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Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 25 June, 2008
Last November we reported that Gene Simmons, founding member of the rock group KISS, had gone off on Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and college aged pirates, going as far as to call Radiohead "idiots" and saying "Every little college kid ... should have been sued off the face of the earth," for their unauthorized downloading of course.
He has followed his last tirade with some new comments, ... [ read the full article ]
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25. June 2008 @ 19:35 |
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Sorry Gene...is KISS still selling records.
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25. June 2008 @ 19:39 |
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Not "is", but "was"
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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25. June 2008 @ 19:43 |
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My grammatical error.
Apologies. :D
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Run4two
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25. June 2008 @ 20:03 |
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I was stupid enough to buy KISS albums back in 1976-1977. I bought Destroyer, Kiss Alive, Love Gun, and Kiss alive II. I was only 12 and really should have known better, but I didn't. Now I do. I can't believe anyone would download their crap. People only want quality! KISS is far far from that!
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25. June 2008 @ 20:05 |
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First off Gene Simmons isn't in the music business. The music business is about making music. That means writing songs and performing. For the most part he does neither. I don't have anything against him making money but I don't feel compelled to pay him for work he did decades ago, and I don't owe him any money for marketing himself on so-called reality TV.
The labels aren't in the music business either. They're in the distribution business and there's no money in distribution.
The music business, on the other hand, is thriving. Live music and band merchandise are going through the roof. Last time I checked the bands were the music business. If they're doing well the music business is too. Period.
The bigger problem here is the whole idea of mandated royalties. In any other market consumers get to tell you what the minimum value for your product is. If they tell you they won't pay anything for it that means it's worth nothing. In the government mandated royalty world of the music industry when consumers say it's worth nothing they get sued because the government says they're wrong. If Gene Simmons makes something people consider worth paying for they will.
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joe777
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25. June 2008 @ 20:06 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
Not "is", but "was"
Like a, "HAS BEEN" but more like "HAS NEVER BEEN"
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joe777
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25. June 2008 @ 20:11 |
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Originally posted by Run4two:
I was stupid enough to buy KISS albums back in 1976-1977!
Glad I'm not the only oldie around!!Lol
And dont say "speak for yourself joey!!!!!"
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26. June 2008 @ 01:02 |
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musicians should be stoked to go in front of an audience and preform...i believe that is what they like to do??? produce music and hope people love their music....and sure hell if your music is good then people will go to the concert and pay the big $$$ to see you.....i wonder how much the labels are still making off john Lennon's tracks???
we'll he certainly isn't getting his fair share.....i hope Gene gets robbed by the label's when he dies LOL...not really i couldn't stand seeing his beautiful 18 year old wife cry LOL (i know shes like 50...)
-tripplite
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26. June 2008 @ 01:02 |
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Just leave him alone. In another couple of years he will be "peddling" Depends underpants on the "lifetime" channel. He is showing early signs of "dementia" cause from too much "drug partying" back in the 70s. The bottom line it's all "publicity" to keep his name in the forefront for his "R-E-A-L-I-T-Y" show. Publicity good or bad is always good for business. What "real" man is going to get cosmetic surgery, that's mainly for women.
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26. June 2008 @ 01:09 |
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Are this old pointless greedy git and that poisonous fan hating midget related by any chance?
A$$hat, the artist formerly known as "what the f---?" is really the bastard son?? of Gene Simmonds.. probably Shergar was his mother.. That would explain the smell.
Anyway.. I thought Jean Simmonds was an actress from the 40's and 50's.. Just shows what those chemicals in the water can do.........
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26. June 2008 @ 01:32 |
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Let's see. For Kiss, signing up with one of the big four labels was optional. Now, I understand artists get paid very little per CD sold, it's about $4.00 per CD, and that's only for top rated artists, like Metallica for instance. If these top rated artists had chosen to produce and distribute their own material, without getting any of the big four labels involved, they would be able to sell their albums for a lot less, let's say $6.00 tops.
And that my friends is the only thing that defeats piracy, competitive pricing. The price needs to be low enough (and fair enough) so that looking for a source to download it illegally won't be worth my time, and not the standard $15.99 rip off price you pay retailers.
The message to Gene Simmons should be "get all the f'n middlemen out of the picture," and you'll be competitive again. Also, it wouldn't hurt that you start making some more music, or teach others what you know about music, but please don't expect to live forever from past works, don't be so lazy.
I don't encourage people to illegally download copyrighted works, but you can bet your @$$ I won't be paying $15.99 for nobody's album, not even my favorite band's albums (that would be Rush); as a matter of fact I haven't bought any music since the RIAA started all this bull... of suing their own customers. Count me back in when things change for the better. Wake up! You must realize your association with the RIAA is only hurting you, the musician.
He dicho.
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26. June 2008 @ 01:40 |
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This guy's an attention whore. We should just ignore him and let this thread die. What do you say to people you don't like? Nothing!!!
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26. June 2008 @ 01:54 |
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Not sure where you get your figures.. there is no way an artist gets $4 per CD.. if they are lucky they get 40cents!!.. more likely about 10. They make the money from airplay and tours/merchandise... and the riaa are ripping them off for the airplay royalties too.
there was a time back in the dim and distant past when the function of the riaa was to ensure that the artists got a fair cut from the record labels.. now it seems they exist to ensure the record labels do as they please while everybody else wonders where the millions actually go.
Of course there is still a problem.. unless you join you will never ever get a deal off the majors.. which means you won't get the airtime and probably will have a hard time getting your independent product into the cartel owned high street music stores and amazon etc.
This is where the internet comes in, and bands like radiohead, nin et al giving it away and asking for a donation if you can afford and feel generous. Obviously the "heads stuck where the sun don't shine" brigade like simmonds and the riaa don't get it.. For the riaa it means unemployment, and for people like simmonds it means having to get off his fat rich ass and get some product out to his dwindling number of fans...(has anybody ever heard his couple of dismal solo singles... don't..please don't.. they will scar you for life) who would probably give him the finger now anyway. Since when has rock music been "pro establishment, pro suit"? hahahaha.. talk about opening your gob and shooting yourself well and truly between the eyes. I thought most countries had laws to protect workers in an industry from being excluded or victimised if they refused to join a trade organisation.. that's what the riaa is.. a trade organisation, and if you are signed to a major label a compulsory one at that... hmmmmmmm.. is the "closed shop" legal in the USA?
It's years since I saw a penny in performers royalties.. and I don't expect to ever see any more unless I get off my ass and make some more music too.
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Molinari
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26. June 2008 @ 06:33 |
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Maybe they should outlaw the radio too, I hear people listen for free!
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26. June 2008 @ 10:05 |
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Originally posted by Molinari:
Maybe they should outlaw the radio too, I hear people listen for free!
LoL
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ikari
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26. June 2008 @ 10:39 |
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Originally posted by Icanbe:
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Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
What about yourself?
Wouldn't you like to make as much money as you can? If not, then why haven't you taken a vow of poverty if a decent living isn't your motive? Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. No one should EVER be criticized for wanting to make more money, or feel one ounce of guilt for trying to do so.
There's a big diffrence between making a decent living and excess, When you have more money than you will ever need to live a decent life, Then your just greedy.
Define a decent life. It is different for everyone. Also, just because some people have lots of money does not mean they are greedy.
These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.
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26. June 2008 @ 10:40 |
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Originally posted by jony218:
Just leave him alone. In another couple of years he will be "peddling" Depends underpants on the "lifetime" channel. He is showing early signs of "dementia" cause from too much "drug partying" back in the 70s. The bottom line it's all "publicity" to keep his name in the forefront for his "R-E-A-L-I-T-Y" show. Publicity good or bad is always good for business. What "real" man is going to get cosmetic surgery, that's mainly for women.
LMFAO - classic!
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26. June 2008 @ 10:43 |
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well lets start with " Gene Kiss My A%$" the new title of the Fans book who paid for for all that you own if it wasnt for the bands first album they wouldn't have made it at all, now 30 years latter he's got the nerve to tell his fans that they are the reason for the collapse of the music industry, hes a bigger fool then egomaniac. the reason the old model dosnt work is because instead of paying $18.00 for an alblum we can now pay for the one or two songs on the whole cd, its a joke to think we want to spend our money on 12 songs just because they make good filler on an album to get 2 that might be worth hearing . oh my god ( and Gene your not it) its been a long time since we as consumers have had the choice to download even back off the radio to cassette we had a choice now its the internet's fault....Maybe we can look at it like this if its worth paying for people will maybe they need to offer us something like ok heres a free song and if you buy the cd we will offer you a break on your next one that you like from our label ... because that would only create label loyality. then if they hold their artist to create better work then you might have us back to take our money if not then you'll fall to side like the bands from yesterday .... also sorry about the long rant....
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26. June 2008 @ 10:45 |
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well lets start with " Gene Kiss My A%$" the new title of the Fans book who paid for for all that you own if it wasnt for the bands first album they wouldn't have made it at all, now 30 years latter he's got the nerve to tell his fans that they are the reason for the collapse of the music industry, hes a bigger fool then egomaniac. the reason the old model dosnt work is because instead of paying $18.00 for an alblum we can now pay for the one or two songs on the whole cd, its a joke to think we want to spend our money on 12 songs just because they make good filler on an album to get 2 that might be worth hearing . oh my god ( and Gene your not it) its been a long time since we as consumers have had the choice to download even back off the radio to cassette we had a choice now its the internet's fault....Maybe we can look at it like this if its worth paying for people will maybe they need to offer us something like ok heres a free song and if you buy the cd we will offer you a break on your next one that you like from our label ... because that would only create label loyality. then if they hold their artist to create better work then you might have us back to take our money if not then you'll fall to side like the bands from yesterday .... also sorry about the long rant....
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26. June 2008 @ 10:54 |
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Originally posted by ikari:
Originally posted by Icanbe:
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Originally posted by Icanbe:
He only cares about how much he can make, He dosen't care about music, Maybe we can pay him to shut the hell up.
Greedy, selfish, egomanic.
What about yourself?
Wouldn't you like to make as much money as you can? If not, then why haven't you taken a vow of poverty if a decent living isn't your motive? Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. No one should EVER be criticized for wanting to make more money, or feel one ounce of guilt for trying to do so.
There's a big diffrence between making a decent living and excess, When you have more money than you will ever need to live a decent life, Then your just greedy.
Define a decent life. It is different for everyone. Also, just because some people have lots of money does not mean they are greedy.
Whatever dude, Gene Simmons is a jack ass. I mean, look at what this article is about - I bet you missed that tid bit!
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Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry
Hmm, sounds pretty radical to me. The music industry was already on it's way out the door, these guys didn't do it all by themselves. With the way the record companies and RIAA treat people, plus half the garbage that comes out these days, it was destined to happen.
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26. June 2008 @ 11:42 |
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wow gene simmons really does fit into that whole stereotypical jew thing, yes he is jewish, and no im not racist just pointing at the fact that jews have always been joked about as been money grabbers in gene simmons case this is true.
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26. June 2008 @ 11:46 |
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i can not believe gene is on their side. he just wants to wait around for the record industry to do something about it? whos attitude is he trying to change..the fans? i think that NIN was a great experiment and very successful, and if he doesnt upgrade with society, hell just go down with other bands that feel the way he does.
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Molinari
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26. June 2008 @ 11:53 |
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Artists have always gotten ripped off by the companies.
They get the least money out of sales then any other part of the whole process.
Say you sign with a label, you go to a studio and record.
The artist has to pay the money spent on it back to the company, and if lucky get anywhere from 5 to 25 cents a cd...
Any money spent by the label has to be paid back by the artist.
The money to be made by the artist is with live shows and merch.
They should just treat the downloads as promotional, like radio exposure.
Plus I'm old enough to remember buying multiple formats.
Like Van Halen I for instance.
I bought the LP, the the cassette, then the CD, and that was for an album I liked, what about all the other times you heard a song you liked and bought the album and surprise! It was the only good song on it! They used to raise the same stink about playing a whole album on the radio, people might tape it....
As for Mr. Simmons, try a product worth owning, those albums in retrospect are awful..... But back then only a few bands got exposure at all, we're talking like 1975-1980 here.
It was so barren I was starting to listen to Jazz Fusion and classical even.
So it was kind of a shitty music scene.
The only really good thing Simmons has done was to see Van Halen in a bar and get the ball rolling in thier case.
And I actually like his show, it's great seeing his family put him in his place and mock him even as they spend his cash.
I'd be more inclined, at this point to kick NIN a few bucks just out of principal.
And that reminds me of that other asshole Lars from Metallica.
In the early days they would encourage audience taping of thier shows. Now that he never has to work again it's a different story.
Plus he owes me money for buying that album "Load", load of crap it was, I never played it again after the first listen. Same for that last Van Halen album with Gary Cherone.
So tell me who's screwing who?
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26. June 2008 @ 12:01 |
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they havent put out a record because hes to busy selling out and doing reality tv.if they were to put out a record on itunes they would embrace it.downloading is not hurting the industry its crappy music.
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26. June 2008 @ 12:23 |
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Kiss is a "3-chord progression" band wrapped in tin-foil and lipstick. He calls other bands who actually compose complex music a bunch of idiots for thinking outside the box and making more money for themselves. It's a dog-eat-dog world and Gene's lazy, old, dried up self can't keep up anymore. He's such an arrogant pr*ck, who would be the first one to stomp out someone elses flame to get ahead. I guess it hurts when someone else is doing the stomping.
And did he really say that every little college kid should have been sued off the face of the planet? Then who would buy his music? Because old Kiss fans already have his stuff. No serious adult is going to buy a Kiss album for the first time these days. They really are a novelty band these days. Who even knows if it's really them performing anymore behind the glam costumes.
And did he actually call them "little college kids?" That right there shows how over-developed his ego is.
@ikari
Define a decent life? It's different for everyone? A greedy person feels that excess is needed, and therefore their definition of a decent life is excessive and not necessary. Who needs 20 cars and a gold plated toilette? If Gene Simmons actually created music and performed up until now, I wouldn't criticize him. I would feel that he works hard for his $$$ and it's none of my business how he spends it. His greed would be the furthest thing from my mind. But all he does is sit on his a$$ looking for ways to make as much $$$ as he can without lifting a finger. It's one thing if a lazy person can do this and coast by in life, but Gene does it to get rich and accumulate more. And then he complains when his "fans" make him get up from his throne and do more work.
I watched 1 episode of his show and it made me loath him even more as a human being. Egomaniac is the perfect word that someone used to describe.
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