going to be big for HD-DVD with new studios going neutral for them and new big name CE companies coming on board. They knew they needed some major CE support and at least one studio going neutral, and this hope was so great that there were literally posters PROMISING people that at least one Blu-ray studio would go neutral at CES. Didn't happen. And as far as CE all they got was some junk names like Shinco not one of them has ever owned, and a bunch of "mystery movies" with no release dates. And oh, don't forget that giant lump of coal from Universal.
These arguments all turned out to be wrong.
And now that it has turned out that things are not better for HD-DVD now but FAR FAR WORSE, with all the problems they had before but now they have to contend with a better selling Blu-ray who has more movies coming out every week in February than HD-DVD has for the entire month, and you have a situation where there is no real reason to get into arguments anymore on here regarding a "war" because there is no war--we should all admit that, deep down, we all know that Blu-ray has won. It has won with capacity, bandwidth, scratch resistance and reliability for our archives, studios, player choices, more MOVIES, and now clearly BETTER SALES. There is no war anymore. And deep down we all know it and should move on and just get Universal to go neutral so we can come together and focus on the MOVIES.
It WAS fun while it lasted. There sure were some heated debates .
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mjp_80
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13. February 2007 @ 07:45 |
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Originally posted by LRaven:
Don't forget the HD media is cheaper to produce as well.
Though that remains to be seen with 3 layer HD.
Blu-ray vs HD DVD Replication Costs Revealed
$2.25 $0.045 per GB for Blu-ray DL (50GB)
$1.59 $0.064 per GB for Blu-ray SL (25GB)
$1.69 $0.056 per GB for HD DVD DL (30GB)
$1.45 $0.097 per GB for HD DVD SL (15GB)
"Looking at these numbers and pricing information, we can now dispell the
myth that Blu-ray replication is significantly more costly than HD DVD."
http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-...osts-revealed/
Since Japan will more or less use BDs exclusively and the PS3 will use BDs as well, there will be far more BDs produced which should affect the replicating costs even more. I guess that blows that out of the water. Nice try though
The Departed Blu-ray MSRP $34.99
The Departed HD DVD MSRP $39.99
Eh? Probably all SONY's fault.
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Code:
HD DVD PQ SQ TOTAL _Blu-ray PQ SQ TOTAL
HighDef 3.91 3.68 3.80 _HighDef 3.94 3.87 3.91
HTSpot 4.02 3.90 3.96 _HTSpot 3.85 4.23 4.04
DVDTalk 3.65 3.50 3.57 _DVDTalk 3.51 3.67 3.59
HTForum 4.13 3.66 3.90 _HTForum 4.18 4.04 4.11
UpDisc 4.03 3.87 3.95 _UpDisc 4.00 4.20 4.10
Totals 3.89 3.71 3.80 _Totals 3.81 3.96 3.89
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13. February 2007 @ 11:52 |
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I KNOW THIS HAD NOTHING to do with the topic...but i had to :)
hahahaha this is just a JOKE i had to make it in response to bobbyblues sig lol its a joke do not take what i made serouis hahahah
and as for blueray winnign i dont think it will! HD-DVD is cheaper! :) just my thought though...
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. February 2007 @ 11:55
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13. February 2007 @ 12:11 |
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Anyway, everybody knows that this years Blu-ray is gonna be Red-ray, and what about HD DVD? Bad marketing, the aren't enough repeated letters in the name to be catchy. So its being replaced with HHD DVVDD BVD.
Haha sorry, I had to put that in there. Its from the Red vs Blue Public Service Announcement titled Go Go Gadget Video.
Peace
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Qbidiot
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15. February 2007 @ 11:41 |
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What is HD's arguement? From what I've read, Bluray is the better product all around....
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15. February 2007 @ 14:38 |
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This thread has become completely and totally asinine. Everyone already has their mind made up which format they'll be a slut for and this thread reminds me of a cage full of monkeys throwing poop at each other - everyone gets covered in crap with nothing useful being accomplished. Closed.
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