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Gene Simmons blames NIN, Radiohead and fans, for 'death' of music industry
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 25 June, 2008
Last November we reported that Gene Simmons, founding member of the rock group KISS, had gone off on Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and college aged pirates, going as far as to call Radiohead "idiots" and saying "Every little college kid ... should have been sued off the face of the earth," for their unauthorized downloading of course.
He has followed his last tirade with some new comments, ... [ read the full article ]
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Molinari
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26. June 2008 @ 12:44 |
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@ikari
Define a decent life? It's different for everyone? A greedy person feels that excess is needed, and therefore their definition of a decent life is excessive and not necessary. Who needs 20 cars and a gold plated toilette?
It reminds me of that quasimodo looking oil ceo cocksucker that got a 350 million dollar bonus......
What justifies that? Then some ceo's will lay off 10,000 people while getting a bonus like that. Does anyone really need all that money? As much as Bill Gates is loathed at least he seems to have a conscience what with that foundation and numerous charities.
Maybe his wife with-holds the vag if he acts greedy.
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26. June 2008 @ 20:23 |
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This isn't the first idiotic comment by JACK ASS Simmons,
he was recently quoted:
"One of the biggest compliments we get is (when people say), 'I f**king hate their music but that's the best show I ever saw in my life.'
He was also commenting on Radiohead being boring and standing behind their guitars and not ' blowing sh*t up'! F-Off Gene, your the reason the music industry is trashed now days, oh yeah, you and teenage girls.
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jeray
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27. June 2008 @ 10:39 |
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its to bad one guy ruined a band.the other members seem ok, i heard ace was jamming with pearl jam the other day.go wag that stupid tongue somewhere else.
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vladimpld
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27. June 2008 @ 11:43 |
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I'm an ex-record producer, and used to work with a big label in Hollywood, so I can give you some facts (at least valid about 5 yrs ago when I was actively working).
Artists, for the past 20 or so years, never received income in any decent form from record sales. You can say that a new artist gets $0.50 a 'unit' (CD sold) but you also have to factor in the returns that retailers were allowed to have on unsold content. So what happens is that the record label produce X number of units, ship them to stores, stores have them sitting on shelves for ages, and then return unsold stock. 18 months after the album is released, the labels calculate what shipped out, what was returned and then come up with a number that is paid back to artists for royalties.
From that number, they deduct costs. And oh hell do they inflate costs. A recording studio that an artist could book for $1,000 a day directly is sold back to them as costs at $2,500 per day. All other costs are inflated as far as possible. Then there is the 'advance' that is paid to the producer & artist to produce the album and let the artist(s) have something to live on while this happens. That's probably somewhere in the $125K range, so that has to be paid back too.
The reality is that new artists don't make money on their first 2 or 3 albums, unless they get really lucky and sell millions. In order to do that, they need about $1 million of advertising budget put behind them by the labels. They only choose artists that they feel are likely to return back on the investment, so ultimately its the label that controls the success and/or demise of the artist. And since 1 in 10 artists pay for the other 9, about 25% of the artists on roster are considered 'tax losses' for the label, so many get released with the label knowing they won't make money and will use it to reduce the tax burden.
That's the true world the artists live in. Its no surprise that many avoid this 'machine' as much as they can. The fact that many can sell their product direct to the public should be applauded and supported, while the 'old skool' music industry was basically a bunch of cheap sales people and lawyers wanting to exploit a commodity.
In the 80s and 90s, artists didn't focus on 'mechanical royalties' such as unit sales as a means of making money. I mean under this model, who could. They would focus on 'performance royalties' (the money that is made for broadcast rights to their works by radio stations, TV & movie usage, etc.) which went ultimately to the songwriters and publishers only. Bands also would make money from merchandising (ie. selling T-Shirts, stickers, etc.).
In the late 90s most record labels started to want a piece of that action too. Many would only sign artists who would give up all rights to performance royalties and merchandising.
Ultimately this is a flawed industry to begin with. Old artists that were able to sustain themselves through 3 or so albums eventually became known and are able to continue to make money from royalties to work they did 20+ years ago. That's just wrong, IMHO, if it comes at the expensive of the new artists. New artists need support, and if they don't get it, we don't get new music.
So Gene Simmon's has really no standing when he criticises his own customer base and other artists who have successfully found a way past this flawed business model. The fact that he is criticising it means that he is really a part of the problem and not the solution.
The fact is that the record labels sell little shiny plastic disks. They don't sell music, or art. That's the artist doing that work. Let's not get the two confused. Artists need our support. Little plastic disk manufacturers don't.
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27. June 2008 @ 12:10 |
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Thanks vladimpld for that well written post. Good information in there.
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rkj78h6g5
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27. June 2008 @ 14:19 |
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Gene Simmons is a has-been asswipe. He's fat, ugly, his hairstyle is right out of the 1700's, and he has no interpersonal skills. Anyone catch this moron on "The Apprentice" ? Most people found him to be an arrogant and annoying jackass. Furthermore, he hasn't written a new song in 20 years. Let him fade away.
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27. June 2008 @ 14:43 |
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And I thought Gene Simmons had died, oh well only "Brain Dead." And their music was not that good from the start. He does have a point. What if the world had only bought 2 or 3 songs at a buck apiece for his entire career, he probably would have been required to work a real job his whole life. LMAO
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TSRSteve
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27. June 2008 @ 14:59 |
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Informative posts like that is why I've been coming to this site for years. Thanks for the info vladimpld.
Also, if KISS were an up and coming band in this era I'm sure they'd be jumping all over the new sell it yourself business model. I'm sure most bands that are reasonably popular and not under some form of contract would. Hopefully the music industry will die a painful death, I mean it's only been around for like the last fifty years or so not since the dawn of time.
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27. June 2008 @ 15:06 |
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Originally posted by TSRSteve:
Informative posts like that is why I've been coming to this site for years. Thanks for the info vladimpld.
Also, if KISS were an up and coming band in this era I'm sure they'd be jumping all over the new sell it yourself business model. I'm sure most bands that are reasonably popular and not under some form of contract would. Hopefully the music industry will die a painful death, I mean it's only been around for like the last fifty years or so not since the dawn of time.
If you think about it, the record companies were just pimps and the artists were the hoes. I agree with you that they need to all die a slow miserable death. Maybe then, we can get some get music coming out our stereos other then what they want us to hear.
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27. June 2008 @ 15:20 |
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what a tool for the media industry, how much is the RIAA paying this guy to push their agenda, or is he just plain stupid?
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varnull
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27. June 2008 @ 15:32 |
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He's just stupid and wondering why his income from little plastic disks has stopped flowing.. He forgets that everybody who could possibly want a kiss record has already got it.. My local Age Concern shop has something like 8 kiss vinyl originals in nice condition for 99p a pop. I bet I could get more than that for them on fleabay.. there are a couple of jap imports amongst them.. love gun and dysentry (??)
I used to share a flat with a hardcore kiss fan... ouch!
About symmonds.. he hasn't ever been a drug user, and not even a great drinker.. he's not a great example of a rock star from the 70's.. he should be dead years ago.. his vice is young girls. How many underage girls has he ruined I wonder?
Nicely put vladimpld .. it's good to see another ex music industry pro in here.
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27. June 2008 @ 15:39 |
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Sounds to me like hes got nothing better to do than bitch. Sorry Gene, but you're music styles been dead for awhile now.
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Kupotek
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27. June 2008 @ 15:55 |
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Gene Simmons is a sell out and a douche bag who wasn't able to adapt to the changing times of the industry, and is too stupid to see it.
NIN and Radiohead are making millions by giving the fans what they want. They keep making music for the fans, which is what it's all about! And people buy their albums on their sites with an amazing loyalty that is stronger than ever.
Sorry Gene, you're wrong.
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DRFILGOOD
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27. June 2008 @ 20:23 |
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The music industry and artists have been earning an easy fortune out of the consumer/ fan for years . you had to buy the album to listen to the few songs you liked on it. Now you can download what tracks you like and fuck all the rest of the filler tracks off they dont like it. they earnt a fortune for too long and now they are being brought down to earth with a big bump and realise they cant just record shit and expect fans to pay for it. I apologise for the swearing but i really believe what i say.
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27. June 2008 @ 20:32 |
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gene simmons is nothing but a greedy piece of shit... i would love to get my hands on him and lars both for just 5 minutes.. hell prince to while im at, itll only take 1 minute to take care of that half pinted bastard.
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27. June 2008 @ 20:34 |
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Hmm sounds like gene's tongue was up Metallica's ass when he spewed this diatribe!
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wazzat
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27. June 2008 @ 20:35 |
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JUST GOT HERE AND HAVE TO SAY THAT WHAT EVER PRECEDED, HERE'S MY VIEW-missed Kiss during the 80s cause I was driving truck or getting what sleep I could. What I've heard of their music doesn't give me thrills. I do like Radioheads CREEP. Also liked Metallicas' BLACK. Now I'm thinking Gene Simmons and Lars are BED BUDDIES. I'm an underachiever and it sure seems that the more money you rake in, the pile is NEVER big enough.
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27. June 2008 @ 21:46 |
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It's amazing how staunchly opposing something can lead to one's own demise.
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varnull
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27. June 2008 @ 21:50 |
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Oooooo.. lots of love in this thread.. I can see the sales figures falling right now.
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27. June 2008 @ 21:53 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
Oooooo.. lots of love in this thread.. I can see the sales figures falling right now.
*i throw my KISS rug and toilet paper dispenser away*
EDIT: i own no KISS memorabilia. 'twas merely a jest.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. June 2008 @ 21:57
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corn
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27. June 2008 @ 21:59 |
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Originally posted by 7thsinger:
*i throw my KISS rug and toilet paper dispenser away*
I don't think he'd care. As long as you bought the rug, and he got royalties.
Do you even get royalties for rugs?
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27. June 2008 @ 22:01 |
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Lol.
I stole the rug from a burnout who kept raving about rock 'n rolling all night and partying...(he then peed himself and passed out which is how i acquired the rug and toilet paper dispenser)
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corn
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27. June 2008 @ 22:10 |
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LMFAO!
Well... Then you'd better not let Gene know- he might sue. Wait.. Did the Bum buy it.
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27. June 2008 @ 22:17 |
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Originally posted by corn:
LMFAO!
Well... Then you'd better not let Gene know- he might sue. Wait.. Did the Bum buy it.
That my friend is an item of pure speculation.
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corn
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27. June 2008 @ 22:25 |
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Ah. Well, if Gene stops by, send him the Bums way ;).
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