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PlayStation 3 vs. Xbox 360, a general talk thread.
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 06:40 |
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Uh dood - I still want my PS3 to have all PSE'e intact so I don't have to send it in case one breaks down.
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Electronic News: What happens if one of the cores blows on the Sony Playstation 3 if there are only seven to start with?
Reeves: It?s just like a reliability failure on your TV or DVD recorder. If it?s within warranty, you send it back. If it?s not, your game doesn?t work anymore.
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10. July 2006 @ 06:45 |
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exactly. and they will burn in the chips to see what ones would fail after some hard use to decrease risk. everything has that change os something failing, be it in your tv or computer, even in your car. but ibm builds strong and i trust them with a chip.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 06:50 |
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How will this burn in process affect supply at launch?
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10. July 2006 @ 07:16 |
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it will effect the durability, by ridding the lot of bad chips. it will help prevent a launch catastrophe.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 07:37 |
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So you're saying we'll have less supply at launch.
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10. July 2006 @ 08:07 |
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no. but im saying burning in will produce more confirmed working units but will cost more. not doing so, if there is a flaw, the chip will fail and we'll have something to rival what the 360 when thru in its begining. but you have to notice everything goes thru these risks no matter what it is, but the 360 was scarcely tested and look what happend, another beta released to the public from microsoft.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 08:13 |
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But if they get rid of the bad chips there will be less number of chips = less number of consoles. And you said it will cost more so does that mean there's still a chance the $600 price tag will go up? Is it confirmed that Sony will be going through this burning in process of quality control? If so - will it increase the cost of the console? Will it push back the launch? Or will they launch with less number of consoles?
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10. July 2006 @ 08:17 |
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i love devil's advocates..usually only when i'm being one.
if you get rid if the bad chips, you save building an entire faulty ps3. it only cost more to burn in for however much electricity it takes to test the chips for a few minutes. its only dollars per batch of about 1000. thats not significant enught to effect the price.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 08:21 |
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So if it does not increase the cost this extra quality control step will decrease the initial supply as it weeds out the bad chips and you end up with less working chips for manufacture. I think this is what you're saying right?
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10. July 2006 @ 08:23 |
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yes. but this is not negative. would you want to get a ps3 only to return it? maybe even several times? ms did not do these testings, and it failed them with overheating. sony will do these testings, and if the batch i good, there wont be too much of a loss. the loss i neded for quality tho.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 08:27 |
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How much do you think this will affect their projected launch numbers?
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10. July 2006 @ 08:31 |
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i doubt it will be a noticable effect. most chip that pass the first inspection pass burn-in's, and the rate of processor production already probably outweighs the ps3 as a whole in production, so it would not effect at all.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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eatsushi
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10. July 2006 @ 08:46 |
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I'm still worried about that 10 - 20 percent yield. I hope I get a unit with all 8 SPE's intact. It would be intersting to see what the actual clock speed will be at launch.
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dnglebry
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10. July 2006 @ 08:59 |
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Hi my name is Anubis and i think Sony is God. That is what all your posts whould be prefaced with.You cant even let yourself acknowledge any flaws in any product that sony makes. If sony was so great at test running their systems why did they have to recall ALL slim ps2's once they were released due to what????ding ding you got it OVERHEATING. GET off the bashing MS if your not seeing both sides. YEs MS had a suspect launch and if i was one to get a crappy/broekn console i would be heated! but all you do is find negatives for MS and make excuses for sony NEVER truly seeing both sides. YOu cant be a demcorat if you dont know what a republican is...get to learning!
SERIOUSLY THE WAY YOU ARE IS WHY FLAMEWARS START...it just instigates MS fans.People atleast know that i dislike sony but i admit the flaws in what MS has done.MS fans come here to see whas up with the competition and then see people doing things like you and bringing up MS at every corner and only in a negative way and always PRASING SONY!!!
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10. July 2006 @ 09:50 |
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excuse me, but this is the ps3 forum if im not mistaken. i've done enought research on both sides, and i've come to a conclusion which is better. the slim i know nothing of because i think its pretty lame and i dont own one. my friends who have one those never reported any falures or anything.
and why did you even say this? i was discussing the cell and how the tests go and how all that works. i will ask you nicely to stop nit-picking me for things so insignificant. mature up, act your age.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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dnglebry
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10. July 2006 @ 10:17 |
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DO NOT insult me when trying to be politely ask me something you reject!ive said i'll stop debating with you ...
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10. July 2006 @ 10:58 |
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lets move on, i would love to be able to talk pro-ps3 in a ps3 forum.
any new news? i doubt.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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oofRome
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10. July 2006 @ 14:58 |
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I hope I get a unit with all 8 SPE's intact.
one spe is disabled no matter what.
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10. July 2006 @ 15:03 |
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well it would help prevent you from returning your ps3 if one failed and you only had 7.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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10. July 2006 @ 23:40 |
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i am definately getting an extended warrenty...
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11. July 2006 @ 00:55 |
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me too, to be safe.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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11. July 2006 @ 03:09 |
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hey guys read this. its a pretty interesting interview that i think you should read. check it.
http://news.spong.com/article/10379/Massive+Leaked+Internal+PlayS...
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Q22. Can you enjoy Progressive images with PS and PS2 titles ?
A22. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts interlace to Progressive images (upward conversion is done by the PS3 system).
this is nice to know. its an HDTV tuner aswell.
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Q21. There were 2 HDMI ports in your original announcement, but why does the 60GB PS3 have only 1 HDMI port ?
A21. Because standardization of image output over the network such as DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) is currently under way, it will become possible to transfer images to multiple displays in ways other than using the HDMI port. It is also possible to connect PSP through the network as a secondary display and enjoy PS3 content remotely (although it depends on the software).
i was right about the psp remotely accessing and using files, music, and pics over lan.
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Q31. You mention that PS3 adopts a breakthrough six-axis sensing system that lets you control intuitively as if the controller has become part of your body. How does this work ?
A31. "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, plus "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time (no more specific details to be given).
theres the motion sensing in a nutshell.
theres alot more info in the link too.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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JudyChick
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11. July 2006 @ 04:42 |
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This is actually a "leaked Q&A" which would lead you to analyze the stuff more carefully. I'd like to know who was answering these questions because some of his assertions need more explanation.
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Q2. How can users connect PS3 to TV without HDMI output ?
A2. PS3 supports most displays via the AV multi output. Visual quality through AV multi output is comparable to that through HDMI.
Visual quality thru AV multi-out comparable to HDMI????
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Q12. Will the network service be charged ?
A12. Basic services available free for current PCs will be free of charge but content and specific services will be charged from the beginning.
I guess we'll have to pay for content and specific services after all.
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Q23. Can you enjoy full HD PS3 software content with a standard TV ?
A23. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts 1080p to 720p (downward conversion is done by the PS3 system).
He didn't answer the question. The guy was asking about standard TV (480i/p) not downconverting to 720p. 720p is still high-def not standard tv.
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Q38. How much is the estimated price range of the software titles for PS3 ? Is it the same price as PS2 ?
A38. As a platform holder, we are not in a position to comment on this. As a first party title developer/publisher, we assume a wider price range since software can be delivered through various media including packaged discs and network.
Opening the door for $70 - $80 price tag for new releases on BD25's.
There are some interesting and useful info in the article but remember the first part:
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You can make of it what you will:
Also read the Comments at the end.
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dnglebry
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11. July 2006 @ 09:11 |
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its just going to be a prefernce thing and luckily sony has by far the most loyal fans out of the 3 consoles. Graphics will be a wash because any mulit-console game will look identical for the 360 and the ps3...example at the bottom.like 75% of the games that sell well are multiconsole i dont think exclusives will weigh heavily in spelling success.All noteworthy sports games are multiconsole,gta is for both ps3 and 360,smackdown vs raw as well,call of duty too(which btw won game of the year). the top selling games are generally multiconsole...and as for exclusvies the ones that have killer sales numbers usually even out i.e for mgs theirs halo and mario and the list goes on. WHile sony may have more good exclsuives they arent titles that are for the average gaming fan. ALl my specualtion so feel free to question me.
call of duty looks idetical for both consoles..cough cough game of the year cough cough. another one of my opinons im sure many people will disagree with is that the 360 has MANY a great titles that it shares with the PC but the ps3 doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell in getting so while it may not be a true exclusives they are games that are exclsuive to console owners meaning owners of consoles can only get that game for the 360 and not the other consoles. Games like prey which is being ranted and raved about as changing the fps gaming world... oterh killer upcoming titles such as f.e.a.r which is coming to the 360(already on p.c) and bioshock will only be available to the pc and 360
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11. July 2006 @ 10:14 |
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@dngl
ever stop to wonder why sony has loyal fans? because hey make a nice prouduc. they dont like the ps2 and ps3 jus cuz hey feel loyal, but because they enjoyed the product.
i never got to play fear, i have it but my 5200 wont take it. i heard its nice, but its not gunna make people buy it just for it. issnt the sequel of fear a ps3 exclusive?
also, cod looks he same on both because its the same game. you have to compare exclusives to eachoher. its no more than apples and oranges right now untill devs master each sysem (about 2 years).
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I guess we'll have to pay for content and specific services after all.
we knew this, they said it. he says things that a pc gets free they offer free. this means an internet browser, demos, online play, and all those things free.
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Opening the door for $70 - $80 price tag for new releases on BD25's.
he was saying tha the differences are there between opical media and over-the-nexwork media to have different prices, never stating an exorbiant price possibility.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
PS3 Username: Anubis66
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