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Upconverting Vs. HD-DVD
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aabbccdd
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13. February 2007 @ 08:46 |
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D1CK1E
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13. February 2007 @ 16:42 |
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Rico, I'm about 99% sure that the xbox 360 HD-DVD drive has no upconverting at all. There are other HD-DVD drives out there that can I think.
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error5
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13. February 2007 @ 17:23 |
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Get the Toshiba HD-A1. It's available for as low as $320 - $370 online. You not only get a great HD-DVD player but also a better upconverting DVD player than the Oppo.
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13. February 2007 @ 18:35 |
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error5
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14. February 2007 @ 02:21 |
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Originally posted by diabolos:
Make sure you understand how up-conversion works and does before judging different systems!
I understand DVD upconversion. From a side by side comparison of the HD-A1 and the Oppo 981 on ISF calibrated XBR1 SXRD 60" and XBR3 Bravia 46" - the HD-A1 still looks better.
Regarding the 360 HD DVD add-on: If your display has a VGA input which supports 1280x720 or 1920x1080 you will get a very good upconverted picture thru that connection. Just set the VGA output as close as possible to the native resolution of your set.
From the avsforum 360 Add-On FAQ:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748740
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Playing SD DVD
Does it upconvert Standard Def DVD over VGA?
Yes. It will upconvert a SD DVD to a max of 1080p over VGA.
Does it upconvert Standard Def DVD over Component?
No. The max resolution for SD DVD over Component is 480p. This is a CSS rule. Over component, your SD DVDs will be 480p no matter what resolution your dash is at.
Does a regular DVD look different on the Addon compared to the internal drive?
No.
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eatsushi
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14. February 2007 @ 05:51 |
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I've also done a side-by-side this time with an Oppo971 on an ISF'ed 60" A2000 SXRD. The A1 does a better job of upconverting IMO. I was going to put the 971 on EBay but I just gave it away to my kid brother who just got his first HDTV. He likes it a lot. Of all the players I've tried the XA2 is by far the best because of the Reon chip.
On the 360 add-on: error5 and the avsforum FAQ are correct. I've seen a friend playing a standard DVD upconverted to 1080p using VGA on a Samsung DLP.
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14. February 2007 @ 08:50 |
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eatsushi, you have a link on that A1 playewr i may get one also and use the Oppo 971 i have in the bedroom
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eatsushi
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14. February 2007 @ 11:02 |
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"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
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diabolos
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14. February 2007 @ 15:29 |
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Quote:
I understand DVD up-conversion. From a side by side comparison of the HD-A1 and the Oppo 981 on ISF calibrated XBR1 SXRD 60" and XBR3 Bravia 46" - the HD-A1 still looks better.
I don't mean you didn't. I was just speaking globally. What y'all are talking about is dead on. Up-conversion is not a generic process. It entails finding the correct cadence, proper de-interlacing or interlacing, and up-scaling.
I'm sure the HD-A1 looks better than the oppo.
We where selling the HD-A1 for $299 at my store a week ago. We are all sold out now.
Good posting,
Ced
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error5
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14. February 2007 @ 15:49 |
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Ced: My apologies if I over-reacted and all your points are well taken.
Anyway - $299 for the A1 is an absolute steal and a real bargain entry fee for HD. Hopefully we'll see a similar price drop in more retailers and online.
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diabolos
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15. February 2007 @ 02:36 |
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Sorry the HD-A1 was $199 not $299. The HD-A1 is the best deal in retail (after firmware upgrades). I don't know if any other Best Buy stores have them anymore but it was a good deal while it lasted.
@ error5,
No apologies needed. I should have made myself more clear.
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error5
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15. February 2007 @ 02:54 |
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$199 for the A1. No wonder it sold out.
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15. February 2007 @ 08:55 |
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Ced, give us a heads up on that if they sell it for 199.99 again
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diabolos
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15. February 2007 @ 13:16 |
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Its wasn't advertised. I didn't know about it till a guy returned one and we made a price tag for it. I guess BB was willing to take a loss on a couple of units so that the HD-A2 would not sell impeded.
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15. February 2007 @ 19:51 |
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15. February 2007 @ 20:14 |
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well if i can find one for 299.00 i will buy it
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distorto
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24. February 2007 @ 09:47 |
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will a HD-DVD play properly through an up-convert player? i just bought a samsung TXS-3082w and i am using a samsung upconvert player.
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error5
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24. February 2007 @ 10:04 |
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HD-DVD's wont play on an upconvert DVD player.
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Rob423
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25. February 2007 @ 14:55 |
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I'm going to have to agree with one of the fellas a few posts above.
I have a panasonic CRT/Digital TUBE style TV 30" widescreen 1080i.
I have the Sony upconversion player which is supposedly a good player the reviews are great on all sites i've searched.
I have it hooked up through HDMI.
Only 1 dvd so far looked somewhat improved which was ricky bobby taladega nights.
every single dvd i put in this thing either looks the same or worse then my previous panasonic non hd-upconversion player and that was using regular composite cables.
Is there a setting or something im missing? some of the screens look pixelated, the blacks are weird looking, the picture itself just looks poor compared to a regular non conversion player.
Any suggestions on maybe something thats not setup right?
when i watch HD TV ... HBO-HD or SHO-HD for example.. the movies on there completely blow away anything on my dvd player. And my cousin has the ps3 and i watched a few bluRays there on his LCD tv @1080p and that can't be touched by anything i've seen on this HD upconversion stuff... so im alittle puzzled on how people are saying the HDupconversion looks very close to HD material.
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Rob.
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25. February 2007 @ 15:00 |
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are you sure your upconverting the unit to 720p or 1080i with the remote ?
i can def. tell a difference with my Oppo -971 upconverter
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distorto
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25. February 2007 @ 15:26 |
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i can't tell a difference between my xbox 360 without HD and my upconvert dvd player.
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G1nger
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26. February 2007 @ 03:03 |
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Not sure you have it set-up right. I've got a Pana 34" CRT 1080i TV with a SONY upconverting player also hooked up via HDMI/DVI and my PQ is excellent. You can run through the various resolution settings but I find leaving it to the default "auto best resolution" looks the best. I leave the TV in "standard" mode and set the player for CINEMA 2.
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Rob423
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26. February 2007 @ 06:04 |
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Alright I'm going to change the settings and pop in something like pirates of the carribean.
Thanks for the replies back, i got that silver Sony player. rated pretty good all around the net even on Cnet.
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McNasty
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27. February 2007 @ 05:26 |
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I'm having trouble accessing the AVS link. My question is, how can you use VGA output from the Xbox360?
I have a Std DVD collection and recently purchased a Sammy 56" 1080p. I'd like to view HD as well as my Std collection. The 360 route sounds interesting since I can get those players for about $130 on eBay.
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eatsushi
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27. February 2007 @ 05:58 |
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Originally posted by McNasty:
I'm having trouble accessing the AVS link. My question is, how can you use VGA output from the Xbox360?
You'll need the 360 VGA Cable:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?...d=1126591946321
Hook it up to your Sammy and choose the 1920 x 1080 resolution on the 360's video setup menu.
The avsforum link works fine for me.
"The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
-Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Home Entertainment Feb 19, 2008
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