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Londor
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I found it interesting the reviewer is the one that gave the grades for reference to his findings
Wrong. You see you keep getting things wrong. If you had read the thread about E-Net and their unethical business practices you would have realized that the same grades categories where stated by people like Mr. Yang (reputable media retailer) or TerrificF. Once I found out that TerrificF was a former sales director for Conrexx I thought that you could really say that she new what she was talking about. TerrificF wrote on the 1st of June in that thread:
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CMC, Ritek & Prodisc focus mainly on OEM like Philips, TDK, Fujifilm, Sony, Imation, Memorexx...etc. Ritek also got its own brands as Ritek(A grade), Traxdata(A grade), Ridata(A grade), Arita(reprinted A, B & C grades), Landscape(D grade). All others just buy bulk DVD from great market and pack under house brands
The fact that you find the same information over and over again only leads you to believe that it is true. As you can see I do not consider something to be the truth just because I read it in just one place. I gather information from as many sources as possible and make up my mind.
On the same day TerrificF also wrote in clear reference to E-Net.
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Some players import very first few batches good quality media in order to build up good reputation on market. After that, they start to mix up good quality with low quality media. It is not a good idea to stick with a "brand" but a reliable "supplier". A relible supplier will recommend you a reliable brand.
I never said that the link to Flash review (http://www.dvd-recordable.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=76
) was the source of my findins. I only posted it to show you Ritek's reply acknowledging the fact that they do distribute low-grade media and that media is still RitekG04. As said earlier E-net mixes grades I you have to be a fool to think that they would supply a reviewer with the bad stuff.
Also the fact that you fail to understand that the response from Ritek is an edit to the actual article or stoty as you put it (you say that you are still looking for it when it is in front of your eyes) shows your understanding capacity.
As I said earlier I do not take something as the truth just because it says so somewhere. I disagree with Flash on the quality of the DATA*** and RIDISC discs (not a single official Ritek website or distributor ever mention the RIDISC brand) for being an E-Net brand but I also do not think he was being dishonest just that he was provided with good discs. I got to this conclusion after reading innumerable complaints on these brands plus knowing E-Net business practices.
Still you claim to have reach the E-Net website following the "contact us" in Ridisc website and keep saying that you do not believe that Datawrite, Datasafe and Bulkpaq are E-Net brands despite the fact that the 1st paragraph says "Since it?s beginning in 1999, E-Net has been at the forefront of the evolution in data storage technology. Today, more than 5 years later, E-Net, with its own family of in-house brands Datasafe, Datawrite and Bulkpaq, remains one of the most recognizable names in the Optical Media industry."
At this moment I think you have shown everybody how well you do your research (sarcasm) missing vital points and taking others as the definitive truth without cross-referencing.
Also let me remind you that this is an EUROPEAN site therefore what I was saying is more than relevant since E-Net is a big distributor in Europe of grey imports.
Now I will also remind you what I wrote in my first post in this thread
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It seems to me that most of you fail to understand that when you massproduce media it is impossible to achive always the same quality. Companies use grades to differentiate between qualities whithin the same product.
For example a company like Ritek will sell its 4x media as:
1- Best quality (grade A) under their top brands RIDATA, TRAXDATA and some OEM brands
2- Misprinted A grade and B, C grade media under the ARITA brand
3- D and lesser grade is printed with a picture of Mountains and Streams.
All this media will be Ritek G04 but you can not expect the same results when you use a TRAXDATA disc or a Mountain and Streams disc.
Things get tickier when there are companies like e-Net (Data****, Bulkpaq, Ridisc) that will buy B, C, D and lesser grade discs and overprint them to sell them as A grade.
Same can be applied to every other manufacturer. So a CMC Verbatim or TDK disc is not the same quality as a CMC Memorex disc even though all of them have the same media code
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brobear
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6. August 2004 @ 03:03 |
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Londor
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6. August 2004 @ 03:29 |
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The link is correct. You claim that the article is the source of what I am saying when I only post it to show you the fact that Ritek acknowledges distributing low-grade media.
You do not need to be very smart to realize that the original article starts "Over the last 6 months or so ........" and it was added on March 26th 2004. When Ritek noticed this review they wrote an email to the reviewer with what they had to say about it and the reviewer (Flash) edited the article on June 15th 2004 to add the email.
You put your capabilities to understand anything on evidence.
As I said I do not take my information from just one source. I will make up my mind after doing an extensive research unlike others.
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6. August 2004 @ 04:09 |
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Well, unlike you, most people get their information from legitimate sources other than from forums and articles written by people with the names Flash and TerrificF. Where is your legitimate proof?
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Londor
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6. August 2004 @ 04:51 |
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I have already given you the link to the thread about E-Net. Read again my posts. You may read something but it is clear that it fails to make an impression in your brain therefore the things you write lack any logic or proof of having understood anything.
I guess that the German website in which you base that Ridisc is the same as Ridata because when you click on Ridata Ridisc comes up at the same time is more reputable than any of the places I use to gather information or the fact that there is no mention on any official Ritek site about the Ridisc brand.
Also if you want irrefutable proof of Ritek grading their disk in accordance to how they perform in quality tests and not that they will produce on purpose a low-grade discs for some markets as you said in your review of the review (showing a great understanding capacity and knowledge on how a production line works) you only have to conctact them as I said so many times. http://www.ritek.com.tw/contact.htm
Also the fact that you keep editing your posts well after posting them shows how well you think and prepare something before writing it.
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6. August 2004 @ 05:39 |
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The point was that many companies use various manufacturers for the production of their brand. Not all manufacturers are equal. Therefore, there can be a difference in manufacturer and quality. You lead me off on one particular product which is a pet peeve you have developed.
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Londor
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6. August 2004 @ 07:05 |
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The only reason I provided a link to Flash review was Ritek's email as I said so many times before. I also said I disagreed with Flash review and the reasons for it. By now even the thickest person would have understood it.
Also the reason of my first post was to show that not because you got a RitekG04 disk you could expect to be of the best quality as there are different grades. Nobody has a problem with lower grade discs "production is never perfect" as long as they are market properly. That is why Ritek has different brands and Landscape and some Arita Ritek G04 discs are sold without warranty. The problem is when a distributor buys low grade discs and reprint them with their own brand and resell them as A grade. The problem it is not limited to the UK as this distributor operates all over Europe, Africa and the Middle East.
So far you have proved you are unable to understand even the most simple statement just read again very slowly every post I made and you will see there are no contradictions (contradictions are in your mind due to lack of understanding).
As I said I provided you the link to the thread in which TerrificF participates earlier (it is the one about E-Net or Impotant notice bad media in the UK). The fact I believe TerrificF is not just because she said she was the former Conrexx sales director, it is because people that works in the media business also confirmed that. You only had to read the link to know it by now.
You can find hard proof of everything just by contacting Ritek (it is a simple and short phrase so you can re-read and hopefully understand it in case you keep asking for evidence).
According to you I do not know why you did bother posting in this forum in the first place as nobody is going to take into account something that has been written by someone with a name like Brobear.
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6. August 2004 @ 08:04 |
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I will not fall into your juvenile trick of personal attack. There is obviously no information forthcoming other than you told us so and your ramblings about your forum news sources. Enjoy your hollow victory. It is a fruitless one on a point to prove something to yourself. You proved nothing to anyone. When you grow up I hope you learn what news services, magazines, and newspapers are all about. Have a nice evening.
I guess you can now go into another harangue about what a fool I am. That seems to be your best ploy when someone asks for any concrete information. Find someone else to annoy.
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Londor
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6. August 2004 @ 08:23 |
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A nick has nothing to do with what one knows.
Apply that to
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Well, unlike you, most people get their information from legitimate sources other than from forums and articles written by people with names like Flash and TerrificF
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brobear
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6. August 2004 @ 08:29 |
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Dan Rather, Walter Kronkite, E.D. Hill, Brian Kilmeade. Real names, not nicknames. Verifiable people working for legitimate news services.
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Londor
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Real names, not nicknames. Verifiable people working for legitimate news services.
Are you one? Why you post then? You seem to discredit any information that is not written by "real names working in legitimate news services" as if they could never lie or were capable of writing biased, misinformed or inaccurate articles.
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brobear
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6. August 2004 @ 10:01 |
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I don't claim to be in the business of reporting the news. Guess you haven't heard what happens to professional news people caught in a lie. They lose their credibility and often are no longer employed. Now a Flash could become Batman and be in action 5 minutes later.
This gets more childish as it goes. I wouldn't consider anything more on media and now you sink your arguments to this.
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Londor
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Nobody but you is talking about a conspiracy I am only pointing out that just because someone has a "real name" and works for a "legitimate news service" you can not take whatever he/she says as the irrefutable truth. The only childish approach is thinking that the truth comes from just one source. You should be smart enough to only come to a conclusion after reading as much as you can from as many perspectives as possible and then make up your mind.
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Londor
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6. August 2004 @ 13:03 |
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I do not know what you want to demostrate.
I have never bought from Mr. Yang website and when I said that he is a reputable retailer is because of the many good reviews I have read in many places.
When you quote something you should provide a link to the whole thread and not just take bits and pieces off it and put them together in a way that changes the reality. The guy that said that was less than impressed with the CloneDisc ended up saying that despite of that those discs were the best he had got.
When I was asked if I had used the CloneDisc brand I told the guy who was the official distributor for Europe and the discs that were imported. As I said you even lack the decency of providing a link to the whole thread.
As for the US websites you are going to tell me that they are not good places to get your media from. You only have to read enough to gather information something that you clearly do not do.
The not so mundane question the newbie was asking was how to rip a DVD on a Mac. You only have to read the first page on that forum to find it out. I will remind you of the rules of the forum http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487 .Rule number one is quite clear.
As I said in previous posts I got the grades categories off many different people and sources and only after extensive research I got to the conclusions I got. I told you so before but you have proved that you are unable to understand anything and keep getting things completely wrong.
As well when you quote Mr. Yang you should provide a link to the whole thread and not try to show something that is far from the truth. If I recall correctly he had been asked repeatedly to provide information on his discs as on many others but you only quote what you want to change the reality. And I will repeat I have never bought a disc from him.
The only juvenile behavior is shown by you needing help to try to prove something that is not. Grow up and learn how good research is done.
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6. August 2004 @ 14:05 |
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Gentlemen,
This is long past the point of providing any useful information to those Newbies or others who may be reading it or might in the future be reading this thread.
We should seriously consider the termination of these hostilities. It serves no useful purpose to be arguing these mundane points in a public forum.
To avoid drastic steps being taken, you might consider taking your disagreements to a PM where you both may "have at it" to your hearts content. When you both decide on a common statement or statements OR decide who is right and who is not, come back for a final post to wrap this thing up.
Better to do it that way than to end this thread with both of you left with unsaid points -
cheers,
Pete
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6. August 2004 @ 14:57 |
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Pete
You may have something there Pete. But I find it interesting that you be the peace maker after your jabs. Once I remove the useless text where the thread gets side tracked by Londor, I realize I was confronted by you. I realized that this thread had become useless way before your intervention here. Actually from the point that I realized I was being accosted by a juvenile. If you notice, from long ago, I refrained from any low blows or personal attacks. I saw the pattern of attack and no useful input. I only asked for some information, concrete and from something other than forums. Seems there is nothing in existence. Then I find a Ritek fan running the battle against Ritek on the word of forums and enet retailers and acting the expert. Anyone in their right mind stopped reading this thread a long time ago. I will remove several of my posts to remedy this circus. I hope the members will forgive me for falling into this charade. For their benefit I'll go back and remove the useless text so anyone happening upon this thread will not be hindered by me. All they need do is ignore the posts by Londor and the thread will be clear except for our disagreement. This thread was not meant to discuss the merit of Ritek media in the UK. At your kind request this is positively my last post. It was fun to see my original point trying to be proved by someone else though, Londor. You can talk to him now. The brambled crown you gave me was taken by him.
 totos, your statement is offensive. I read the threads where you sucked up to Mr Yang and his cronies. Obviously you bought into everything that was said. You couldn't have read both sides because I edited part of it out. Therefore, I would believe you came to this thread with preconceived malice. Contact you friend Londor and tell him you tried.
IN RESPONSE TO totos, 2ND POST DOWN.
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7. August 2004 @ 13:52 |
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Brobear, without wanting to offend you , I think that you behave like a child! Most of your posts say nothing.
On the other hand I believe what Londor said absolutely right and represents the reality of the optical media business.
Its not bad to admit that you made 1 or 2 mistakes. We all do mistakes.
And if you want to tell us that comments from TerrificF that was Conrexx (that is, Ritek) sales manager are useless (as this is your favourite expression) or worthless, and that you know things betters than media industry insiders, then ITS YOUR PROBLEM.
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totos
I don't see that brobear was any more abrasive than londor was. I like to welcome you to the forum but I would also like to caution you about taking sides. Did you read all of both of their posts.
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7. August 2004 @ 17:51 |
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This thread has run its course a number of times and is no longer useful. Someone please kill it.
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7. August 2004 @ 18:11 |
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I hope our new club member will not take this personally BUT when a hostilities cease it?s not a good thing to stir the ashes ?
Gentlemen, the time has come to put this baby to bed ?
Michigan, your request shall be carried out ?
Pete?s Prayer:
Now I lay me down to sleep, please put this thread on the Garbage heap ?
Nite all ?
Pete
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7. August 2004 @ 18:21 |
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My years in the mental health field suggest that I side with Pete.
Of course you might choose to turn and piss into the wind.
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