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Blu-ray dominates disc sales post-Warner decision
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article published on 17 January, 2008
For the week ending January 13th, the first full week following Warner's decision to go Blu-ray exclusive, the Blu-ray camp had its most dominating disc sales week.
Since the beginning of 2007 Blu-ray has outsold HD DVD by an average of nearly 2:1 but the week in question saw the gap get even further. Blu-ray took a dominating 85 percent share of all HD discs sold.
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m3_chris
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17. January 2008 @ 21:51 |
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85/15 ouch! Way to go Blu-Ray!! But there is always another view from the Hd-dvd camp, and I can't wait to hear their logic on why this happened.
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17. January 2008 @ 22:08 |
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Just pick a format already!!!! This has gone on too long. how long did it take for betamax and vhs to finish? We want better quality movies.
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rainofire
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17. January 2008 @ 22:13 |
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Ouch, that sure is a big hit HDDVD is recieving. But it's good new for blu-ray.
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17. January 2008 @ 22:15 |
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the week right after warners announcement, good news for blu of course
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17. January 2008 @ 22:17 |
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I don't know how to explain the 85:15 and I can only guess. This was the week following the Warner announcement and there may have been the initial shock among HD DVD owners. So it could be the BluRay people buying the usual number of discs and the HD DVD people buying a lot less than usual.
Note the following:
>There were no BOGO's or special offers at amazon or the major retailers for either side. (The current sale at amazon started on the 13th IIRC so it's effect will show in next week's numbers.)
>There were several new releases - but none from Warner.
HD DVD
Zodiac: Director's Cut (Paramount)
Mobsters (Universal)
The Pianist (Universal)
White Noise (Universal)
White Noise: The Light (Universal)
BluRay
Night of the Werewolf / Vengeance of the Zombies (Deimos)
Con Air (Buena Vista)
The Rock (Buena Vista)
3:10 To Yuma (2007) (Lionsgate)
Man on Fire (Fox)
Sunshine (Fox)
Killing Machine / Shogun's Ninja (Double Feature) (BCI)
Sister Street Fighter / Sister Street Fighter 2 (Double Feature) (BCI)
Dragon Wars (Sony)
I was expecting 3:10 to Yuma to do well on the BluRay side - and it did. It was #1 overall.
I was also expecting Zodiac to sell very well on the HD DVD side - BUT IT DIDN'T. It was only #3 on the HD DVD side behind The Kingdom and Bourne.
Unless we see the raw numbers we can only guess that the usual HD DVD buyers bought a lot less than they usually do.
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17. January 2008 @ 22:24 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Unless we see the raw numbers we can only guess that the usual HD DVD buyers bought a lot less than they usually do.
Very true, I haven't made any purchases since then because I was waiting to see other studio's announcements. Zodiac and a few others are making their way into my living room this weekend though. I think that initial "shock" had a lot to do with it.
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m3_chris
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17. January 2008 @ 22:38 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Unless we see the raw numbers we can only guess that the usual HD DVD buyers bought a lot less than they usually do.
I think that initial "shock" had a lot to do with it.
I don't think the average consumer follows this as closely as we all do, to say that is the reason people held back buying this week.
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17. January 2008 @ 22:43 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Unless we see the raw numbers we can only guess that the usual HD DVD buyers bought a lot less than they usually do.
I think that initial "shock" had a lot to do with it.
I don't think the average consumer follows this as closely as we all do, to say that is the reason people held back buying this week.
I don't think the average consumer even buys HDM yet, standard DVD is still, 98% of all disc sales?
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error5
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17. January 2008 @ 22:54 |
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I forgot about eBay.
A lot of people were offloading their players and discs on eBay for lower prices after the Warner announcement. Many HD DVD buyers may have been getting a good number of discs from these sales hence the low Nielsen numbers.
Any way you look at it, the Warner decision was the biggest development in the war so far.
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iamgq
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18. January 2008 @ 00:38 |
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BLUE THUGH LIFE
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18. January 2008 @ 01:08 |
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Most likely being the 'old man' here I ask you to find the old man voice you know and read the following....
I remember a few years back when there was this new fangled thingy called dvd that came out. It wasn't long after 8 tracks, cassettes, laser disc, cd's and some other thingy where discs would stop playing after a few days if ya didn't buy a dern license for it. 'Rolls eyes' pay fer it then pay fer it again if ya wants ta keep it what a waste of yer money.... I wishes I could remember what they called it?
Wellllllll I bought that thingy called dvd cause they stopped makin me dad burn vhs tapes! Boy was I mad when they quit a makin my betamax tapes had to buy my whole collection agins, but thats another story..............
'snores briefly'...........
huh uh oh oh well the moral here is.......
Have a little patience or the only money that's wasted is your own!
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red2tango
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18. January 2008 @ 06:37 |
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I wonder where Afterdawn's HD-DVD users are right now?cough cough lol
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18. January 2008 @ 08:05 |
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I don't think the average consumer even buys HDM yet, standard DVD is still, 98% of all disc sales?
Right now, standard DVD is Reigning KING. Period. Despite all the other hoopla.
I was watching the local news the other night, and they were interviewing this Video Shop owner who said that, although he carried a small collection of HD discs (both formats), NO ONE has purchased any in the last 6+ months, and that during this same time, exactly 2 (two) customers even enquired about them.
Percentage-wise, HD discs just aren't making any major inroads. People are just plain fed up with this ongoing bu----it format war.
I wouldn't want - just because I was impatient - to be the poor sucker to wind up with a bunch of expensive, dead discs & player on my shelf.
Early-adopt at your own risk.
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A_Klingon
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18. January 2008 @ 08:09 |
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Originally posted by c1c:
Just pick a format already!!!! This has gone on too long. ... how long did it take for betamax and vhs to finish?.....
About 1/10th as long as both Hi-Def camps have spent trying to convince us how superior they are to the other format. :-)
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18. January 2008 @ 08:11 |
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Originally posted by red2tango:
I wonder where Afterdawn's HD-DVD users are right now?cough cough lol
Still here for the time being!
Blu-ray may triumph, but it's the media corporations that are going to benefit from it rather than us. Warner's decision was purely commercial and likely had a fairly sizeable dollar value attached to it. Add to that Blu-rays apparently superior hack-proofing and DRM capabilties and you see who actually wins in the end.... Certainly not the consumer.
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A_Klingon
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18. January 2008 @ 08:12 |
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Originally posted by red2tango:
I wonder where Afterdawn's HD-DVD users are right now?cough cough lol
At home watching their reg'lar (standard-def) DVDs, of course. :-)
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hughjars
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18. January 2008 @ 08:40 |
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It's only to be expected.
Jan - Mar is alweays a quiet period for HD DVD
(exactly the same thing happened last year - but with fewer PS3s around back then the ratio slipped to 25:75 in BD's favour).
I only bought 1 disc myself this month.
The Blu-ray fanclub can ignore the central truth in all of this as much as they like but it won't go away.
You already decided you've won so stop trying to hide behind HD DVD numbers.
Compared to SD DVD the BD numbers are rubbish, very poor.
In fact compared to HD DVD (considering how many Blu-ray players are supposed to be out there - 10:1+ ) the numbers are rubbish and don't match that ratio.
No doubt the shock of Warner's post-dated declaration held HD DVD disc sales up - and as has been said undoubtedly the foolish minority who decided to bail out & dump their stuff will have led to a boon in 2nd hand sales.
As HD DVD players continue to sell very well (and they are) things will recover again later in the year (last year things picked up after march).
No big deal.
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18. January 2008 @ 08:44 |
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i guess I don't understand why it's not in our best interest, as consumers, for both formats to survive...
Can somebody explain that???
Doesn't competition equal lower prices and better product???
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juankerr
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18. January 2008 @ 09:12 |
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Originally posted by error5:
>There were no BOGO's or special offers at amazon or the major retailers for either side. (The current sale at amazon started on the 13th IIRC so it's effect will show in next week's numbers.)
Next week's numbers may not be much different based on the top 100 DVD rankings on amazon (as of 9AM CST today - updated hourly).
BluRay has 14 titles in the top 100:
#13 Planet Earth
#15 Fifth Element
#20 Blade Runner
#23 Spider-Man trilogy
#28 Ratatouille
#32 3:10 to Yuma
#34 Pirates of Carribean: at world's end
#35 300
#38 Underworld
#40 Cars
#58 Close encounters of the third kind
#70 Casino Royale
#73 Superbad
#92 Sunshine
HD DVD has ONLY ONE:
#29 Planet Earth
If amazon rankings are accurate then you could say that people may be buying the HD DVD players but they sure aren't buying the discs. It's possible those buying the players are not new owners but previous early adaptors who are buying 2nd, or even 3rd or 4th machines for their current collection.
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iamgq
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18. January 2008 @ 09:14 |
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Originally posted by jagfar:
i guess I don't understand why it's not in our best interest, as consumers, for both formats to survive...
Can somebody explain that???
Doesn't competition equal lower prices and better product???
Then the cost of the DVD or players will never drop...
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18. January 2008 @ 09:57 |
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Originally posted by jagfar:
i guess I don't understand why it's not in our best interest, as consumers, for both formats to survive...
Can somebody explain that???
Doesn't competition equal lower prices and better product???
The main reason, I would think is that, in order to watch everything you'd like, you would need either TWO players, one for each format, or a Dual-Format machine. Either way, this is far more expensive for *you*.
Two competing formats will never survive in the long-term. (Beta/VHS)
Also, video retailers (and renters) don't want to have to expend the extra shelf-space (and expense) necessary to stock double-inventory of the same movie. So, you might have to visit a second (or third or fourth...) video store to rent the title you are looking for.
Beta/VHS coexisted for a time, but only one won out in the long-term.
And what if.... [oh my god; perish the thought], what if we had *three* competing formats?? :-( (I sure wouldn't want three different players at home EACH doing the exactly same thing) !
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18. January 2008 @ 09:59 |
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I disagree. You NEED competition to lower prices. If only one format survives, then the format producer, whoever that may be, will be able to charge whatever they want. We've all seen it before with games consoles.
As far as dual format players go, why is that such a bad idea? Obviously the formats were that much different with the videocassette format wars, but with the HD disc formats, the discs are exactly the same size and the lasers aren't all that different. I mean come on! How many DVD writers are multi-format? I think you'll find all of them are.
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18. January 2008 @ 10:14 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
It's only to be expected.
Jan - Mar is alweays a quiet period for HD DVD
(exactly the same thing happened last year - but with fewer PS3s around back then the ratio slipped to 25:75 in BD's favour).
I only bought 1 disc myself this month.
The Blu-ray fanclub can ignore the central truth in all of this as much as they like but it won't go away.
You already decided you've won so stop trying to hide behind HD DVD numbers.
Compared to SD DVD the BD numbers are rubbish, very poor.
In fact compared to HD DVD (considering how many Blu-ray players are supposed to be out there - 10:1+ ) the numbers are rubbish and don't match that ratio.
No doubt the shock of Warner's post-dated declaration held HD DVD disc sales up - and as has been said undoubtedly the foolish minority who decided to bail out & dump their stuff will have led to a boon in 2nd hand sales.
As HD DVD players continue to sell very well (and they are) things will recover again later in the year (last year things picked up after march).
No big deal.
What I don't understand is how you blindly ignore what you are saying. You are saying that blu has a 10:1 player lead. Yet you along with others hd dvd fans say that the ps3 can't be counted. However, when you tally it up without the ps3 hd dvd has a 2:1 lead in standalone (including 360 add-on) players. Yet they sell way less discs.
Explain please.
(proud owner of neither)
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juankerr
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18. January 2008 @ 10:48 |
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Originally posted by simpsim1:
I disagree. You NEED competition to lower prices. If only one format survives, then the format producer, whoever that may be, will be able to charge whatever they want.
Explain then how DVD - a single dominant format - contues to show decreasing prices for both hardware and software. At Walmart and other retailers we see $50 upconverters, $15 new releases and $5 bargain bins even without significant competition.
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18. January 2008 @ 11:17 |
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That's because no big name titles have been released for HD-DVD so far this year.
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