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Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 25 June, 2008
Last November we reported that Gene Simmons, founding member of the rock group KISS, had gone off on Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and college aged pirates, going as far as to call Radiohead "idiots" and saying "Every little college kid ... should have been sued off the face of the earth," for their unauthorized downloading of course.
He has followed his last tirade with some new comments, ... [ read the full article ]
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27. June 2008 @ 22:48 |
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gene simmons is stupid, the music industry is because of lime wire and music share sites, as well as the crap music that is out today like solider boy, lil wayne, and coldplay.
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28. June 2008 @ 00:25 |
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I've enjoyed most of KISS's music back in the seventies and went to several concerts but I always wanted to rip that F*ckn tongue out of his mouth.
I'll never get why a smokin? hot chick like Shannon Tweed would ever go or stay with such an ugly jerk as Gene is. Who can figure that one out.
Although I pretty much new how the industry worked it is really nice to have your post vladimpld thanks much.
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28. June 2008 @ 00:28 |
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Gene Simmons is a dirty freakin sell-out. He gave up music for money and never turned back. Toys, TV specials, commercials, reality shows. He doesn't care about the music industry, he only cares about lining his pockets with gold.
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28. June 2008 @ 01:33 |
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I'll never get why a smokin? hot chick like Shannon Tweed would ever go or stay with such an ugly jerk as Gene is. Who can figure that one out.
Because his tongue is longer than other parts of his anatomy.
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28. June 2008 @ 02:10 |
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Coming from the music industry I have 30 years experience, I've worked for Zomba music as a managing director for 6 years and also for a US ISP: Level3, Bisides that I am a music producer. What I can say is that because of technology markets are changing. When the word processor was invented the typewriter factory had to think of producing something different. Think of all the plug ins in software which replaces all the hardware.
So making music is also much easier then 20 years ago A Madonna remix is made in a day by Timbaland. So it comes again to real handwork if we talk about live performances.
So in fact Gene is just to lazy to go on stage again and not flexible to change his business model. This is a typical psycholioical reaction from a person who lost contact with the generation of today.
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28. June 2008 @ 02:23 |
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Factoids:
Kiss and Kiss Alive were the only Kiss albums worth a 13-year old males lawn mowing money. The rest isn't worth wasting bandwidth on downloads...Free or otherwise.
High minded busines paragons (whose dedication to great music for the world so far has included a cartoon show, lame simultaneous solo albums, the disco Kiss on Casablanca Records, sex memoirs, perfume, and reality television), Kiss is the logical group who Metallica should pass the torch to. As soon as everyone quits laughing I know downloads will be history.
Party On Garth...I'm not worthy!
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28. June 2008 @ 02:37 |
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Nice Vlad Your first lines basically confirmed and was what I was going to post. The fact that they don't make much off their recorded sales. You need to work and tour to make the money. It is really sad that the companies want more as in the schwag and other things. They are runnning scared right now because they did not adapt in the first place. As humans the reason we are here is because we are able to adapt, most have forgotten this part though and survival of the fittest really doesn't mean anything anymore either. It's great the artists that get out there and advertise themselves and try to get it done on their own and I respect that a lot more. I basically quit buying music a few years ago as I picked up about six albums that got rave reviews and only one of the cd's was listenable to me. Got to like being able to try before you buy these days or just stick to the oldies but there is great new stuff out there depending on what you like( almost everything but new country oh yeh and that fluffy techno junk, like the hardcore/industrial though)
I know one of my friends is really into movies and buys quite a few of them. He watches a bunch of bootlegs also but then will tell me he is going to buy it. I would not do it myself as I go about things a different way. Why buy the cow when you can rent it. There are a few groups I would like to spend some cash on to grab some albums but I watch my money closely as I got used to it by having to either pay rent by myself or having roomates that never wanted too. Would love to go through Rolling Stones (the mag) top 100 lists to jog my memory and be able to by the whole lot of what I like.
Never really understood the Kiss thing.
Anyway real nice post Vlad.
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28. June 2008 @ 03:33 |
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Originally posted by MartinDVJ:
Coming from the music industry I have 30 years experience, I've worked for Zomba music as a managing director for 6 years and also for a US ISP: Level3, Bisides that I am a music producer. What I can say is that because of technology markets are changing. When the word processor was invented the typewriter factory had to think of producing something different. Think of all the plug ins in software which replaces all the hardware.
So making music is also much easier then 20 years ago A Madonna remix is made in a day by Timbaland. So it comes again to real handwork if we talk about live performances.
So in fact Gene is just to lazy to go on stage again and not flexible to change his business model. This is a typical psycholioical reaction from a person who lost contact with the generation of today.
After 20 years a lot of artists ran out money, the moneypit dry's out because sales drop and the records are not played anymore so much on the radio. They are addicted to a certain lifestyle and fame begins to fade, they begin to complain about the changin situation. Because they have to do a step back and that is not a pleasant situation, for people with a certain lifestyle.
In the 70's and 80's Technology was very expensive the first drum computer was 20.000 euro's now with this money you have a compleet dolby surround studio in a box, video and audio facilities. But because of this development there are so many artists and so many channels to view that the collective of the experience dissapears.
NOT broadcasting TV and Radio but NARROW casting The Internet is taking over. But do people need the collective experience?? That is the question!!! Football/sucker is a good exapmple to my opinion this is the only PRODUCT at the moment. How pathetic that is, the comman collective should be honesty to eveything what lives on this planet.
The development of technology is so far now that it is talent and creativity again to prove for YOURSELF what you can make of your life. Not depending of buying a reproduction of what you can.
Certainly not the cast of idiots called Kiss. I was made for making money not love.
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28. June 2008 @ 07:31 |
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Gene cannot admit that selling his soul to record companies is becoming a thing of the past, how I see it, the future of music is in the hands of the fans, oh no.
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28. June 2008 @ 10:36 |
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When asked why KISS had not released a new CD since 1998's 'Psycho Circus', Simmons added that "there is no record industry around so we're going to wait until everybody settles down and becomes civilized. As soon as the record industry pops its head up we'll record new material."
This quote says it all. Gene is speaking from a position that sounds like a record label owner or publisher. If Gene is that, then I understand his position, but the whole WORLD is under the impression that Gene/Kiss is an artist. The reason why bands/music industry has grown from its beginnings over the past 100 years is because the artists cared about the music, not the excessive amounts of money. I agree each artist should be paid fairly, I also agree that people should limit themselves on file sharing music. (I stopped downloading illegal copies of music 2 years ago, and now I buy only the music I like)
Do I solely believe the internet changed the music industry? Yes, it is for not only the worse, but for the better. More indie bands can reach audiences across the globe where before they could not.
Music piracy will always exist (it has existed since the beginning of 4 track, probably before that even)
Companies such as Sony and other companies that have ties in technology and music should blame themselves. We didn't invent and distribute CD writeable drives and discs. They did. We did not invent and distribute DVD writeable drives and discs. They did.
If those pieces of technology would not have been released, I'd say piracy would be 1/4 of what it is today.
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28. June 2008 @ 12:54 |
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Companies such as Sony and other companies that have ties in technology and music should blame themselves. We didn't invent and distribute CD writeable drives and discs. They did. We did not invent and distribute DVD writeable drives and discs. They did.
If those pieces of technology would not have been released, I'd say piracy would be 1/4 of what it is today.
then you do not understand the difference between pirates and consumer pirates dont need burners they can buy cd presses, and like you said piracy was around longer than anything, if it can be duplicated piracy will exist, before music pirates would duplicate money.
consumers need such things as burner, i for one loved the invention. when the first burner came out people were like why do we need these.
businesses around the world bought them windows 3.1 was no longer installed by 8 floppys but by one cd. Cd burners changed what we do more than you know, and piracy is the least of it one of them.
Pirates to the RIAA are people who copy copyrighted material,even dead grannies and laser printers can be effected.
types of piracy,
Industrial piracy
An individual or group attempts duplication and distribution on a large scale for profit.
Corporate piracy
Unprotected contents are shared through networks such as peer-to-peer, LAN and Internet.
Reseller piracy
Involves computer hardware companies selling machines with illegal copies of software preloaded on their hard drive.
Home piracy/this is not piracy it is sharing but RIAA dont know better, they've never shared in there life.
Includes everything from trading disks with friends to running a not-for-profit bulletin board for the purpose of illegal software distribution.
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28. June 2008 @ 14:05 |
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28. June 2008 @ 15:13 |
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I would never download hes music ... because it sucks... never like it when it was first out I thought it was stupid then !Okay Gene I've already got all your albums for free from a yard sale they would not sale so I got them out of the garbage can, washed off the beans and cat food and they still suck !
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28. June 2008 @ 15:32 |
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Originally posted by rbrock:
I would never download hes music ... because it sucks... never like it when it was first out I thought it was stupid then !Okay Gene I've already got all your albums for free from a yard sale they would not sale so I got them out of the garbage can, washed off the beans and cat food and they still suck !
Thats the way to get your music without feeding the RIAA and those fatcats. Just buy all your music used. When you buy a new album, the partners of whichever label you bought it from get royalties, just like the artists do. So, how do you stop that you ask? Buy used music.
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28. June 2008 @ 16:12 |
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[b]KISS...[b]
What a crap band they were. My older brother, a genuine hippie, loved them. I could never understand that.
I read in a Cream magazine interview with Bonnie Raitt that she(a real musician), was beat out by Simmons in an audition for KISS simply because he had the "tongue". There's a talent for ya!
Me, I always liked the original Allman Brothers Band, Yes, Jeff Beck, Mayall, Clapton and Humble Pie, because they could play their instruments. The Alice Cooper Group had better showmanship than KISS, if that's what you wanted, and wrote a lot of "thinking man's" lyrics. A smart and funny band.
Simmons is all guile and BS, hasn't changed a bit in 35 years. He needs to take a walk with some lemmings.
His tirade sounds a lot like Vinny Del Vecchio on Advanced Media Network. If your business model is fv(k&d up, blame the fans! Evil downloaders are killing the industry!
Yeah, and Borders is going out of business because they can't sell CDs.
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28. June 2008 @ 16:41 |
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Blow chunks Simmons!
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28. June 2008 @ 21:51 |
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Hmmm.
I have the sneaking suspicion that no new KISS fans will be born from this site...or this article.
Too bad Gene doesn't read this stuff, huh? Not that it would matter much. I doubt he cares about the "little people" too much these days.
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28. June 2008 @ 22:22 |
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All the downloading sure doesnt seem to be hurting his pocket, he lives like an Arab king, got a lot of balls to bitch, and he should thank his swelled head Shannon stays by him, I to do not see what she ever saw in him other than his money and an easy life for her.
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28. June 2008 @ 22:26 |
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I to do not see what she ever saw in him other than his money and an easy life for her.
Don't forget the tongue which may make up where he could be lacking elsewhere.
Just south of those heavy pockets.
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29. June 2008 @ 00:16 |
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Bouya !!! well said
Originally posted by MartinDVJ:
Coming from the music industry I have 30 years experience, I've worked for Zomba music as a managing director for 6 years and also for a US ISP: Level3, Bisides that I am a music producer. What I can say is that because of technology markets are changing. When the word processor was invented the typewriter factory had to think of producing something different. Think of all the plug ins in software which replaces all the hardware.
So making music is also much easier then 20 years ago A Madonna remix is made in a day by Timbaland. So it comes again to real handwork if we talk about live performances.
So in fact Gene is just to lazy to go on stage again and not flexible to change his business model. This is a typical psycholioical reaction from a person who lost contact with the generation of today.
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jwerner
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29. June 2008 @ 02:31 |
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Hendrix: Ad Infinitum
Kiss: Ah, 1998...TFB...
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29. June 2008 @ 03:42 |
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29. June 2008 @ 11:48 |
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It's just a publicity stunt, they haven't had a new cd in years, what does he care if you don't buy his music, he wants to attract people to his show and ad to his reputation for being outspoken, he nows that even in their day, kiss could only move records at concerts, because people didn't like their music until they saw them perform, they stated that on VH1 where are they now, before he got a reality show, and as for Shannon Tweed, well lets face it, mini me has a sex tape out now, just look at TMZ. so i doubt it's the tongue or any other part of his body, oh and lets not forget, before people were downloading music, they were using tape recorders to copy it off the radio, i think it was Margaret chow, who would make fun of it in her stand up gig, back when it only cost them $3 to make a cd but they still charged $15 to $20, and then got sued in a class action suite for price fixing when they exposed themselves by going after circuit city and best buy when they refused to price fix and lowered their prices to kill the mom and pop stores, what a den of thieves and yet so quick to point the finger at everyone else.
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29. June 2008 @ 13:38 |
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I agree with almost every word posted on this issue. I say make music people like and you will make money and you will have fun, too. The old kings of Europe were eliminated and democracy brought in. Let's do the same with the royal music kingdoms.
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29. June 2008 @ 14:52 |
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As so many in the post have so clearly expressed, when it comes to contemporary music marketing, Gene Simmons is a dinosaur. He has become very rich marketing Kiss to the maximal extent possible, but he does need to realize that the model that made him rich isn't going to come back into existence, even if he tries to finance it with his own personal fortune. For a man who was recently shown on TV talking to a group of Hawaiian businesspeople about the importance of diversification in business, he needs to try and follow his own advice.
Rob Halford is using the new model to market his solo work: maybe Gene ought to ask him how it's working out....
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