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dv in/out issue on Pioneer 5100 HS dvd recorder
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mijacmad
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22. January 2004 @ 06:08 |
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Right The clip I just captured with the first way of connection to the PC via ADVC100 - 2 minute AVI - using pinnacle studio 8 - I went to 'make a movie' - created 'tape' & the footage just played back direct from the PC VIA 6 pin firewire to the DV input of the 5100 no problem as if was a camcorder connection.
So thats another way it's working - i know this doesnt help with your problem tho Chris ...
So means Wont accept ingoing via firewire to PC but will accept outgoing from firewire PC to 5100 DV port
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studioman
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22. January 2004 @ 06:25 |
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OK I think I'm going mad here.
Are you saying that you have a dv input signal from your PC firewire card that the 5100 accepts?? Yes/No?
If Yes - then it MAY be the answer to my problem.
What I need to know is whether you have tried a firewire input to the Pioneer 5100 that DID NOT work - i.e. before you got the ADVC device.
Someone help me out here - just when I thought we were all singing from the same sheet - it gets more konfuzing.........
1. What signal did your Pioneer NOT accept when you bought it?
2. Have you now got the Pioneer 5100 to recognise the dv signal and record from the ADVC?
Chris
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mijacmad
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22. January 2004 @ 06:39 |
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Are you saying that you have a dv input signal from your PC firewire card that the 5100 accepts?? Yes/No?
Yes .... I just connected the 5100 direct with a firewire cable (no ADVC100 inbetween) from its front DV port - direct to my PC's firewire port - played a video on my PC and the 5100 accepted it through it's DV in socket and played back on the TV (on the DV input)
1. What signal did your Pioneer NOT accept when you bought it?
The signal I was enquiring originally about was when I bought the unit and I was trying to do direct DV out from 5100 into my PC firewire card - still no connection through this way - only able to connect to pc this way via svideo out (5100) to advc100/ advc100 DV to firewire card in PC.
2. Have you now got the Pioneer 5100 to recognise the dv signal and record from the ADVC?
I have only used the direct pc firewire to 5100 DV & recorded onto the 5100 via Dv this way.
Feel like throwing this 5100 across the room just now LOL.
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mijacmad
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22. January 2004 @ 07:08 |
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Is anyone able to go directly from the 5100 firewire out to their firewire card in on the PC?
Coz this is the only problem Im having - I know the 5100 DV outputs to another dvd recorder and camcorders - so possibly its the firewire card on my PC or the sotware im using to capture ?????
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studioman
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22. January 2004 @ 08:01 |
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This is even worse than I thought!
My Pioneer 5100 gives great dv out to my edit system via firewire.
BUT it won't accept the same dv input FROM my edit system
Yours is the EXACT opposite!!!
What edit card/capture card are you using?? Mijacmad
cheers Chris
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mijacmad
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22. January 2004 @ 08:08 |
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I am using my soundcard audigy creative labs with firewire in & out to capture using Pinnacle studio 8 software - this card gives great picture out to the 5100 DV but a black screen & no sound going in. I did use another standard Firewire card which is installed also and also got nothing on that & another standard firewire card on my other PC didnt pick anything up.
Funnily enough when I first tried getting a picture - on the 2 pc's I have networked it picked a really badly distorted picture up on the pc the firewire cable wasnt connected too weird!!
What Firewire card do you use and software to get footage onto your pc via the dv out on 5100?
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studioman
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22. January 2004 @ 08:51 |
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MIJAC - it's all in my opening post - RexRT Pro card by Canopus...................
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mijacmad
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22. January 2004 @ 09:00 |
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I think someone as pioneer is having a laugh - putting dv out and dv in only sockets in diffrent players lol.
Sorry I looked at rexRT and thought it was a signal converter thing, I'll read again.
Funny I just tried outputting to 5100 from standard firewire port and nothing & then plugged back into audigy and there's perfect picture!!
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rakuco1
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23. January 2004 @ 00:19 |
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Hello You both,
today in the evening I will have a look inside my PC´s and try to get knowledge about chipsets, manufacturer and driver of my firewire-cards. I will tell You most exact I can.
Further I will definitely go to a shop and buy an Audigy. I have state-of-the-art soundgear (RME) inside my audio-PC, so I have a little knowlegde about Creative Soundcards in my memory. And this says, that firewire is implemented in these cards on a "alternative" way - by example, it is said it´s not to use for firewire networking...
mijacmad, please would You be so kind to tell us the model type no. of Your Audigy - my elder sblive´s have specific CT-xxxx or CL-xxxx-numbers.
THANXTHANXTHANXyoursRalf
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mijacmad
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23. January 2004 @ 00:51 |
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rakuco1
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23. January 2004 @ 02:20 |
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Hello mijacmad,
thanks again. 6.1 will possibly help me to choose. I could get Audigy "ZS", "1394", "Player" from 40 to 80 Euro bucks with fw. So it would be very helpful to know this specific model type number situated on the soundcard itself - as they are situated on my soundblasters. If not available - I will try such card in every case.
Today in the evening I look after my firewire gear. I report it to You. I will test the DV output situation of 5100 and tell result to You.
Greetings
Yours Ralf
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mijacmad
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23. January 2004 @ 02:31 |
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Thanks Ralf much appreciated!!
the soundblaster card is the exact one in the links that I posted also!!!
Please check direct connection from your DVR5100 to your Firewire card into the the PC to capture Footage onto your hard-drive from the HDD or DVD in the 5100 as this is what I primarly want to use it for - it was just luck that I got footage into the 5100 via firewire, when infact I never use this feature .
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studioman
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23. January 2004 @ 02:56 |
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Ralf and mijac - appreciate your posts but I started this thread to see if anyone can get a dv signal INTO the 5100 from a dv card or an edit card??
So back to plan A - Can anyone do this yet??
cheers Chris
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mijacmad
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23. January 2004 @ 03:08 |
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LOL
I thought we'd covered that?
I got a picture/sound signal from my Audigy 2 6.1 soundblaster card (6 pin firewire) which has firewire, straight into the 5100 dv input (4 pin firewire).
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rakuco1
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23. January 2004 @ 03:11 |
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High mic,
the audigy 2 is marketed as 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, es, ls, zs, 1394, player, and all possible mixes (plus platinum...), and they look all the same on photos. mtnumber begins with SBxxxx ...
I will give report to You i.b. dv-out. Me vice versa have not used this feature till now but decided to buy the 5100 because this might be a positive difference to the Pana recorders one day. One day You might tell me what quality comes out. I imagine one gets a signal in DV/AVI that was originally mpeg2, isn´t it a very big loss of quality??
Thanks Yours Ralf
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mijacmad
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23. January 2004 @ 03:17 |
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Well my soundblaster Audigy 2 card is just the standard Audigy 2 6.1 (not platinum etc)
As for the Mpeg2 to dv/avi - the loss is not noticable - Ive been doing this for the last 2 years on a pioneer DVR7000. See I capture footage to the Pioneer DVR's (From VHS/DVD/Laserdisc/Satelite box) then transfer to PC just to make DVD's with menus of rare concert footage etc - not to transfer from the PC to the recorder.
So my primary use is to just get footage off the 5100 to a firewire connection in my pc.
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rakuco1
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23. January 2004 @ 03:27 |
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Dear Chris,
we both have indeed the same problem.
Getting DV out of the PC and getting this stuff into that beasty 5100.
My firewire-camcorder-kladderaddatsch (dictionary!) works under Studio8. Why don´t You test this? No PC with ordinary fw-card in the neighbourhood?
I will definitely test mijacmads suggestion. If working, You should be able to use this too in connection to Studio8 - sorry, this is the only software suitable for that of the software I own. Is this a problem to get Your ready video material in Studio8?
If not working, my kids get a brandnew audigy as a gift to make podracer noise...
Till soon
Yours
Ralf
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rakuco1
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23. January 2004 @ 12:51 |
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And the winner is...
my kids.
Sorry. The Audigies available here with 1394 are Audigy2 ZS. 1394-function seems to implemented rather more "in specifications" than before - no Cl driver anymore for XP, OHCI-conform is used and not changeable at all. Also the video-device in XP´s device manager I cannot change, it´s always "AVC-conform tape recorder". Yes, I get out a video signal from Studio8 via fw-cards I own to 5100, but 5100 allows no recording because "no camcorder present". SO I keep the need of help from my camcorder in the near future.
majacmad, do You use any different 1394-driver for the Audigy? Do You see any different video-device in the device-manager?
Sorry, m, from 5100 to PC/Studio8 I also can not report any effort. "Best", but with distorted picture, comes a poor signal through Audigy´s slot, all other slots (one pci-card brandless, TI-chips, OHCI- or TI-OHCI- or Sony-OHCI-conform drivers; second PCMCIA-card NEC-based chipset, NEC-OHCI- or OHCI-drivers; third built-in-slot of Toshiba Satellite notebook. OHCI-conform driver): no picture, frustrating.
Chris, at the moment I have no fresh ideas. Nor have I an imagination of any systematic path to follow. Seems, that any efforts till now have been a result of chance.
Perhaps I take a little timeout to relax and think.
If anything nice happens, I will be back.
Cheerio, Yours
Ralf
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mijacmad
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23. January 2004 @ 14:08 |
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The driver I have for my Audigy 2 6.1 standard is most up2date 5.12.1.38.3
Strange that it's not working for output mine is crystal clear!! But mine's not a ZS just a standard model.
My PC reports AVC Compliant DV Tape recorder/Player #4 on turning the 5100 on through the Soundblasters firewire.
Oh how frustrating about no picture out aswell - I know Chris said he was using a RexRT Pro card but that's vey expensive a chance to take if it doesnt work - was hoping yours would maybe work :(
Maybe will have to try on a cheaper Canopus card to see if works ...
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rakuco1
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24. January 2004 @ 00:42 |
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Hello,
once again I have to write my reply third time because the forum´s software might have a bug in recognizing a login.
mijacmad - via audigy2, are You able to record to 5100? or do You see only pictures but "no camcorder present" as I do?
My point is that firewire gear might be secondary.
5100 does only record if any camcorder answers to the 5100 control signals. So we need any software which emulates a camcorders answers parallel to the working cutting software.
mijacmad: what software from CL do You have running in the background? I have installed only necessary drivers because CL software never was satifying to me (try APSLive for a SBLive and You know what I mean).
Chris, You are a video professional. Any idea about a small piece of software which can emulate any camcorder´s reactions?
Any idea, how to change the AVC-dingens-device in XP´s device manager to a more camcorder-like thing? Perhps any driver should be renamed for help???
Thanks and greetings Yours Ralf
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mijacmad
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24. January 2004 @ 00:50 |
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Hi
Yes I am able to record the picture & audio signal received via the SB Audigy & I run no background CL software while doing this as far as Im aware - I just connect via studio 8 and do the make tape command as you explained to me and it sends the signal through when I play it - though have to wait for the signal to initialise through the 5100 before it allows to record.
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rakuco1
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24. January 2004 @ 01:14 |
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Magic. I wish to be able too.
Will do my very best.
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studioman
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24. January 2004 @ 02:20 |
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Ralf - my hair is falling out here!
Of course I don't know of any software that emulates a camcorder's control signal otherwise I wouldn't have started this thread - I am asking if anyone DOES have this sort of thing as Pioneer couldn't care less whether the 5100 works with my RexRT Pro or not.
Sorry but I have no solutions only questions regarding this device.
chris
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rakuco1
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24. January 2004 @ 02:32 |
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U2,
I am a huge step further.
I used standard firewire-pci-card as shown, XP standars as before. One slot connected to SonyD8-camcorder, which is set to "play(VCR)"-mode. Other slot connected to 5100 which is set to "DV" as the program.
I started Studio8 as before and told it "make a movie"/"create a tape". Movie started and was to seen on my TV screen without any overlaying menues.
Then I did not start the DV-recording-menu of 5100 as always before. I just pressed the "TV DIRECT COPY"-button on the 5100´s remote controller - and message appeared on TV screen that 5100 does record now.
Could not believe but true in fact (my happiest face etc.).
So: the 5100 needs contact to a camcorder with this combination as before. But does not start the camcoder when recording - so camcorder will not wear out for this manner.
Chris, try in this direction, hope You get finally the bewished effort.
majacmad, thank You for Your hints - without I would never ... and so on. Thank You.
m, with both the camcorder and the 5100 connected to one fw-card, I get the movie right out to camcorder too. But not inside Studio8. Don´t know why. But I will continue trying with other software and give report when signs of effort will appear. I stay interested in this function too.
Again, the discussion with all up and down has helped me so much - great with You both.
Keep on moving -
Yours
Ralf
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studioman
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24. January 2004 @ 03:16 |
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Ralf - thanks for update.
I still do not know whether a firewire card would assist me as my signal must come from the RexRT Pro or else how would I get my video out to the 5100 - the video would not pass through the OHCI firewire card even if I got one - would it?
Unless you know of a PCI firewire card that has 2 dv ports I could maybe then loop the signal in/out of that card and see if it works??
cheers Chris
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