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GUIDE: CONVERT PAL TO NTSC
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mwpfoto
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25. October 2005 @ 17:05 |
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Just another thought..again...
I remember that Nero asks you automatically if you want to change the source decoding when you import a file. If it finds that the file is encoded in PAL and you have the options set to NTSC, then it asks you if you want the output to be in NTSC, or have it remain in PAL format.
I wonder, since I have Nero as my automatic burning program linked to DVDShrink, if when I re-encode the PAL region 2 dvd to remove the region code, the macro, and reduce the VOBs to fit on a DVD4 disc, when it uses Nero to autromatically burn if it will prompt me to re=code in NTSC??
If this will work, then it will be the simple way to do the conversion. What say anyone?
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moonrocks
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25. October 2005 @ 21:20 |
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Nero won't re-encode PAL video to NTSC. Software conversions from PAL to NTSC are do-able but in my experience aren't worth the time/effort when a simple hardware solution will give you want you want.
There are inexpensive DVD players like the CyberHome CH-DVD 300 player that will play and convert PAL DVD's to NTSC. These are low quality DVD players and probably have a life span of only 2 years or so.
That being said I've been using a CH-DVD 300 for a year and a half now and have been very happy with it. I use it for all my region 2 PAL DVD's and it generates a very decent image. You can buy the CyberHome CH-DVD 300 for around $35 at places like Best Buy . If it dies tomorrow I won't feel cheated. I'll just pick up another one! For the price you can't go wrong.
http://www.cyberhome.com/products.asp?Product=300&Page=downloads
If you want a higher quality unit that may last a few years longer try something like the Malata.
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/hardwarereviews/malata-856.htm
If you really want to do a software conversion you'll need to convert the framerate from 25 fps to 29.97 fps (DGPulldown) and convert the video resolution from 720x576 to 720x480. I don't think it's worth the trouble, but here are some guides if you want to try it:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert#4;41
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mwpfoto
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25. October 2005 @ 21:26 |
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I appreciate the info.
But...why then does Nero ask me if i want to convert the PAL material to NTSC or leave it as PAL if it can't do the conversion???????
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mwpfoto
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25. October 2005 @ 21:27 |
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Oh,I forgot..this link says you CAN convert:
PAL-ntsc/tutorial.html" class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.teaching-tools.com/hosted/nero-PAL-ntsc/tutorial.html
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moonrocks
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26. October 2005 @ 07:47 |
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I stand corrected, although I've never used it I think NeroVision 3, which comes with the newer version of Nero may actually convert PAL to NTSC. The standard Nero Burning software didn't do it. So, you're right, you may be able to convert it to NTSC with your Nero package.
Experiment with it if you like but I'd be very surprised if it did a good job. Usually the one-click software conversions like this give very sketchy results. The times I've done the software conversion I've demuxed the audio and video, then ran the video through DGPulldown to convert the framerate and then used TMPGEnc to re encode to 720x480. Even then, sometimes I got good results and sometimes not so good. In high action scenes you might notice some jumpiness in the video. Audio sync problems pop up occassionally too.
I still think you'd be better off with a standalone DVD player that handled both PAL and NTSC. They're not that expensive. I never spend the time doing PAL to NTSC conversions anymore. But give Nero a shot and if you're happy with the result thats all that matters.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. October 2005 @ 07:50
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mwpfoto
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26. October 2005 @ 08:13 |
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Well, I have only time to loose if I try Nero. I see that there are many dvd players that can do the conversion. They range from around $30. to around $140. for a low to mid end player. Not much of an investment, except that this is the first European dvd I've bought, as most of my other foreign purchases are from Asia where they use NTSC. I already have, beside cheap bedroom dvd players, a VHS/DVD Recorder combo, and a Pioneer region-free dvd player as my main units. I guess, since my Pioneer is 5 years old (but no probs) I could upgrade to a region-free progessive scan PAL to NTSC player and have it all in one....heck, i could prob get 1/2 of what I paid for the new player if I sold the Pioneer on Craigslist, as it was a $500. player when I bought it.
Just one more Q. Some people have already posted links to a couple PAL to NYTSC r-free players. If I shop around for the fairly cheap one's (like the Dawoo) not considering the life-span (of a $30. player) but how do the PAL to NTSC converters differ in quality from player to player ??? Would playing a PAL disk on a cheap player be fairly true to the orginal, or what price or makers seem to be the cut-off for watchable quality??
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mwpfoto
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26. October 2005 @ 08:18 |
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Dear Moonrocks..
Just re-checked the link you gave for the cyberhome dvd player. Nowhere does it mention that it is region-free (you said you play region 2 disks) is this the player you are using, or is this player a region 2 player (only) ????? Thanks
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moonrocks
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26. October 2005 @ 16:04 |
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Yes, I'm using the Cyberhome CH-DVD 300. It is region free. It plays any region as well as PAL and NTSC. Out of the box you will probably get an error the first time you try to play a region 2 DVD. There is a very simple hack you use with the remote to enable the all-region capabilities of this player.
As far as quality of playback I would rate it as very good. You won't notice any degradation of image when playing either PAL or NTSC DVD's. The only shortcoming of this player is the lifespan, which doesn't bother me given the price. My Cyberhome has been playing both NTSC region 1 and PAL region 2 DVD's for well over a year now and I'll buy another as soon as this one dies.
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mwpfoto
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26. October 2005 @ 16:26 |
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Ok...if I try to find one (the dvd player)..how do you hack it. And is it a one time hack, or do I have to do this every time turn it on, or change codes??
Thanks
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moonrocks
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26. October 2005 @ 18:15 |
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This is a one time hack. Turn the Cyberhome player on. Make sure there is no DVD in the DVD tray, close the tray and with the remote press menu, 1, 9.
A menu will appear, use the arrow keys to navigate down and enter region code 0.
From then on the Cyberhome CH-DVD 300 will be region free. Even after powering it off the Cyberhome won't need the hack again.
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mwpfoto
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28. October 2005 @ 08:08 |
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Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
I would like an upsate though if anyone is trying to use the DVDShrink/NERO conversion method, as my DVd is delayed from Fr. and I won't expect it until late next week..
Please post any results here...Thanks
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qwik3r2
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28. October 2005 @ 21:41 |
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how exactly is the quality with vso DivX to dvd? I mean is it noticably bad? Also with procoder are we talking like 10+ hours? Because i'm using TMPGEnc to convert stuff (not PAL to ntsc) and its like friggen 11 hours on 2pass vbr. I have a p4 1.7ghz gateway, not the best but its ok.
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mwpfoto
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31. October 2005 @ 15:11 |
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GREAT NEWS EVERONE ON THIS THREAD!!!
I just got my Fr. PAL region 2 dvd. I used DVDShrink to disable region code and compress and used the automatic "burn with NEROVISION option....and it's PERFECT!!!! (I used the Nero PAL> NTSC guide to set video parameters to: NTSC, Progressive, Automatic quality, Fast single pass, and LPCM....
It is perfect in every waqy, sharp, great collor, No ficker, or rolling..I guess my new DVD player goes back to C City!
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aaxxell
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2. November 2005 @ 05:04 |
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Before...Sorry 4 the translate I use google bc Im a canadian girl fr!!!:)
This new method will allow you encoder your DivX in MPEG1 (VCD) or MPEG2 (SVCD) simpement and more surely without having to reprocess the sound with the precondition Moreover this method can also apply to the XviD files, and yet one all the same will use TMPGEnc here also but by associating it the VirtuaDub program
I promise you ::::HE NEVER COME OUT of sinc!!!!!
Once these two programs décompressé each one in a quite distinct file, you will have to install the "manager of waiter of frame", then go in the file of VirtualDub and double-click on AuxSetup.exe:
click on Install handler
after other(windows) click ok
and again...:)
and it is finished for the installation of VirtualDub. Now, thus let us make a small adjustment in TMPGEnc Start TMPGEnc while double-clicking on TMPGEnc.exe and close the assistant on Option=>Préférences of environment then click on the mitre Plug-in VFAPI Faîtes a clic-right on Lecteur DirectShow Multimedia and click on High Proprieté
Repeat this operation so necessary in order to obtain the same adjustments that on the image above Voila, it is finished for the installation and the adjustments, thus let us pass to the continuation...
CREATION OF the WAITER OF FRAME Launch VirtualDub.exe and open video DivX or XviD while going on video File=>Open slips by
once your video open on VirtualDub, first of all, go on File=>Information
in order to know in how much frame a second (fps) your video was encodé, it is noted on the 1st line,
note your result which is significant because it is him which will define Template later to be chosen with TMPGEnc then made File=>Start frame server
to obtain this,
there click just on Start (the name indicated does not have any importance)
and now you will record a vdr file:
this file will be used to you to delude TMPGEnc and will thus allow you to create a file MPEG (VCD/SVCD or even DVD-Video) without any concern. Once the recorded file, you will obtain this window which you will place in a corner of your office without closing it...
... and that until the end of your encoding which will be done with TMPGEnc, therefore let us pass to the continuation.
The ENCODING the preceding stage you A can be appeared long but once accustomed, at the end of two or troix encodings for example, you will see that it will take only 2 minutes to you. Good the continuation, now go in the file of TMPGEnc, double-click on TMPGEnc.exe and close the assistant
click on seach opposite Video Source
there, in Files of the type, put All the files(*. *) and select the vdr file which you have to create presently. And here is, TMPGEnc is deluded and all functions as with a true file AVI. If you wish it, you cannot choose a different repertory of exit for the final file while clicking on Parcourir opposite File Left (by defect it is the same repertory as the file charged) It but does not remain you any more to choose your Template
and it is there that you will choose good Template according to the fps of your video raised with the whole beginning
The principal adjustments of your Template will apparaitront in the box in bottom Maintenant that Template was selectionné, you can, either to launch the encoding of continuation while clicking on Lancer in top on the left of TMPGEnc, or to refine the adjustments before launching the encoding while clicking on Paramčtres and while going on the Expert mitre
The more there will be options notched and the more the duration of the encoding will be lengthened and very sincerely I do not know if the play is worth of it really the candle. Once your adjustments refined, to click on Lancer And here, it is finished, it does not remain you more that to arm you with patience bus according to the power of your PC, that can be more or less long but the result is guaranteed
And after that, it any more but does not remain you to engrave in VCD or SVCD or DVD
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aaxxell
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2. November 2005 @ 05:14 |
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I forgot He work'S for DVD to!!!!:)
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mwpfoto
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2. November 2005 @ 07:46 |
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2nd update on PAL>NTSC
I made a 2nd dvd which is even better.
First I setup the video parameters in NEROVISION EXPRESS, BEFORE using DVDShrink (somehow, Nero doesn't let me convert straight from the DVDShrink VOB folder so I have to run them (the VOBs already on the HD) thru DVDShrink again.
(However, this only takes a short time as DVDShrink has already done the analysis)
I set up the Nero Video options to "NTSC" output, Automatic quality, "Progessive", and..in spite of the web tutorial, I used the 2 pass option.
Now in DVDShrink, I opted to burn the main movie on one DVD and the "extras" on a 2nd DVD. This also improved th quality. (IF you have a DVD9 burner, and double-layer disk, you can burn one a single disk) So, first set up Nero, then use DVDShrink "backup" from either disk or files. (IF you have PAL VOB or AVI files Nero will automatically convert)
The result was just about 1st gen DVD quality, with absolutly no rolling, flicker, or artifacts....
All of those people who have posted very complicated ways to do the conversion, please try this method, nad you will be kicking yourself for not finding this out sooner!
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hollafam
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3. November 2005 @ 08:09 |
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so what if i have 3 parts to the movie will vso do all 3 at the same time
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chowda22
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3. November 2005 @ 12:57 |
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Hey guys. For all of you looking to convert your movie files from PAL to NTSC, or vice versa, I came across a small, yet extremely useful little program a while back that works wonders most of the time.
I'm sure some have heard about it, and many more haven't, but if you're looking to convert PAL to NTSC, try using VOB Blanker. All you need to do is have the movie on your hard disk in the VIDEO_TS format, and load up your *.IFO in the input folder in VOB Blanker. Now, right click on every PAL-format entry that comes up in the top window, and set the standard to NTSC. Now all you gotta do is select an output folder, and you're ready to go. The whole process takes about 15 minutes or so for a standard 4.5gb dvd movie.
I actually discovered VOB Blanker in a different thread, so if you need to know more I'm sure there's more out there. You can download at: http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/
Hope this helps.
-- chowda
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mwpfoto
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4. November 2005 @ 07:53 |
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I am sure Video Blanker works, but assuming you already have the VOB files on the HD then NEROVISION will do the conversion on the fly and burn automatically. The process might take longer than 15 minutes, but it is also quick, simple and excellent quality and I am also inc the burn time.
Of course, if you are ripping a DVD9 disk, and or region 2, then you have to use a program like DVDShrink anyway, and since it is linked to Nero, why bother using another program...IMO.
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foofyter
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5. November 2005 @ 14:00 |
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I used DivXtoDVD to make a video_ts folder with the .VOB files, but when I goto burn it onto a dvd, its way too big to fit. DivXtoDVD is set for a DVD5 format, but I'm still getting extremely large files. How can I fix this issue?
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mwpfoto
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5. November 2005 @ 15:47 |
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Why don't you just use Nero? It converts most video files to dvd, and if the files are too big to fit on a dvd 4.7 disc, it will automatically ask you if you want to reduce the size to fit on a standard disk. albeit, the reduced resolution will mean some loss of quality, but I don't know of any software that can compress without some quality loss.
another way is to have Nero convert the files to VOB and then instead of burning them, store on your HD and run it throught DVDShrink which will then compress the files. To keep max res. burn the main movie on one disc, and any extras you want on another disk. DVDShrink lets you do this, and re-author the whole dvd as well if you want. Hope this helps.
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foofyter
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6. November 2005 @ 11:49 |
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Well, I converted my first PAL dvd to NTSC using DivXtoDVD, and it came out horrible! The quality was vhs, and the picture was this small square that didnt even take up all of my tv screen. Does anyone know a way around this problem or is that just what I can expect from trying to do this process?
Any success stories and solutions would be greatly appreciated!
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mwpfoto
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6. November 2005 @ 14:44 |
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Please read my other posts...The dvds I have burned using NEROVISION, and if necessary, DVDShrink made a copy that fit on a reg. DVD-R disc, and the quality was virtually identical to the original. Of course, if you are connverting non-VOB files like AVIs the quality can only be as good as the source.
If you are trying to rip and burn a PAL dvd movie, please use the options I suggested. First, use DVDShrink to remove the region code, macro. Then set the NEROVISION video options as mentioned before. Let DVDShrink do all the work, and burn automatically with NEROVISON. If you want higher quality, burn onlt the main movie on one std. DVD-R, and the extras, if needed on a 2nd disk. I can't say enough about the sheer simplicity and quality of this method. The time is also only about an hr. or so for the conversion and burn of a movie, 3 hrs if you want all the extras.
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foofyter
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6. November 2005 @ 16:37 |
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the disc I have is only the movie and main menu, no extras. Its in PAL format. I have gotten a copy of nerovision, but how do I take the movie and basically duplicate it into NTSC format without making a new menu with nerovision? I have read the previous posts but I dont need to take out extras or anything like that.
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mwpfoto
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6. November 2005 @ 18:34 |
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Go th this website...it is an animated tutorial to convert PAL to NTSC using NEROVISION. BTW: I used the quality 2-pass option instead of the 1-pass, and it still worked. I presume with a bit higher quality:
PAL-ntsc/tutorial.html" class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.teaching-tools.com/hosted/nero-PAL-ntsc/tutorial.html
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