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Blu-ray dominates disc sales post-Warner decision
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article published on 17 January, 2008
For the week ending January 13th, the first full week following Warner's decision to go Blu-ray exclusive, the Blu-ray camp had its most dominating disc sales week.
Since the beginning of 2007 Blu-ray has outsold HD DVD by an average of nearly 2:1 but the week in question saw the gap get even further. Blu-ray took a dominating 85 percent share of all HD discs sold.
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19. January 2008 @ 13:33 |
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Mabye because BR owns half or more o the market it is doing so well and HDVD has not released a big title this year.
why is this news? :P
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Originally posted by Amir89:
hughjars, it looks like juankerr there just completely ruined your arguement.
- No, it doesn't "ruin" anything.
Only the most shallow appreciation of all the facts could lead to that simplistic conclusion.
The facts still stand.
They are that in almost 2 years Blu-ray (by the BDA's own recent numbers) have sold 6 million movie discs to HD DVDs a little less than 3 million movie discs.
In a total movie disc market of 750 million + in 2007 alone.
6 & 3 million compared to 750 million+.
You guys can choose to pretend those numbers don't matter if you like but that doesn't make it so.
It's obviously 'drop in the ocean' stuff for both formats.
The arrogant delusions of grandeur some of the blu-ray fanclub insist on in this is so clearly just empty rhetoric & bombast, nothing more.
Originally posted by Amir89:
I'm a fanboy? Riiight.
- Given your next comment quite possibly.
Originally posted by Amir89:
so why are you desperately patrolling the AD forums
- If that isn't pure self-important projection I don't know what is.
I'm not "patrolling" anything.
Originally posted by Amir89:
attacking anyone that supports Blu-Ray in the slightest?
- Ooops. Your paranoia is showing.
Putting either the other side of the coin or a more complete picture is hardly "attacking".
Mind you, when the Blu-ray side start their usual BS it's always a bit of fun puncturing their obvious & ludicrously puffed-up nonsense.
Originally posted by Amir89:
Blu-Ray has 70% of the home video market
- Er, no it doesn't.
They only have well under 2% of the video market.
But you make my point for me, thanks.
That kind of obvious and absurd delusion is symptomatic of how this 'debate' is conducted by some.
Originally posted by Amir89:
and is going to become the dominant format.
HD is done for.
- Blah blah blah.
Another fortune teller who thinks 6 million sales in a market that sees over 750 million sales p.a. proves something beyond doubt.
Not yet it doesn't.
It's clearly far far too early and the numbers are far far too tiny to be making any such claims.
(tho of course the usual Blu-ray tactic of trying to always talk up BD & run down & slam HD DVD is all that this is really about)
Originally posted by Amir89:
especially since Paramount said they will reserve the right to switch their backing for HD at any time.
- Despite all the claims, inuendo and predictions Paramount haven't done a thing.
Paramount continue to support HD DVD exclusively.
Just like Universal.
Even though the Blu-ray side have been preaching that they have an escape clause or are out of contract.
Frankly if I was you I'd be more concerned about Warner not having signed a contract to do anything later this year.
Post-dated cheques are rarely very trustworthy.
Especially as their stated aim
(to encourage a single optical disc movie format)
has very clearly failed and HD DVD hardware sales are rocketing since the recent price drop.
Originally posted by Amir89:
Their just waiting to see how much more profit BD will make
- Oh dear, not too consistent about this are we, huh?
So you think they can walk at any time since WB left.
We know that they have 1 years experience of making Blu-ray movies and you claim that they would enjoy extra sales if they did walk but for some reason they're not doing because.....?
What, exactly?
Originally posted by Amir89:
and how more many sales they squeeze out of HD-DVD and then jumping on the bandwagon as soon as figures look good.
- But you began this by telling me how the Nielson numbers told us all there aren't the sales to be had anyways.
Try & make your mind up.
Originally posted by Amir89:
There's even rumours MS could possibly incorporate Blu-Ray into the 360 in the future...
- Another (regularly repeated) Blu-ray day-dream.
Just like Universal going blu.
It's all just talking up the BS, from the side that has made BS it's stock-in-trade in this, nothing more.
Originally posted by Amir89:
Irregardless of whether the public is aware or even cares, BD has technically won
- LMAO.
Whatever you need to tell yourself.
6 million discs in a market of 750 million discs.
They haven't 'won' anything - except the PS3 market which they could hardly lose in.
Originally posted by Amir89:
it'll just take some time before you start seeing more and more Blu-Ray titles and players flooding the market.
- Er no.
They will be completely reliant on the PS3 for many more months - possibly the whole of 2008.
There is no sign of a proper range of fully spec'd 'profile 2.0' players - nevermind the 'profile 2.0' discs.
It has taken them long enought to produce 1 Blu-ray stand-alone player that can be updated to 'profile 1.1' and rollout the PS3 update to do similar.
If 'profile 2.0' is as delayed as 'profile 1.1' was then you can forget it this year.
Originally posted by Amir89:
Sure it takes time for newer formats to pick up and prices to fall, but Blu-Ray won't require the 3-4 years DVD's needed to become a recognised format.
- That's just semantics.
It was a "recognised format" the day it went on sale in the PS3.
That's not the same as it being a video format in demand in the a/v mainstream mass-market.
But of course Blu-ray isn't at all helped by not having any stand-alone players even close to being in the a/v mainstream mass-market.
Originally posted by Amir89:
Everyone has a PC and DVD Player these days.
Most of the general public is much more aware of optical technology than people were in the 1990's, and thanks to strong campaigning from Sony (PS3), movie studios and in general, word of mouth. I'd say give it a few more months and you'll see Blu-Ray start to take a dominant stance.
- Riiiiight.
So you're trying to say that from being stuck as a game console thing Blu-ray will suddenly blossom into the a/v mass-market even though they haven't got an players in that market?
It's funny cos from starting this with claims that they are dominating everything, the regulation 'we already won' claim and a few laughably inaccurate comments about Blu-ray having 70% of the video market you're ending this with claims that in a few more months everything will be over.
Like I said consistency isn't much of a strong point, eh?
Looks like your accuracy is pretty lacking too.
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Originally posted by hughjars:
LMAO
Tough luck Blu-ray fanboys, HD DVD isn't going away anywhere.
The 2nd & 3rd largest Hollywood srtudios are staying with HD DVD despite all your day-dreams that any second now they're about to walk
(whatever happened to all those desperately repeated hoary old tales of escape clauses & being out of contract, huh?)
It's quite laughable really, HD DVD holds around 38 - 40% of the market and yet the PS3/Blu-ray chorus all want it to be dead and go away.
Which is quite interesting seeing as neither Blu-ray nor PS3 have even reached anything like close to the 38 - 40% market share level (compared to their supposed main competitors in the overall movie disc market and the game console market).
They're obviously not too good at this 'being consistent' business, eh?
(Hade, your rambling tirades are amusing to a point but so full of holes & the usual fanboy exaggeration & blindness it's not funny anymore.)
hughjars - literally ever article in these forums that shows the slightest information positive or negative regarding BD you immediately come in slamming BD and praising HD-DVD. I get it - you're a fan of HD-DVD, you made your decision. Great. Can you move on? I think that you have some good basic knowledge of the format war but after reading your posts it?s a bit difficult to take anything you say seriously b/c your opinion is so heavily biased.
Also, when you state that PS3 sales don't count toward BD disc players you?re really just arguing a mute point, don't you think? Does it matter if consumers are watching their BD movies on PS3 or stand-alone units? Ultimately either option results in another sale for BD, right? The PS2 for a lot of folks was their first DVD player; similarly the PS3 is a lot of people?s first BD player. Where's the problem? And save the insults please.
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Originally posted by jagstilv:
Can you move on?
- Move on what?
I'm as entitled to put a view and state facts as much as the next guy.....do you ever see me trying to tell people not to express their opinions?
It might have escaped your attention but these are open public message boards.
Jeez without one or 2 others here it'd be one long love-in for Blu-ray but I have never said anyone with a contrary view view should shut up and move on.
WTF are you on about?
Originally posted by jagstilv:
Also, when you state that PS3 sales don't count toward BD disc players
- Is English not your 1st language or something?
If you look at what I actually said I said I am very happy to count PS3s as Blu-ray players.
That does not make them a stand-alone device and it is therefore perfectly correct that they do not count when comparisons are made between the various stand-alone devices.
In a similar was that HD DVD laptop/notepads are not stand-alone HD DVD devices and should not count as stand-alone devices when comparisons are made between the various stand-alone devices.
Is that really that difficult to grasp?
Originally posted by jagstilv:
you?re really just arguing a mute point
- The word is "moot", actually.
.....and no I do not think it is moot to be comparing like with like.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
Does it matter if consumers are watching their BD movies on PS3 or stand-alone units?
- When high def has yet to scratch the surface of the a/v mainstream mass-market then yes, of course it matters enormously.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
Ultimately either option results in another sale for BD, right?
- If the PS3 was as easily interchangeable for a stand-alone player as the Blu-ray fanclub want to make out then there'd be some merit in that view; sadly the attachment rates prove beyond doubt that that is not the case.
The PS3 is not making huge inroads into the a/v mass-market.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
The PS2 for a lot of folks was their first DVD player
- In some instances that might be true but I've honestly yet to enter the home where the PS2 was ever the 'main' DVD player.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
And save the insults please.
- What insults?
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hughjars
I believe your zeal blinds you the PS3 IS making inroads for A/V but on a console standpoint, I would counter point your other statments but man...sometimes you remind me of the blu boy 0-o
try harder to remove the retorhic and stick wit the current facts.
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19. January 2008 @ 17:49 |
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Originally posted by jagstilv:
Can you move on?
- Move on what?
I'm as entitled to put a view and state facts as much as the next guy.....do you ever see me trying to tell people not to express their opinions?
It might have escaped your attention but these are open public message boards.
Jeez without one or 2 others here it'd be one long love-in for Blu-ray but I have never said anyone with a contrary view view should shut up and move on.
WTF are you on about?
Originally posted by jagstilv:
Also, when you state that PS3 sales don't count toward BD disc players
- Is English not your 1st language or something?
If you look at what I actually said I said I am very happy to count PS3s as Blu-ray players.
That does not make them a stand-alone device and it is therefore perfectly correct that they do not count when comparisons are made between the various stand-alone devices.
In a similar was that HD DVD laptop/notepads are not stand-alone HD DVD devices and should not count as stand-alone devices when comparisons are made between the various stand-alone devices.
Is that really that difficult to grasp?
Originally posted by jagstilv:
you?re really just arguing a mute point
- The word is "moot", actually.
.....and no I do not think it is moot to be comparing like with like.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
Does it matter if consumers are watching their BD movies on PS3 or stand-alone units?
- When high def has yet to scratch the surface of the a/v mainstream mass-market then yes, of course it matters enormously.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
Ultimately either option results in another sale for BD, right?
- If the PS3 was as easily interchangeable for a stand-alone player as the Blu-ray fanclub want to make out then there'd be some merit in that view; sadly the attachment rates prove beyond doubt that that is not the case.
The PS3 is not making huge inroads into the a/v mass-market.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
The PS2 for a lot of folks was their first DVD player
- In some instances that might be true but I've honestly yet to enter the home where the PS2 was ever the 'main' DVD player.
Originally posted by jagstilv:
And save the insults please.
- What insults?
Actually Spanish was my first language, thanks for asking! I can see it was foolish to try talking any sense with you, but I had to try. Anyway enjoy your HD-DVD player and I'll enjoy my BD player... I mean my PS3 that is not a stand-alone BD player. Oh, and I almost forgot here's a great link to the National Anger Management Association: http://www.namass.org/. Good luck and here's to a better future!
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ahhh exactly what i was expecting
Originally posted by hughjars:
(Hade, your rambling tirades are amusing to a point but so full of holes & the usual fanboy exaggeration & blindness it's not funny anymore.)
be so kind and point them out for me. you mention overall disc sales and i give note worthy reasons why total sales between HD and DVD should not be directly compared, well not in the context that you would prefer. i gave you the percentages for pirates3 initial release on Blu-ray and DVD which also counter your comments. do the math yourself if you like.
YOU, not I said not once but SEVERAL BOLD comments a month ago about the upcoming CES, which certainly did not panout the way you imagined. I am still curious what you weren't, i mean WERE SO SURE was bound to happen at CES. yes its time to ante up on your comments.
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The facts still stand.
They are that in almost 2 years Blu-ray (by the BDA's own recent numbers) have sold 6 million movie discs to HD DVDs a little less than 3 million movie discs.
In a total movie disc market of 750 million + in 2007 alone.
6 & 3 million compared to 750 million+.
You guys can choose to pretend those numbers don't matter if you like but that doesn't make it so.
It's obviously 'drop in the ocean' stuff for both formats.
The arrogant delusions of grandeur some of the blu-ray fanclub insist on in this is so clearly just empty rhetoric & bombast, nothing more.
i agree with you that HD disc sales are nothing compared to dvd sales but you have to remember that dvd was in the same boat as blu-ray and hddvd when it was first released, you say blu-ray and hddvd have sold roughly 9 million discs between them, in the first 2 years dvd was around it sold 9.2 million discs.....so by those numbers they are having about the same success as each other in their first 2 years
blu-ray may take a long time to get anywhere near dvd sales but it took dvd untill 2001 before the amount of money earned by dvd disc sales was higher than vhs sales
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Originally posted by rcd:
blu-ray may take a long time to get anywhere near dvd sales but it took dvd untill 2001 before the amount of money earned by dvd disc sales was higher than vhs sales
Great point it took DVD 3 years & alot of price drops before it seen any kind of sells boost.It didn't take either HD format that long & both are far a head of were DVD was back then.Plus with DVD sells on the decline for 4 years straight its not hard to see the writing on the wall for DVD death.
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Originally posted by rcd:
blu-ray may take a long time to get anywhere near dvd sales but it took dvd untill 2001 before the amount of money earned by dvd disc sales was higher than vhs sales
Great point it took DVD 3 years & alot of price drops before it seen any kind of sells boost.It didn't take either HD format that long & both are far a head of were DVD was back then.Plus with DVD sells on the decline for 4 years straight its not hard to see the writing on the wall for DVD death.
You have a lot of confusion in the market which is only 4% of the whole and half of it is split between 2 formats, one format is costly and could well be made pointless in 5-10 years when digital distro hits and pretty to home burn(encrypt) it to disc becoems avablie.
Not saying BR can not or should not do it, bu tis not over until its over....
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I'm seeing way too many off topic comments aimed at individuals.
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this is hilarious. . . .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c
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Originally posted by stumpied:
this is hilarious. . . .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c
Thxs....Thats was funny as hell i looked at that 10 times & it seem so real.
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If the BDA themselves are saying the numbers.
Blu-ray has sold 6 million movie discs.
HD DVD just short of 3 million discs.
In almost 2 years.
SD DVD sold over 750 million discs last year alone.
6 million in 2 years does not even work out to 1% of the annual market.
Like I said, 'drop in the ocean' stuff - and neither Blu-ray or HD DVD are doing anything like replicating SD DVD's original performance.
I might also remind the younger members here that 2 years into the first video format war VHS was pronounced 'dead' too.
Perhaps folks can ponder that as they claim to 'know' these 'drop in the ocean' prove something for Blu-ray.
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this is hilarious. . . .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c
i always knew that HD-DVD was being supported by nazi's
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this is hilarious. . . .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c
i always knew that HD-DVD was being supported by nazi's
Can;t get more corporate nazi than sony or MS :P
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this is hilarious. . . .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZTf3mX97c
i always knew that HD-DVD was being supported by nazi's
Can;t get more corporate nazi than sony or MS :P
No doubt!
No matter which "side" you choose, it's a bit of humour. Don't read anything more into it then that.
It's good for a couple of laughs anyways.
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Good for a laugh?
Nah I'd say that's a pretty realistic portrayal of most of the HD-DVD fanboys you come across on AD.. haha well done whoever made that.
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Yeah it's funny.
But only in the way that stealing someone else's once very funny but now totally well-worn (out) gag is.
Talk about a rather dreary lack of immagination.
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Back on topic folks.
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Some interesting hardware numbers from the NPD Group. The Warner effect was also felt on the hardware side:
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/blu...arner-went-blu/
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According to the latest NPD group report, during the month of December Blu-ray players held 60 percent of the HD media player market -- despite the fact that HD DVD players were considerably cheaper. While that might've helped Warner in its decision to go Blu, the move has definitely had a dramatic effect on player sales since. According to the same study the week after the announcement, Blu-ray players were able to grab 93 percent of the market, which puts the year to date (short, we know) share for Blu-ray players at 70 percent. Granted, it's hard to put too much stock in just a week or two of data, but if this and the recent media sales numbers (85 percent) becomes a trend, maybe this won't be such a slow death for HD DVD after all.
Important note: The numbers DO NOT include the PS3 and the 360 addon. These are just standalone numbers.
Who's the NPD Group you ask? From the wiki:
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The NPD Group, Inc. is a leading global market research company founded in 1967 and provides consumer and retail information to manufacturers and retailers. Using actual sales data from retailers and distributors as well as consumer-reported purchasing behavior, NPD offers consumer panel and retail sales tracking services, special reports, modeling and analytics, and custom research.
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thanks man, so now all those HD-DVD fanboys can stop complaing that the numbers were only good because of the PS3.
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Yeah it's funny.
But only in the way that stealing someone else's once very funny but now totally well-worn (out) gag is.
Talk about a rather dreary lack of immagination.
seems like a certain HD-DVD fan boy is mad....
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You just got as two week vacation for that off topic remark genius.
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