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321sucker
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2. June 2004 @ 12:25 |
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I dont know if this has been addressed yet, but try updating your ASPI layer.
Here is the link to the ASPI utility for WIN XP which also has the ASPI chk tool within it.
http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=%2FOperating+System%2FMicrosoft+Windows+XP&filekey=aspi_v471.exe
Copy and paste these instructions to notepad and print them, since you'll have to reboot to complete the installation.
In advance, I aplogize if my instructions seem elementary, not all are pc savvy.
First click on the link above and download the file to the default location which will be the root of the local disk. Here is the path, depending on your drive letter, may be "c" or "d". If it is local disk d then replace the c with the d.
C:\adaptec\aspi or D:\adaptec\aspi
Now go to windows explorer, by right clicking the windows start button and left clicking explore.
Look for the adaptec folder
Double Click on the adaptec folder, and to the right, in the split window, you'll see the aspi folder, now double click it. Now you will see a multitude of files.
Look for the "aspiinst" icon and double click it. Follow the instructions.
DOnt worry that is doesn't mention anything about ASPI for WIN XP, its OK.. DONT WORRY it will work.. 4 SHO..
Once rebooted go back to the aspi folder and look for the "aspichk" icon, this is the ASPI check.
Here are the instructions to get to the folder
Double Click on the adaptec folder, you'll see the aspi folder, now double click it.
At the bottom in very light letters you will either see ASPI is installed and fully operational, which is what you want or ASPI error or ASPI is not functional or.. you get the point.
At any regard, you'll want the ASPI to be installed and fully operational.
GOOD LUCK & hope this helps..... 321sucker
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2. June 2004 @ 18:41 |
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You need to get a different burner or get some verifiable name brand Discs from a different vendor.
Once your know for sure you can make whatever changes you need.
Donald
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321sucker
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2. June 2004 @ 19:06 |
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Maybe you need a different burner, I dunno, but like I stated, have a liteon 451s with a firmware (GSOH) upgrade to 851s. That dang liteon burns everything with no problems. I've used compusa, khypermedia, generic no name, you name it and I get playback.
I have numerurous compadres with liteon burners and they get the same results as I. Some have 411's with the flash upgrade to the 811.
BUT..
Could be a bad burner, anythings possible, I guess.
But updating ASPI is cheaper than spending money..
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jonnygogo
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4. June 2004 @ 03:19 |
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Wahey! I updated ASPI and took the multiregion off of the writer and i cut my first non-rw disk!!
I have now copied 3 successfully and 2 failures on the new r + disks and still cannot copy onto the ritek.
Its certainly not perfect but at least im starting to get some results. After these i will probably try to get some more expensive r+ disks like verbatim etc.
If still getting >20% failure then i will look at replacing the drive.
I would like to thank everyone for your time and help you have been great and i really appreciate it.
Keep up the good work.
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brobear
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4. June 2004 @ 04:13 |
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Okay, I checked the thread. The XP operating system with Service Pack One (SP1) doesn't need an ASPI download to work any of a large number of recording software. If you haven't kept the XP updated, you need to do so. The other OSs, get ASPI.
Starting to look like a bad drive, unless maybe the downloads got corrupted. I had that happen once.
I didn't hear any one ask, are you doing anything with the computer while you are trying to record. That is one function that you should start and not do anything else. Disconnect from the net, use msconfig and shut down the programs running from start. Make sure all burning programs, other than the one you are using , are shut down. Make sure no scheduled programs can come on. Clear all temp memory if possible. All this should be done following a clean boot. With everything turned off that can be, and only running the recording software, record a disc. If you get a bad recording, I would say its time to have the PC checked by a tech. You may have hardware problems.
If you are not using windows XP, I didn't notice, you might want to switch. There are issues concerning the FAT32 and NTFS file systems. Too much to get into here.
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jonnygogo
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4. June 2004 @ 05:22 |
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No i'm not doing a single thing, usually turning blue holding my breath and daring not to move! I do not close everything down ie normal system jobs though.
The last xp update was done about 3 months ago with the machine being less than a year old.
Could this be a dirty head at all? Which brings me onto how often do you think you should clean the drive and also generally how easy is it to do damage to recorded disks compared to retail ones, ie finger marks etc?
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brobear
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4. June 2004 @ 06:42 |
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krunchy
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4. June 2004 @ 09:27 |
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AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!
I have a plextor 708A burner 2 months old with the latest firmware off their site (1.04)
Was burning flawless with some Accu brand DVDs at 2x-R
or Philips brand at 2.4X+R using Nero 6.3.1 and all updates of it.
But I can't find a faster disk speed to burn:
Tried TDK 8x+R, Verbatim, 8x+R, Imation 4X+R, Fuji 4X-R, Memorex 4X-R. Nero says it is burning at the designated speed, but it always burns slower than 2x (Takes an hour to burn a disc)
What is the deal? Is it my burner? Should I go back to previous firmware? Call plextor? Help!
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321sucker
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4. June 2004 @ 13:10 |
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Check the IDE controllers in device manager.
The 1st and 2ndary channel under the advanced tab.
Be certain the the transfer mode is selected as DMA if available.
If any changes are made, reboot and then recheck.
If it is still transfering at PIO mode. Uninstall each controller and reboot.
Let XP reinstall each one and that should fix your problem.
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krunchy
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4. June 2004 @ 13:32 |
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I check the IDE controllers.
Under the first of the secondary IDE channel properties for device 1, it says in the transfer mode, DMA if available.
however it says PIO mode in current transfer mode.
So I should uninstall this, reboot, and let windows XP fix it?
Still a rookie at all this, so my apologies for sounding ignorant.
-Sendil
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Hickster
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4. June 2004 @ 20:51 |
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Hey Jonny...Let me ask you something? what speed media are you using? and what is your drive speed?
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4. June 2004 @ 21:23 |
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Quote:
Under the first of the secondary IDE channel properties for device 1, it says in the transfer mode, DMA if available.
however it says PIO mode in current transfer mode.
So I should uninstall this, reboot, and let windows XP fix it?
Krunchy, switch to DMA and reboot, then check... If it stays PIO then I would uninstall the drive and let xp re-install it.
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4. June 2004 @ 21:26 |
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The XP operating system with Service Pack One (SP1) doesn't need an ASPI download to work any of a large number of recording software
Not true ... for programs like DVDCloner2 and XCopy Platinum, updating my aspi layer solved my problems. Now I've read with Shrink, Decrypter, and Nero you don't need to.
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4. June 2004 @ 21:37 |
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Also this is from the readme file from aspi4.71.2
I. Operating System ASPI Files Installed
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Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 wnaspi32.dll, aspi32.sys
winaspi.dll, wowpost.exe
Microsoft Windows 2000 wnaspi32.dll, aspi32.sys
winaspi.dll, wowpost.exe
Microsoft Windows 98 wnaspi32.dll, apix.vxd
Microsoft Windows Me wnaspi32.dll, apix.vxd
Microsoft Windows XP wnaspi32.dll, aspi32.sys
VI. Installation of ASPI
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1. Run INSTALL.BAT with the target operating system
command line option specified:
X86 ( for Windows 98/ME/NT/2000 )
XP32 ( for Windows XP 32-bit )
XP64 ( for Windows XP 64-bit )
e.g. "INSTALL.BAT X86"
2. INSTALL.BAT will prompt you to specify which operating
system to install for if you did not specify one in Step 1).
a) If you are installing for X86 systems for either
Windows 98/ME/NT/2000 then ASPIINST.EXE will be invoked
and the rest of the installation process will be carried
out.
b) If you are installing for X86 or Itanium systems the
batch file will invoke REG_XP.EXE to make the necessary
registry entries and then copy the operating system
specific files to the appropriate location. The operating
system path is determined by the environment variable
%windir%.
For Win XP 32-bit:
ASPIXP.SYS will be copied to %windir%\system32\drivers\ASPI32.SYS
WNASPIXP.DLL will be copied to %windir%\system32\WNASPI32.DLL
For Win XP 64-bit:
ASPI64.SYS will be copied to %windir%\system32\drivers\ASPI32.SYS
WNASPI64.DLL will be copied to %windir%\system32\WNASPI32.DLL
3. Reboot the system to enable the ASPI driver.
this is how I installed aspi 4.71.2
1)Click Start, then Run
2)Click Browse, then choose Local Disk
3)Click Adaptec, then ASPI
4)Click Install, then Open
Will look as follows:
C:\adaptec\aspi\install.bat
5)Now type xp32 at the end. Make sure you space after .bat
C:\adaptec\aspi\install.bat xp32
6)Click Ok, reboot. Now run aspichk. Should look as follows:
ASPI32.SYS 4.71.2
WOWPOST.EXE Not Installed
WINASPI.DLL Not Installed
WNASPI32.DLL 4.71.2
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krunchy
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5. June 2004 @ 05:01 |
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Got it. thanks. I changed from PIO to DMA and the speed...the speed...My God, it's beautiful...
-Krunchy
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8. June 2004 @ 05:20 |
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Krunchy, the latest Plextor firmware update for the 708A is 1.06.
Life is good!
GrandpaBruce - Vietnam Vet - 1970 - 1971
Computer: Intel Core i7-920 Nehalim;Asus P6T Deluxe V2
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jonnygogo
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10. June 2004 @ 06:36 |
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Hey Hickster - i am using 4x media and the drive was 8x although i only tried to copy at 2x.
However i decided to change the drive when i noticed even playback was becoming affected.
I have now bought a NEC 2510 ( oh yeh the dual layered baby) and i am burning beautifully now on plus minus ritek and everything. Lovely drive if anyones interested in UK got it from www.ebuyer.com for £68 inc delivery, only a tenner more than the single layer 2500.
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brobear
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10. June 2004 @ 09:20 |
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Flip
Glad the download fixed your problem.
Just going by personal experience. I have a bunch of the 321 software on my PC along with several others. The problems I had to solve were software interference. (Guess I need to do some cleaning with all this software.) I have the DVDXCopy Platinum. Don't know about ClonerDVD2, I've got DVDClone2. I've kept up the Microsoft updates and have never had to download ASPI drivers. The ASPI updates, if needed, were possibly in the Updates. Seems this is off topic as how the problem dealt with changing a setting.
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321sucker
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10. June 2004 @ 12:33 |
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Hey brobear,
XP updates dont resolve the ASPI issue.
I am an ex-321er, tier 2 support, and ASPI is one of the simpler resolutions to ripping issues or just bad burns.
XP updates never resolve this. They plug the holes in the OS. ASPI isnt one.
It just so happens that nero and certain others have an aspi software layer built into there programs.
If you havent had to update APSI, good 4 u.
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brobear
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10. June 2004 @ 15:47 |
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Don't guess anybody saw that qualified maybe in there. Updates definitely keep you up on the latest DirectX and other necessary niceties for operating the XP OS. ASPI was included in some Windows OS (Don't think it came up front in XP). And as I said, I was speaking from personal experience of not having to download ASPI versions other than what came on the system. I'm running XP Home. I have GamesXCopy and both versions of Platinum running on my machine now. Excellent quality video and no recording problems (lets keep our fingers crossed). No Patin Couffin drivers needed either. I have the Nero 6 package with Recode2. Here is a list of other software in there: AnyDVD, CloneDVD2, InterVideo's DVDCopy2, DVD2One, DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink, CopyToDVD, Blindwrite, Adobe Premiere Pro, and Roxio. (Yes, Roxio dwells happily on my system and I can still use Platinum).
Seems like everybody wants to talk about Advanced SCSI Programming Interface (ASPI). The ASPI for Win32 is available from Adaptec Corporation and can be downloaded from http://www.adaptec.com. Contact Adaptec for questions on ASPI installation, use, or coding. That should cover any more ASPI questions. Adaptec distributes it and should have the answer for any questions.
ASPI may have been a simple fix in a lot of cases. Like this case, ASPI is not always the issue. As a tier 2 tech for 321, I guess you're aware the worst problem 321 had, software interference. Tech support had the big list of software that could cause problems. Some people gave up instead of deleting all their programs. My problem turned out to be InCD (deleted it) and all I have to do is turn the other programs off. The techs had mentioned ASPI and Patin Couffin and at the same time they sent me the huge prepared bulletin they had prepared. They knew they had a problem. I thought it something else when they said you had to delete programing for a fix. A person had to choose either 321 or the other software they were using. I think I would have asked for a refund before doing all that deleting.
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10. June 2004 @ 16:04 |
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Get down, and don't use the most recent verion of ASPI
4.7+ for XP, go for the force ASPI solution and get the 4.60 version. I've got to say though that I use XP Pro and althugh I've installed the ASPI drivers (compulsive habit),many-a-time I've received no gains as a result. In many cases they just don't seem to be needed. It's software dependent. fortunately Feurio and Nero have their own. BTW, there's a lot of OEM quality rebranded Ritek floating around and they do have problems.
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brobear
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10. June 2004 @ 16:23 |
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Sophocles,
I live and I learn. Thanks for the info. The tool Praetor mentioned does a good job ID-ing the disc manufacturers. The DVD Identifier is probably the best choice for doing the particular job. InfoPro does the job and has more function, but they drop a ton of adware on the user. Looks like a person is going to have to start checking the manufacturer and not the brand of the DVDs. One manufacturer, Ricoh, manufactures discs for at least four major brands including Verbatim. I wonder if the jpn following Ricoh in the ID stands for Japan. Is it true Mitsubishi is one of the preferred manufacturers for quality discs?
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10. June 2004 @ 16:44 |
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Nero's infotool also Catches the manufacturers ID number, which can then be searched by Google.
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wildthang
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11. June 2004 @ 06:08 |
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I concur with Sophocles there are a lot of OEM quality rebranded Ritek floating around and they do have problems. Disks from Supermediastore are suspect. I had no problems with disks from: Meritline and Allmediaoutlet.
Just a FYI.
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11. June 2004 @ 06:09 |
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I started about 2 months ago and was running into all kinds of problems with my media but after trying every combination I could I finally got it down pat. I don't even buy expensive media anymore. I use the crap stuff and I have tried it with four different burners (Pioneer, LG,Sony,Lite-on)and they all worked with thiese tips. By the way, you won't have any problems with rewritable DVD's cause they are very high quality for rewriting so they work great all the time if you can get them on sale. As for using cheap media, I found out that no matter which burner you are using you need to rip and burn with the same device. Using a seperate DVD player to rip and then burning with another device is just asking for problems as the firmware may not be exactly compatible and you get data drop out errors from player to burner. So rip with the same device and burn with the same device, same firmware for both jobs.
Next, try and us media that has very little writing or paint on top as this can cause the laser to flare when it is burning hence the second suggestion to take off the sides of your computer to let it get as cool as possible. Even low level lasers generate heat and the paint on top can gather the heat in spots and cause burnouts. Try to use clear tops or disks with very little paint and writing on them. This rule does not apply to expensive media like Verbatim etc but I cannot afford them at the rate I use them. I buy stacks of silver tops at $29.99 for 50 and lose maybe 4 or 5 in the whole pile but that is because of the next reason. You have to make sure the source DVD is spotless and as scratch free as possible. This s very important. Clean them and check for marks cause this causes data dropouts as well. I usually rent a movie just as it is coming out to avoid that and I always check the disk before I leave the store.
Next.....forget about labelling your back ups. I know it looks cool and professional but trust me...it creates heat dams when you play them and the backups start skipping and freezing and once they start that they don't stop and are coasters. Just use a very thin permanent marker to put the name on and decorate the case instead. This is great for rewritables cause sometimes you get sick of a movie and you can just write over it and then add the new name to the DVD top,scratch the old title out and away you go.
One more little tip to help.....use DVD Shrink and re-author and drop all the crap(subtitles,menus,previews etc.) out to avoid compressing too much. It's the movie you after in any case isn't it? Also, if the movie is really long split it into two disks using DVD Shrink so the movie is not compressed at all. It works for really long movies like Seven Sumaris and The Great Escape. Just use the splitting feature in Shrink and find a logical break in the movie to end the first part, back it up, burn it and then do the rest of the movie the same way. I know it can be a pain having to change a movie half way through but it's worth it to get a perfect working copy of a movie for your collection.
Doing everything the way I have described seems to work with either the TS video format or ISO format.
I have burned over 350 movies and they are all still woking and look great.
I hope this helps and urge you to give it a try as I and about 10 people I know are burning this way and no complaints(except for scratched source disks) from anyone. Happy burning!!
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