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Minion
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8. June 2005 @ 18:50 |
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I personally Haven"t had any problems burning My DVD"s with DVDLab but some Poeple Have so it basicly depends on if your Burner is Compatible with the ASPI Burning Module...I like to use Nero to Burn the Video_TS folders anyways because for some reason I can fit a Little More on a DVD Burning with Nero....
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9. June 2005 @ 00:40 |
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Chubbers- download the GoCap tool from Plextor and use it to capture. It has more flex in cap settings. Forget Intervideo's dumb authoring technique, it re-encodes the whole project for the sake of compatiblity across all users skill level. If you switch to Dvd Lab your dvd creation time will also be reduced.
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9. June 2005 @ 07:52 |
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RebootJim, PFH, or Minion,
I have Roxio Easy Media Creator OEM software version for burning. That brings up a good question: which program creates the Video_TS files? Roxio or DVD Lab?
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9. June 2005 @ 10:03 |
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That's what an authoring program does. It creates the video and a separate audio ts folder during compiling leaving you with the original mpeg stream and a new properly structured dvd of that stream with any menus you've created. Dvd Lab does it this way but not sure about Roxio- never used it.
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chubbers
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9. June 2005 @ 13:31 |
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Minion,
What is GOP? I have seen this terminology used (i.e. I only, IPB, IP only)and have no idea what it is or why it is important. Can you give me a brief synopsis of what it is and what it means to the world of video editing/DVD making?
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9. June 2005 @ 14:49 |
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GOP is Group Of Pictures...usually made up of alternating P and B frames, with 1 I frame per every 18 frames in NTSC, and 15 frames in PAL.
P and B frames only contain HALF the video data. I frames contain all of it.
In most cases, you can only successfully edit an mpg on an I frame, unless the file get's re-encoded to adjust to the proper GOP.
If a GOP is non-standard in any way, some authoring programs won't accept it, and some standalone players won't play it.
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10. June 2005 @ 06:20 |
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pfh,
You have experience using Plextor's GoCap utility and with the ConvertX. I have the PX-TV402U. As you said in a previous post, it spits out AC3. I have downloaded the GoCap tool version 2.0.0.1. I played around with it and am wondering what to do with the GOP settings and size. Just let it go at the defaults? I need some direction in this matter, as I still have no idea what adjusting the GOP will do for me in regards to video quality, et cetera. In other words, please tell me what GOP settings/size to use in certain situations and why. Thank you.
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10. June 2005 @ 06:58 |
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pfh,
Does the ConvertX capture directly to mpeg2 with DVD specs? I am wondering.
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10. June 2005 @ 07:58 |
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As I explained above, NTSC GOP is 18 frames with 1 I frame. PAL GOP is 15 frames with 1 I frame.
You have the ConvertX, didn't it come with a manual? Something should tell you if it captures compliant D1 mpegs.
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10. June 2005 @ 08:12 |
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With the GoCap tool just leave the Gop at 15, check the dvd compliant box, check the custom dvd box if you want to max out the bitrates, and select IPB frames. Don't worry about 18 GOP size- it won't work. It's set at default of 15 because this unit ships world wide (Pal, Secam). Gop settings won't affect quality just compliancy. A NTSC dvd can have UP TO 18 GOP's but also less.
Maximize bitrates for quality............
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10. June 2005 @ 08:59 |
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10. June 2005 @ 10:55 |
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We don't need spam on this site. I hope management acts accordingly.
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chubbers
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10. June 2005 @ 11:50 |
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pfh,
Thanks for the clarification re GOP.
rebootjim,
The ConvertX came with a manual but it is very poor indeed. If it contains the answers to my questions, I could not understand it. Just as I did not become a pharmacist in a few short months, I also will not become completely adept at this video editing nor adequately understand all of the terminology in a few short months. There is a learning curve and I am trying.....Chubbers
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10. June 2005 @ 12:15 |
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Pfh or Minion,
You guys have worked with DVD Lab. Before I download it and give it a try, there is one thing I would like to know for certain. I wish to take some old home movies that are on super 8 film (the kind that goes in the old reel projectors)and videotape them with my camcorder (using a mirrored-coverter box). These are very old films with NO sound (circa late 1960's). After I have the films on my camcorder tape, I will feed the camcorder tape signal into my ConvertX and hardware encode to mpeg2 and then create a DVD. Herein lies the problem: I cannot silence the on-camera microphone on the camcorder so it is going to pick up the click-clack of the reel projector and any extemporaneous sounds in the room when the transfer is done. I wish to overwrite this native audio track (the camcorder audio of click clack)with music during the authoring of the DVD as well as ADD another audio track of narration for my home movie. I think DVD Lab studio version supports at least 2 audio tracks. Using DVD Lab studio version, will I be able to replace the click-clack native audio track with music AND add another seperate audio track of narration?
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10. June 2005 @ 13:02 |
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DVDLab Pro (you call it studio version) will allow you to eliminate any audio, add any audio, and have slectable multi-audio tracks.
Providing they are 48khz mp2 or AC3.
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10. June 2005 @ 13:22 |
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rebootjim
Yes. there are 3 versions of DVD Lab. Standard, Studio, and Pro version
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10. June 2005 @ 15:05 |
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Shows ya how often I look...
Anyhow. I have been using Pro V1.0 forever.
If you want music playing in the background of a vocal track, you will need to make that externally, in something like Goldwave, beforehand.
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11. June 2005 @ 12:39 |
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Hi, Guys I just wanted to Post a Comment in regard to a statement made by another Poster who said that the GOP Structure and Size has no effect on Quality Which isn"t True....
Of all of the Frames in a GOP the "I" frame is the Least Compressed Frame and the Frame that has the Highest Quality so if you have a Smaller GOP you will have More I Frames which Means that you will have More High Quality Low Compression frames which means that you can expect a slight Quality improvement with a Smaller GOP.....
For Regular Mpeg-2/DVD Encodeing I use a 12 Frame GOP and I seems to get Slightly better quality useing this smaller GOP ,I can Only really notice it when encodeing very low Quality Source Files...
When Doing Mpeg-2 Captures i like to use a 4 Frame GOP which seems to Improve the Capture Quality but has a Effect on the File Size....
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11. June 2005 @ 16:48 |
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12. June 2005 @ 22:15 |
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Minion: Good advice, with a caveat...
Not all standalone players will accept a non-standard GOP.
Not all authoring apps will accept a non-standard GOP.
I do part time work capturing 1152x864 mpeg-2 from specialized cams. This video is then used to catalog what's on the film. It needs specific frame accurate stop motion, thus I encode at a 1 frame GOP.
You can imagine the file sizes of a 4 hour video, at that aspect, and GOP, but the quality is better than DVD, at 17.6 minutes per DVDR5, and 33 minutes per dual layer.
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13. June 2005 @ 10:24 |
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I stand corrected on GOP and it's influence on quality....sorry.
But for now, just to get chubbers capturing with success I over simplified the discussion. Once you've acheived some comfort in the process then start adjusting the GOP size keeping in mind the caveat mentioned by reboot. You'll find the "sweet spot" based on movie lengths vs. fitting it all on one dvd5 disc and compliancy regarding authoring app and player that you use.
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14. June 2005 @ 07:08 |
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I hope this is kosher, but I want to know how best to transfer VHS onto DVD. Before posting, I perused this thread first, but this thread goes all the way back to 2-3 years ago! So, some of the options mentioned may be obselete by current standards. Currently, what is the easiest way to get VHS onto DVDs?
I have Nero 6, an HP Pentium 4, 80 GB HD, 512 Mb RAM, and a DVD burner. I've been able to capture video off of a DV camcorder fine, but I wanted to start transferring VHS to DVD. At one point, my option was to transferthe VHS to the DV camcorder, then from the DV camcorder to DVD. But I wonder if I could go directly from VHS to DVD. Can someone point me to a post that could help me out? Much obliged!
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14. June 2005 @ 08:00 |
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With only a single hard drive you may experience sync issues and other sundry problems. If you insist on using your computer then I'd suggest trying a Hauppauge 250 PCI card and author the mpeg with Dvd Lab.
Of course the easiest solution these days is a stand-alone dvd recorder but you lose flexibility with editing and authoring with menus and such.
I currently use a Plextor 402 Convertx USB 2.0 but I also have a separate 40 gig drive devoted to the work.
If you do choose computer then look for a HARDWARE capable mpeg capturing card and plenty of free drive space.
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14. June 2005 @ 08:44 |
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What follows are the steps I take to convert VHS tapes to DVD
1. Connect the S-Video and L/R audio outputs of your VCR to the
inputs of a Canopus ADVC-110 digital video converter.
http://www.canopus.us/US/products/ADVC110/pm_advc110.asp
Connect the IEE 1394 (Firewire) port of the ADVC-110 to the 1394
port on your computer.
1A. If you are copying a copy-protected VHS tape (for archival
purposes) you may need to insert a stabilizer between your VCR and
ADVC-110. I use the FacetVideo Clarifier, but cheaper products are
available. http://www.facetvideo.com
Note - I have since found out that the ADVC-100 (an earlier version
of the ADVC-110 can be put into a mode where it will eliminate the
copy protection spikes. If, during a copy, the ADVC-100 status
light comes on or blinks, you should press and hold the Input
Select button for about 10 seconds. After you have released the
button, and if the Digital In light is on, press the button once to
switch the input to Analog In. I do not know if the ADVC-110 has
this "feature".
2. Use Pinnacle Studio 9 to capture the digital video output and
store it as an AVI file. The AVI file will be about 13 GB in length
for each hour of video.
3. Use TMPGEnc XPress to cutedit the AVI file (only necessary if
you want to remove unwanted scenes or commercials)
http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/index.html
4. Use TMPGEnc XPress to transcode the AVI file to an MPEG file
which will fit on a DVD. If you purchase the Dolby Digital plug-in
(TMPGEnc Sound Plug-in AC-3), XPress can convert and compress the
audio to two-channel Dolby sound. For maximum video quality use two
pass VBR transcoding, which is a lengthy process and takes hours to
complete.
5. Use TMPGEnc DVD Author to create the DVD menu (if desired) and
chapters, and to burn the DVD.
6. Enjoy the DVD
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14. June 2005 @ 09:39 |
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pfh,
I read between the lines. For practical purposes, the GOP of 15 will suffice. That, coupled with Minion's advice should get me on my way to successful capturing. By the way, to answer a much previous post and question of yours regarding the Ulead OEM VideoStudio 8 that Plextor is now bundling with the ConvertX: I just received this software this past weekend and played around with it. According to Plextor AND my own experience with it, the software re-encodes, which makes it about as useful as the Intervideo junk Plextor previously bundled with their hardware. Plextor should be ashamed of themselves, but they love $$$. I downloaded DVD Lab Pro but have not had a chance to use it yet. I sure hope it comes through for me, as I have not yet seen a final DVD that I have burned that looked even AS GOOD as my original VHS sourcetape. That is kind of the point for buying a DVD burner and capture device: you want to get a final product AS GOOD as your original, if that is possible, which I am beginning to doubt.
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