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Lets Paint The Kettle Black,Do You Have A Bitch On Whats Going On Around The Site Or Any Thing Negative To Report
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he wasn't just a member of higher rank although I understand your unwillingness to give a "addict" much respect these day's
Ranking doesn't matter......I give the same respect to every member of the site......
higher ranking simply means you are active on this site.....I could care less on who has a higher ranking....the only people i give higher respect to are the admin and mods as they make the site as good as it is........I give the same respect as an addict to a newbie....
Oh and by the way i never said i didn't respect him.......I just said simply that you are leaving because someone of higher ranking was leaving,as in been here a long time and contributed his knowledge
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*****REMOVED BY CHOICE******
I had a long post typed out about Brobears suspension but removed it to keep another war from starting. I understand some of the background problems and sort of know both sides. I saw nothing in the open forum that should have caused his suspension. What happened behind closed doors should have had nothing to do with the operation of the open forum. As a general manager of 3 stores I know a little about running a business and AD is in many ways a business. You can't let personal opinion dictate how someone is treated if they know their job and do it well. I am not a close friend of Brobear but have posted in some threads with him. That is our only connection which is the same with many other members I know. Any disagreement between him and other members To my knowledge was not hashed out in open debate. I think it was totally wrong but its not my forum. This is why everyone worth anything is leaving AD. I also see several of our NEW SENIOR MEMBERS say rank doesn't matter. I guess thats the future of the forum. They have been here 6 months and expect more than members here for 3 years.
Now you know why I don't get on here as much anymore.
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19. May 2006 @ 22:22 |
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@andmerr.
I am on noones side apart from aD as a whole. And in aDs best interest, i think if it meant anything to you, you would stay here and help "keep the ship on course".
Its not just down to the admins, its down to members to.
It seems that the majority of people who posted in the amd v p4 thread picked a side. Most of hem Brobear.
I'm not. As i see it you are two members who valuably contribute and are vital members of the community. If this was not true there wouldnt be sch an uproar about this feud.
You both have alot of respect from me, for guiding me about my queries and dilemmas, but you will both gain enormous respect from me if oyu stay. It shows you have aDs best interests at heart if yo stay. The aD community, that is.
Thanks ireland!![afterdawn legend]
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EDITED ONLY due to having written this in notepad which introduced masses of funny spacing..
i dunno why i'm bothering to reply as this petty crap just ain't worth my time. but what the hell, i'll try to address a little of it. In fact i had written this reply then shelved it, but then i'm informed of more PM harassment, this time by brobear1. I'm not doing this to air dirty laundry but to try to get this pointless crap and bullying to stop. Period.
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@ creaky.i dont blame you for anything... i dont know enough of what goes on in all then other forums i just follow a few and it seems that if your not in a certain clique your not accepted.
- i don't mind if anyone blames me or calls me for anything, in this situation or any other. Apart from if it was to be done in the public forums. And even then it's only because i don't want stuff like that to create dissent/flames/whatever from ppl. i don't lose sleep for one second if someone calls me for anything. In fact i find that kind of thing genuinely amusing.
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that why i think it suck cause some of the people i can trust with info are totally pi**ed off and say they arent comeing back here.
- that's up to them. but no-one is criticising the info/contributions from said ppl. And that info isnt going anywhere, it's still here. Unfortunately (and fortunately, depends on points of view) some of the crap is also still here.
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you have help me once or twice with some things ive pm'd you about i dont have anything against you
- cool, i'm always glad to help, i do what i can, even though these days my help is more focused on moderating than helping. I spent virtually a year up to my neck in nearly every single thread in the Nero forum when it was first created. i just don't have the time or energy to be quite as helpful these days, real life's a bitch like that. However i don't lose any sleep over it as there are plenty of ppl in my stead now, so Nero users are more than adequately catered for. I know lots of ppl are glad of my help here, but i wouldn't cry like a baby in public forums or outside in the real world if ppl think my help is crap. And as i said above, i don't mind if you were to have anything against me. i just do what i do to help/contribute. If anyone thinks i'm doing a bad job, (or a good job), do it via PM and not on public forums. Again, not cus i'm worried by what anyone thinks of me, but because it's bad for forum morale to publicly criticise moderators/other posters. Take it from me, there's enough idiots in certain forums around here from young kids who don't yet know any better, without all the crap that alleged adults get involved in on public forums.
There's far too much bad-mouthing of moderators being going on and frankly that sucks. I don't think we're more important than anyone else, as i say there's the forum morale issue if ppl attack ppl publicly.
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another one bites the dust *sigh*
I must say I don't know all the details I'm not going to bother to ask as I see that noone cares to answer.
I do not wish to get involved as politics is not my thing but take it from one who was party to but a small portion of the taunts fo those on "the other side" I must say what ever the reaction gotten from bro it probably was not sufficient.
- you know i think, that i am not one to take sides, i last got involved with something like this before i made mod, and it was back in September when the whole jmet/uncasms/whoever thing was going on. i'm not naming names to belittle them, my point is that i'm saying the same thing now as i did then. It was something along the lines of keeping the spats out of public forums. Basically (and i've copy/pasted a comment (slightly edited to suit this reply) from ones i made back then) -
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that's my beef with these spats - experienced and no doubt respected ppl have been brawling in these public forums.
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let's face it when peolpe come together with nothing but conflict and darker rebelious intentions in mind there can be no good come of it, and I don't think the decay of this forum is at an end.
Infact I can say assuredly we have just taken a step back wards.
- there's enough conflict in public forums ie in the last part of this thread and the last couple pages of the Intel vs P4 thread, and that's where the decay is coming from.
I had a longer reply to some of the other subsequent posts but quite frankly i got better things to do now. i've spent far too long on this one post already, there are other threads that require my time and even input, plus i need to do real life stuff too.
And for the record i have nothing against brobear, nor his knowledge. We've never had a mis-word that i can think of. I just want all this petty, conceited, whiny and downright snidy crap to stop, it helps no-one. You ppl need to step back and think about how all this must look to a newcomer, arriving here or the P4 vs AMD thread, from a google search for instance.
EDIT- and some of you also need to see the bigger picture as i said before - the P4 vs Intel thread was NOT why he was banned.
This bit i've added since being informed of more bullying by the new nick brobear1 -
I am sick and tired of seeing the snidy crap that brobear/brobear1 has been doing to others, moderators AND posters. Current case in point - he's been harassing one poster (that i know of) via PM since signing up as brobear1. You lot don't need to know any details, it's called being discreet, not hiding things from you, some of us conduct things outside of public forums is all.
I hate saying this brobear as we've not had a mis-word ourselves, but you can now add me to your shit-list. You need to just frigging well STOP with the petty games. Piss off to other sites and stop disrupting ppl here. Your knowledge is and was always appreciated, but not the crap that goes with it. In real life i work in tech support and i'm self-taught, i've done bloody well for myself, but by learning everything the hard way/imparting knowledge to others (for nearly 20years now), NOT by being a condescending arse. My point is i don't tolerate ppl who condescend others, knowledge is all well and good, BUT attitude problems don't always need to accompany techie know-how. I also do not tolerate bullying, have recently taken my career in my hands over a bullying incident (that was being done to me), don't think for a second i have to tolerate it on an anonymous forum.
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it seems that the majority of people who posted in the amd v p4 thread picked a side. Most of hem Brobear
I was there and although I disagreed with the decision to ban brobear I chose no sides, and I am also not one of the friends who sided with him in the open forum either. There should have been no sides to take.
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i'd have banned you in the intel vs amd thread.
And for what, NO REASON!!!
Go for it, sounds like your specialty.
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O'h and by the way i really liked your reply in the amd thread, but you shouldnt get into something you dont know anything about or have you only got half the story.Remember there are always 2 sides and i dont see a pm from you asking me for the other side so i guess you've already made your mind up.At this rate you probably wont make addict with your foot stuck in your mouth, or are you just trying to be some ones lacky
apologies to all except you sytyguy, this is a bitch thread after all, have i broken another rule for criticising you for your imature attitude on an issue you know nothing about
Yes, there are 2 sides to every story, but why didn't you PM brobear your concerns, instead of posting on an open forum.....immature perhaps.
Addict, I have no idea what it would take to become one, but if you are any kind of representative for the addict community I do not want to be one.
Peace!!!
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andmerr
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20. May 2006 @ 04:20 |
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20. May 2006 @ 04:23 |
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Sophocles.
I said majority, not everyone. I've spoken to brobear more than i have to andmerr in my time at aD, and i am completely against the banning of him. I wasn't reffering to you. I just recieved a pm though trying to get me to join a "revolution" to get creaky and andmerr banned!! I don't want anybody banned! Granted, im more friends with brobear that andmerr, but they are both valuable contributors.
I don't know the whole sketch but im sure creaky will agree with me that it would have been better for the site if nobody got banned. About trying to ban creaky, BULLSHIT!. Im going against what you said in your post creaky because im saying in an opne forum that your one of the best damn mods on this site (and ireland :P), and trying to get you banned is the stupudest thing i've heard.
I just wish that no1 had to get banned, and leaving and running from your problems won't solve anything. Thats the first thing i was taught on this forum, by a certain group of friends.
Edit, @andmerr, i'd like to see the transcript jsut to be nosey lol!:P
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andmerr,
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actually i did, would you like to view the transcript
Sure, PM me.
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20. May 2006 @ 04:36 |
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I think things mentioned via private message should stay just that.. private..
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andmerr
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@Darthnip
Thank you. Since you didn't request our PM be kept private, I didn't think you would mind my sharing it. The text is the same. I highlighted a few entries I found most interesting. I doubt the management has the cojones to leave this post up long. But whoever gets to see it, it should be interesting. I appreciate your candor in letting me know their attitude and the high regard the staff held me in, (did nothing in particular, but got banned on GP). No one
is safe with games like this being played by the moderators and condoned by the upper management. If it was a business, I'd close for remodeling.
[PM's aren't public! removed by Jannejt]
I'm wondering how long this will last. The staff doesn't dare leave it for long. They can't take the truth of their frivolous actions. Either that or someone was lying. I tend to trust Darthnip on this one, (retards?). LOL So, according to the info above, I was done in by Newbies, Retards, Morons, and whatever one wants to call the staff and moderators who were complicit in the banning.
@dRD and ketola
Be truly proud of your accomplishments, you have an excellent group of moderators. I suspect you couldn't find another group like them if you tried. ;) In truth there are probably a few good mods, but they didn't show it by being complicit in this fiasco.
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tocool4u
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This is why everyone worth anything is leaving AD. I also see several of our NEW SENIOR MEMBERS say rank doesn't matter. I guess thats the future of the forum. They have been here 6 months and expect more than members here for 3 years.
Oh so your saying i don't have a say in this because i am a "New Senior Member"...........Fist off like to say that Rank Does not matter TO ME......I don't give a shit on what anybody says about it.........I am sticking with my opinion....I don't care how long people have been here...I give them the same respect as people that are newbies.....6 months is more than enough to know the people on this site....I have met really great people here and really mean people.....But i still give them the same respect i would give a nice person....As long as they aren't flaming anyone....
I heard very nice things from your Jerry....Mods respect you,all the member do...You are like a veteren and a legend to the site......But i don't give certaint people more respect than other people....That isn't right.......I give them my best respect......
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Good point, show everyone respect. It's a two way street. The staff should respect members as well and not treat them in a cavalier manner as Darthnip explained happened here. Serving a person up as an example is ridiculous without just cause. No one could mention what was done wrong, except being on the wrong side of a clique that has formed on AD. I'm not claiming to be innocent as a babe. However, I brought nothing to the public forum. Others who have been involved have been blessed by some of the mods and appear to be untouchable. Sounds something like the reason brobear was made an example of and banned. Where are those examples? And the staff went along with the mods, and the mods that weren't for the banning didn't give a shit. Great way to do business. Keep up the good attitude and enjoy AD, you may recieve your reward in the "end".
brobear
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This is shit. Complete bullshit. Thats all i can say. Absolute crap.
Brobear im sorry to see you go.
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lets get things straight brobear, i never said you were banned just because of a bunch of whining, the whining had to spawn from somewhere and it was the things you were doing, like PM everyone with all this nonsense repeatedly. it was the complaints that kept coming in over and over, thats what lead to the end result. it was NOT just because a few people came whining. we listened, then researched the complaints, then followed thru with a corrective action. and just for the record, just because i didn't actually say to keep a PM private, thats why we call it a "PM". I have no problems publicly saying anything i've said in a PM to anyone, but come on man, posting it publicly just to keep this ridiculous crap going on and on is a bit silly.
everyone needs to just let it go before people start getting banned for keeping this situation rolling when it's a done deal.
sytyguy
i'd like to see you find one single instance where i've banned someone for no reason. you sir, are acting like an idiot. I had no reason at all to ban you, this situation upset a few people so i feel it's ok for them to vent a bit, it does a body good. i see no reason for you to keep throwing cheap shots at me, but go right ahead if you like, you are only giving reason to ban you and making yourself look like an idiot.
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I vote to close this thread, before the banning begins...
EDIT: Two addicts banned, One noob (former addict) and a suspension.
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closed. at least for now!
sytyguy, you got a 1 month ban from me, not from anybody else but me!!!!
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andmerr banned per his own, numerous requests, and for his actions in this thread.
Closing thread again. Can be opened again at moderators' discretion.
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I think the dust has settled, me thinks it should be safe now.
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Ireland: fancy meeting you here. I'm "Bitching" because it's un-American not to bitch.
My bitch: There should be a personal greeting/acknowledgement when you first sign-in/on to let you know you have signed-in/on. So, there!
Bitch about this why don't you (lyahf).
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I'm "Bitching" because it's un-American not to bitch.
Hehe, I admire the honesty! ;-)
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