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PacMan777
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17. April 2007 @ 14:46 |
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Ireland is right. You're looking at a small town with traffic coming in with off campus students and faculty as well as other employees. How do you close that down a town without several hours lead time and the help of the National Guard? It's a tragedy, but unless you have someone on hand to apprehend the perpetrator at the scene of a crime, there's no way of preventing further trouble until he makes himself known or is tracked down by investigators. In this case the lunatic made his presence known in a classroom.
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17. April 2007 @ 14:56 |
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Originally posted by gerry1:
@zippy...I think Garmoon was talking about the two hour delay in warning students, not the crazy guy who did the shooting; no one could predict that. A lot of people are screaming negligence because two people had already been killed yet they waited and waited before issuing a warning and lock-down. Some are claiming that if it had been locked down after the first two murders, then the other 30 could have been prevented. I don't claim to know if this would have been the case; hind sight is always 20/20, as the saying goes.
ah its hard to know what they were up to I am sure between the news sensationalizing things and a city investigation over it we will know soon enough what really happened 0-o
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17. April 2007 @ 14:58 |
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I would like to bitch about the media and how they only report the negative things in life. Dipping for ratings etc. Insanity. However, I would like to pray for the kid who actually commited the murder, no matter how much hate is directed his way because of this, we have to be thinking of what he must have been going through to commit such a horrible crime. That isn't to say he is justified in doing what he did, or that he suffered more than the victims and their famililes. But people don't out of the blue go and mow down 32 other victims. I have sympathy to the boy and his family. And more so the vitims and their families. I do not think it was his fault... or... I'm not sure. But I do think that he is not entirely to blame for this, I think it's probably mostly Virginia Tech's fault. Again 28,000 students and 32 police. Is FU*KING REDICULOUS. For putting him in this situation that he feels as if suicide is the only way out, and for not dealing with this acceptably. You'd think they'd have someone on the PA system for this kind of thing. It's bloody ridiculous...
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17. April 2007 @ 15:03 |
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In addition to other points raised, how many double shootings are followed by a mass murder? It's not like the cops were expecting the guy to go waste 30 people a mile away two hours later. People are acting like the cops should've known the shooting spree was going to happen. When someone wastes a couple people they almost always get as far from the scene of the crime as possible so the whole thing was curve ball nobody could've predicted and I think people need to back off trying to pin a buch of ridiculous expectations on the cops. Show me ANY college that has a contingency plan for "Double Shooting Followed by Mass Murder Two Hours Later".
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17. April 2007 @ 15:05 |
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True... but my point is better... read above ^^ xD
Good point Neph... I had no idea people thought it was the cops fault.
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17. April 2007 @ 15:06 |
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
In addition to other points raised, how many double shootings are followed by a mass murder? It's not like the cops were expecting the guy to go waste 30 people a mile away two hours later. People are acting like the cops should've known the shooting spree was going to happen. When someone wastes a couple people they almost always get as far from the scene of the crime as possible so the whole thing was curve ball nobody could've predicted and I think people need to back off trying to pin a buch of ridiculous expectations on the cops. Show me ANY college that has a contingency plan for "Double Shooting Followed by Mass Murder Two Hours Later".
ture ture,I have lost some respect for CNN with the endless reporting even lou dobbs did it too and lost lost a point of respect I have for im,that and I wanted to see him put fire to the feet of polis.
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17. April 2007 @ 15:09 |
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Well, that's certainly true, yet, they're raising an aweful lot of stink about it but again, hind sight is always 20/20. People always want to assign blame.
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17. April 2007 @ 15:10 |
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I have sympathy to the boy and his family. And more so the vitims and their families. I do not think it was his fault...
I sure as hell blame this sicko. He is the one who got mad at the world and mowed down a group of people because he was unhappy. It was his responsibility to seek help if he thought he needed it (and if anybody did...). If beyond being able to seek help, his parents or someone should have notified the proper authourities. Most of us at one time or another have lost someone we loved. Shooting people isn't the recommended method for recovering from a broken heart.
I have no idea what his parents taught him. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and think they're nice folks who tried to bring their child up with moral values, among those a respect for life. I feel sorry for them, but not for the monster they called a son. I doubt they had any idea.
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17. April 2007 @ 15:10 |
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I agree with Neph and the others who realize that you can't blame the police/university/ and other law enforcement officials. At this point in time, let's not "Blame" anybody for the incident, lets help the victims, grieve for the lost and start the healing process and get these poor kids lives back on track.
Just my 2¢ worth.
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17. April 2007 @ 15:17 |
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i been watching fox,i feel they are doing a good job on there news reports
so ye know how i watch tv on my computer,i use a usb turner by pinnacle..with a cable hook up..
also it can input or record any dvd or video device like a vcr,television or video camera in to my computer in mpeg2 in real time..
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17. April 2007 @ 15:31 |
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Unless he was mentally ill there is no excuse for what happened. If he was, it was his family's fault and the school system for allowing him the chance to run amok in public. Till it is proven he was incompetent, I find this man guilty of the crime of mass murder. He's the one who acquired the guns, walked into a crowded school and started shooting. If this wasn't preplanned, why more than one gun and why all the ammunition, why guns and ammo at all? This man was prepared to do what he did and was a stone cold killer. Being lovesick is a poor excuse.
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17. April 2007 @ 15:34 |
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Originally posted by PacMan777:
Unless he was mentally ill there is no excuse for what happened. If he was, it was his family's fault and the school system for allowing him the chance to run amok in public. Till it is proven he was incompetent, I find this man guilty of the crime of mass murder. He's the one who acquired the guns, walked into a crowded school and started shooting. If this wasn't preplanned, by more than one gun and why all the ammunition. This man was prepared to do what he did and was a stone cold killer. Being lovesick is a poor excuse.
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they have reported he had anger issues and made was it bomb threats ?
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17. April 2007 @ 15:45 |
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Some are making it sound as though he was a menace to society and shouldn't have been allowed in a social environment. Others are playing him up as a disturbed youth.
Whether planned or not, the bomb threats kept the police preoccupied on that front as well.
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17. April 2007 @ 16:13 |
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THE CRAP IS HITTING THE FAN..
U.S. gun laws draw heat after massacre
LONDON - The Virginia Tech shootings sparked criticism of U.S. gun control laws around the world Tuesday. Editorials lashed out at the availability of weapons, and the leader of Australia ? one of America's closest allies ? declared that America's gun culture was costing lives.
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17. April 2007 @ 16:27 |
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I have sympathy to the boy and his family. And more so the vitims and their families. I do not think it was his fault...
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I do not think it was his fault... or... I'm not sure. But I do think that he is not entirely to blame for this
Is what I said. Yes still, I do beleive that It couldn't be totally his fault, there has to be extinuatiing circumstances.
And in all ways he is responsible for the crime, as you all said there isn't a person who doesnt go though a time in there life that you'd love to gun down a few people, and we all control that urge (Except Auslander) but we all probably don't have to go through what that kid may have gone through alot more than what we can can imagine Post Traumatic Stress disorder etc... and his parents may have mind Fu**ed him... But thats a bit harsh. I don't know, but I don't think we should only feel sorry for those victim's family. Because the kid himself is a victim.
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and the leader of Australia ? one of America's closest allies ? declared that America's gun culture was costing lives.
Good old Australia my homeland, trust us to point out the obvious, but I don't want to
A) Get political
B) Get some redneck reciting the constitution to me
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17. April 2007 @ 16:56 |
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Originally posted by ireland:
THE CRAP IS HITTING THE FAN..
U.S. gun laws draw heat after massacre
LONDON - The Virginia Tech shootings sparked criticism of U.S. gun control laws around the world Tuesday. Editorials lashed out at the availability of weapons, and the leader of Australia ? one of America's closest allies ? declared that America's gun culture was costing lives.
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Everyone likes to jump on the wagon and yell about gun laws. Gun laws didn't stop the IRA, Basque separatists, and the many splinter groups in western countries. If a criminal wants a weapon, they'll find a way. People kill people. Like the joke goes, the pencil made me mispell, get rid of pencils. Cars kill more people than guns, get rid of cars. Fertilizer, diesel fuel and vans weren't banned after McVey blew up the federal building. Borders have yet to be controlled after the 9/11. German speed laws kill more people than the average. Change laws for the autobahn. There needs to be more enforcement of current laws before considering new laws, but people would rather go by kneejerk reactions.
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17. April 2007 @ 17:00 |
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This is going off topic but anway.
You have to be pretty thickheaded to think changing the gun laws won't do anything, because the common criminal is not a member of the IRA or a splineter cell, they can get guns but it sure as hell will decraes the murder rates like 90%
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Was this murderer part of an IRA or splinter cell group? I think not.
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17. April 2007 @ 17:11 |
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Is what I said. Yes still, I do beleive that It couldn't be totally his fault, there has to be extinuatiing circumstances.
I understand what you're saying. There's usually circumstances that influence a persons's actions. In this case a young man made a highly inappropriate decison to take a horrific action. He was responsible unless mentally incapable of making the decision. Like I mentioned before, not everyone who has lost at love goes out and commits a massacre.
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17. April 2007 @ 17:29 |
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I'm sure they're going to do one hell of an autopsy on the shooter. There are a number of things like a tumor in a certain place in the brain etc. that can cause such things. I guess that came into my head because its easier to understand than just psycho behavior.
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17. April 2007 @ 17:30 |
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Gerry1 is right in my intent. It was the two hr delay. They had no suspect in the first shooting.They had no idea where he was or who he was! Email alerts should have been sent immediately after the first shooting. The negligence is on the part of the admin. for not doing that and for police not encouraging everyone out of the classes to say the football stadium or some safer place, not to come to campus and stay in locked dorms. Whoever was in charge will lose his job before all is said and done and should. The shooter had also been recommended for counciling.
There will be no gun law changes in America for sure. The NRA gun lobby weilds entirely too much power. We probably loose that many students in a year due to Bus crashes and still no seat belts on them. JM2C
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17. April 2007 @ 17:33 |
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All i have to say about gun laws,leave the laws as is and add you have to be a american citizen to buy or own a gun of any kind ,and having a green card does not qualify to own a gun..
that nut only had a green card,..............it might of been possible he could not of got a gun to do his work of the devil....
and in that state there is no 3-day waiting period
ye have the dollars ye get a gun as soon as like now
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17. April 2007 @ 17:33 |
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Originally posted by NicHt:
This is going off topic but anway.
You have to be pretty thickheaded to think changing the gun laws won't do anything, because the common criminal is not a member of the IRA or a splineter cell, they can get guns but it sure as hell will decraes the murder rates like 90%
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Was this murderer part of an IRA or splinter cell group? I think not.
Gun laws have been changed and most anti-gun protestors have little idea of what the gun laws are. Even with more strict gun laws, what would have prevented a young man without a record from purchasing a gun.
He had a receipt for the purchase of a Glock 9mm. What a person decides to do with a legally purchased item can't be easily legislated.
Even with lower capacity weapons such as a revolver there's speed loaders. So, a whole lot of shooting can be done with older tech weapons. Banning semi automatic weapons is no solution. The only way guns can be gotten rid of is to stop making them and melt them all down. Even the police and military can't have them because they'll fall into the hands of a citizen at some point. Then people will go back to killing people the old fashioned way with bombs, knives, and other methods of mayhem.
The point I was making about radical groups is that weapons are always available, even if there are laws against them. You have criminals around the world with guns. They're citizens who decided to take a different turn in society. If a regular person wants a gun a criminal has, do you believe if the price is right a transactioin won't take place?
I don't appreciate being called thickheaded because I don't pity murderers, even on the safety valve. That's getting to be rude and personal behavior and I'll drop out of this conversation now.
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17. April 2007 @ 17:40 |
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LMAO, True True.
But I think It is very likely that he was mentally incapable. Moments of viscious depression and hate can be as mentally blinding as a disability. And I know that he most definatly under extinuating cricumstances, and again, I am not saying he was right, he was horribly and literally fatally wrong. But in the end, this is a suicide case, suicidals see no way out but suicide, but suicide is a permantent solution a tempory problem, (I've been lectured on this before.) Anyway, suicidal people are not mentally capable of saying "Suicide is not an option." And we can't go giving simple advice to kids like this like "no one else goes out and shoots people," Because at the time the people are not mentally 'right' And I know every one is thinking, I have been in extinuationg circumstances before. But I think, that only the people who actually went through with the suicide know what these circumstances are. It's that little extra push needed for this person to kill himself, that us people who get so close and then say "it's not an option" we don't understand it, only the actual dead suicidals can fully understand these circumstances. Empathy is the key, we know how hard it is for the victims, we know it too well, but what stops these victims families from going on a rampage? it's not because they are more level headed, it's because (I don't mean to sound in-sensative) but even in this horrible circumstance they still do not understand what was going through this kid's head.
Empathy is what this kid desired and did not get, thus empathy is what this kid lacked.
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I don't appreciate being called thickheaded because I don't pity murderers, even on the safety valve. That's getting to be rude and personal behavior and I'll drop out of this conversation now.
In know way did I call you a thickhead, I'm sorry if I gave you that impression, I stated it wrong, I meant to say this: in Australia, there are practically no gun murders, why? Because guns were Never Legal.I agree with you in some extent, if you changed the laws nowshit all would happen, there are soo many guns out, and having guns is woven into our phsyce (Can't spell) nothing would happen if you changed them now, NOTHING, but the gradual cracking down, will benefit future genarations.
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17. April 2007 @ 17:50 |
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You came real close in calling PacMan thickheaded. I would have been offended had it been I. Maybe it was just that you posted after him and he was saying gun law changes would do no good. Yeah you called him thickheaded. LOL
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17. April 2007 @ 17:56 |
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Yes, I have made myself look like an ass due to length of my posts and the relative shortness of other's posts. So I say something seemingly off topic and offensive. Sorry Again Pacman
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