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what is the best media for dvd movies?
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tommyd69
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17. April 2004 @ 20:58 |
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i was wondering what would be the best media for backing up my dvd movies. i've tried using Verbatim dvd-r datalifeplus but during the movie it freezes and cannot read. i use DVD shrink to burn it onto the dvd. is it the way i copy it or is it the media i use? if its the media i use what media should i be using?
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mrman
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19. April 2004 @ 16:33 |
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well i use maxell media and have never had any problems and i also use DVD Shrink to backup my movies. when you played back the movie was it in a set top dvd player or in your computer? some dvd players do not support dvd-r media so try playing the movie on your computer.
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19. April 2004 @ 16:50 |
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Hiya tommy,
DataLifePlus are a good make and shouldn't be giving those problems.
What make/model burner are you using and what firmware version is installed?
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20. April 2004 @ 15:33 |
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Not addressing the issue that may be burner orientated, merely suggesting a disc: RiData Riteks...
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21. April 2004 @ 18:28 |
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If you have problems with Verbatim then I would look at the hardware and software setup.
My favorites are #1 Verbatim
#2 Ritek
#3 Prodisc
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21. April 2004 @ 18:58 |
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I would also recommend the Ritek G04's...haven't had a problem with them yet.
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28. April 2004 @ 15:50 |
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Whats the best sauce for a burger???
Every scenario is different...
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31. July 2004 @ 19:24 |
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tommyd69,
Let's take
Memorex as an excellent example as media goes, figures as high as 50% coasters have been reported (One member bought a stack of 50 and got 23 good burns.), not what I would call an impressive record. There are 4 different companies that manufacture Memorex BTW and product quality varies widely as you might imagine. Easy to see now why the quality of a big-named company can?t be trusted - ? Who?s making your Memorex tonight ?? Note: Memorex in the singles, 5 or 10 pack, as a rule, cause less problem than those Memorex sold in bulk BUT they still aren't recommended for DVD backups.
Is it just Memorex ? No ! I just used Memorex as an example. Fuji, Sony, TDK, Orange Pack and many Ritek and Verbatim discs aren?t suitable as a DVD backup media ? that?s why we are specific in the type of media we are recommending.
1. * Cheap media freezes, skips, pixelats and may refuse to be recognized :-(
Besides "Freezing", "skips" and pixelations, many times you?ll get a ?Cyclic Redundancy error? or an "I/O error". This message can mean that your discs are scratched or dirty, it can also mean that your burner won?t accept your ?cheap? media :-(
Another problem which ?pops up? is a ?*Power Calibration Error?. This can stop you right in your tracks and most often is caused by, Yep, you guessed it, inexpensive media.
*A ?Power Calibration Error? can also be attributed to the Optical Components of a DVD Writer, though this isn?t usually the case. Trying to shut down your software and ejecting your DVD then restarting your program and re-inserting the same media recently cleaned has been known to help.
Inexpensive media or even average media is great for text, Data, Spreadsheets, .Jpg and .Gif pictures and is good even for MP3 music BUT for DVD backups - BLAaaaaaT! It SUCKTH in an extremely Big-th way !
2. A good grade, Hi-quality media is needed for DVD reproduction !
?Branded? Ritek G04's or Branded Verbatim are what we?re looking for OR any media boasting ?Advanced Metal AZO.? ? BUT it MUST SAY ?METAL? AZO !, this indicates a superior dye application, while they are sometimes a bit ?pricey? they are acceptable.
Prices online from Meritline.com have gotten Ritek G04 starting at about a 1/2 dollar($ .50 USD) a disc -
Question - If you make coasters out of 3 cheap or even average discs and good copies from 3 Branded Verbatim discs or 3 ?Branded? Ritek G04 discs - which ones then will you say are too expensive ? The 3 ?Cheapo?s with no movie backup OR, the 3 recommended discs with a perfect backup on each disc ?
Bear in mind, Memorex, Fuji, Sony, TDK, Orange Pack and others are quite good for your MP3 music, picture archives, Spread sheets, Data and your text backups and archives, they just don?t work well for DVD backups. Even DataSafe G04?s made by Ritek have been reported as an inferior quality media and are evoking that ?Oh no, I shouldn?t have gotten those.?
Remember, for DVD backups, purchasing inexpensive media or even average media is a gamble, some people win, the majority of people lose, varying amounts but, they still lose :-(
Let's try the right media for the job - just buy a 5 pack of what we recommend that will settle it once and for all - Don?t cheat though, buy the EXACT media we recommended ?
Using good grade media can guarantee you one thing to an absolute certainty; it surely cannot hurt.
BTW, In an effort to clear the air, when I speak of "Cheap" or "Inexpensive" media, I'm not referring to the price you pay at the counter - I'm referring to the type of composite some manufactures use, their method of dye application and the lack of OR the poor quality control used during manufacturing. when I say "Branded" that means that when you pick up a disc in your hand, it says "Ritek" or "Verbatim" on the disc itself. The monetary cost of the media we recommend many times is cheaper than that you are buying now.
Yet another reason for purchasing decent media - ->
FAIR WARNING. . . Using that "Cheap" media, your backups may not last all that long -
One thing I haven't addressed is the life of a backup made on an "el cheapo" disc. We all know that data, music and video backups on CD's and DVD's will last forever, well, if not forever for at least 100 yrs or so - That's what we've read and that's why we backup our treasures to disc, so that they'll be safe. "BLAaaaT" (the bone chilling sound of an emergency air horn), Wrong, Dead Wrong ! Don't throw the originals away, you may very well need them. Your video camera tapes and family picture CD's and DVD's, may not be there the next time you want to look at them. "Point of fact," inferior discs have a tendency to "Break down]" in time. In a very short time, we're talking disc breakdown in less than a single year, in as little as 6 to 8 months.
Important, please read -
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=513486
cheers,
Pete
PS. It's better to arrive late than to never have arrived at all - - Drive Safely
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31. July 2004 @ 19:55 |
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To sort of show how the public gets duped, here is a personal experience over the past year. I purchased at discount bulk quantities of Verbatim, Maxell, Imation and Memorex. I use the disk information tools DVDIdentifier and DVDInfoPro. All of those discs were made by the manufacturer Ricoh and bore the same info numbers. Ricoh is one of the good manufacturers of quality discs. Now notice those disc prices in a retail store. Some stiff price differences for the same disk.
I was running low, so I picked up a small batch of Memorex at a local outlet. These were not the same discs. These were by CMC Magnetics, an inferior disk to the Ricoh. So, even with the same brand you can end up paying the same for an inferior disk as the higher quality. And you can't tell until you test them. I now have some Memorex data discs.
Now imagine if I had been unlucky on the bulk orders. I would have enough data disks to last into the next century. Pete is correct in that it is safer to buy a good, known quality disk. I was one of the lucky. The unlucky end up with inferior quality and that will cost in the long run.
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1. August 2004 @ 03:59 |
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I have seen DVD's were the print on top is so lame you can scratch it off with your fingernail - and underneath low and behold a different manufacturer.
I don't know what I am doing.
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BigRed1
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1. August 2004 @ 07:33 |
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I just picked up 100 TDK +R 4x DVD blanks for .50 cents apiece on special at Costco this weekend. They burn absolutely perfect on a Plextor 712A, using DVDXCopy Platinum. The results from this combo are the absolute best quality video reproduction I've seen yet. As clear and detailed as the originals. No skipping or pixelation whatsoever. Compatibility appears to be exceptional and out of the first 25, no coasters or errors.
The disc identifier program I have says these TDK's are made by "CMC Magnetics." This is the same manufacturer that makes some blanks for Memorex. The CMC Magnetics made Memorex branded disks I used (in this same exact copy configuration) failed misearably! I got about a ~30% success rate.
Could it be that the manufacturing specs, or quality, vary from dramatically from order to order? Perhaps a company can specify to the manufacturer what grade it desires for its own branded offerings? Maybe I just got lucky with the component combination or manufacturing batch?
Or, am I just waiting now for my perfect (laborious) backups to deteriorate within a year due to poor manufacturing materials?
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1. August 2004 @ 10:59 |
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Pete, I must respectfully disagree regarding Fuji media, at least with the +r's (I dont know if Fuji makes -r media). I have burned about 250 dvd using Fuji media (Media code RICOHJPNR00 ), and have had ~10 coasters, some of which were not media failures (pc crash, Nero freezing, etc.)
They may not be as great as the Ritek's, but I would definately NOT lump them into the cheap media category. They do get pretty good reviews here, too:
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php?selectmedia=929#comments
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1. August 2004 @ 15:22 |
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Pete didn't say you couldn't burn with fuji. He said there was a risk. They might not read in a year. Your next batch might be a different manufacturer and cause you problems.
I burned 300 Memorex before I got my 100 pack of lemons.
Ritek are generally less expensive anyway.
At least buy from someone that makes their own discs.
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1. August 2004 @ 15:34 |
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Gentlemen,
1. Ricoh makes more than 50% of all retail media.
2. They manufacture it under many different names.
3. Not all the media is manufactured to the same specs.
(Here we go with another ScubaPete example)
General motors manufactures Cadillac and they also manufacture Chevy Chevette.
The two cannot be compared.
Because Fuji are made by Ricoh doesn't mean they are as good as Ritek G04's.
A clarification is required.
I am referring to media sold in bulk when I speak about the different media. When I say "Bulk," I refer to quantities of 15 and more.
As General Motors has different plants so does Ricoh have different plants for their media. Some make Bulk, Some make some in 50-cake box, 30-cake box, 25, 15, 10, 5's and singles.
ntjones, you compared a single package Fuji (cost $2.00 ea (USD) to what one would get in a bulk pack. I contend they aren?t the same beast.
Memorex in the single and 5 and 10 pack I've never had a problem with. Memorex in bulk is a very different animal.
Gentlemen, believe it or not, there is a difference -
I stand by my post -
Pete
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1. August 2004 @ 16:06 |
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I have to agree with pete on the branded ritek GO4 and verbatim discs, I have used around 50 of the verbatim mostly for DVD backup without one coaster, and around 200 of the ritek with only 2 coasters. Excellent picture and sound, both excellent choices. I think some of the media might suffer from a bad rap from operator error however.
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ntjones
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1. August 2004 @ 16:57 |
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Pete, I buy the Fuji's in 50-pack's. It would be quite pricey to burn 250 DVD in single packs! :)
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1. August 2004 @ 17:45 |
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I understand that ? None of us could afford to purchase discs in a single pack. The write-up you referred me to was a recommending the Fuji in singles for $2.00ea. I buy 100 discs at a time, except this week, I got 200 from Mertline.
What I?m saying is that the quality control on the discs I?ve named sucks. You may well do fine with Fuji now and maybe next week but one day, you?ll buy your 50 pack and like my example, you?ll get your fair share of lemons plus a few more :(
It happens, too often.
Those I?ve recommended have a record of accomplishment of thousands of discs with no fruit mixed in.
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Pete
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1. August 2004 @ 18:08 |
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Ricoh is supposed to be a good manufacturer and so is Mitsubishi. There are a number of good manufacturers. CMC is supposedly a lower quality item. Besides material look to the outer edges where the disks are bonded. CMC lacks production quality, the batch I got exhibited minor chipping on the edges.
Below are just a couple of the Ricoh discs I checked. Note the ID and Revision Numbers are the same. You are looking at the same disk with a different name branded on it.
Verbatim +R
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01
Media Product Revision Number 02h
Memorex +R
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01
Media Product Revision Number 02h
http://www.mediamatch.de/medien.php
This is a German site, couldn't find the US equivalent. Look in the box labeled Erweiterte Suche. The directions are below. You will get a surprise out of the manufacturers and brands. There appears to be no loyalty of brand to manufacturer or vice versa. You choose the manufacturer or the brand, click Anzeigen/Go and you get a cross reference. You can enter codes and check those as well. Click on the magnifying glass for the particulars on one batch. Used to, Ricoh made the +R for Memorex and CMC made the -R. Now, who knows. I do know CMC is producing some of the +R for Memorex, as I purchased some. The same situation goes on with other brands.
Anbieter: (Product Brand)
Hersteller: (Manufacturer)
EAN-/UPC-Code: (Bar Code Number)
Anzeigen = Go
Most of what I know about CMC is what I've read. The materials are supposedly not as good and they fade sooner than the quality discs. Personally noted is some lack of production quality. So with recordings with these discs you're on a wait and see situation. I too have used these with no problems with recording. I just don't know how long to expect them to go without starting to fade. Good luck
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In other words, it's a crap shoot when you go to buy a disc. It's really hard to name a brand as good when most brands switch manufacturers.
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In other words, it's a crap shoot when you go to buy a disc. It's really hard to name a brand as good when most brands switch manufacturers.
Too bad I cannot respond as my knowledge of Spanish does not help me understand a German web site.
As far as your above statement ?
If you're including those discs and manufacturers I have recommended, I would have to disagree as these discs are made by the same manufacturers, all the time.
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Pete
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Pete
I'm surprised you didn't look at the site before you made a decision. Just the few words I translated made the navigation possible and understandable. Most of the data is in English. You would have found a lot of what people are saying is misleading. BTW your prepared statements are a bit dated and the news article you refer to is about CDs and not DVDs. I guess the companies that make a bad CD would probably be bad at DVDs. However, it would be nice to have an article about DVDs when talking about DVDs.
I thought by now you would consult me before questioning my word. Rarely do I say something and not have the info to prove it, especially in the volatile media arena. The branded Verbatim that you are fond of is manufactured by at least 4 companies. Among those are the company that you put down Memorex for using, CMC Magnetics. Mitsubishi, Ricoh and Taiyo Yuden manufacture the branded Verbatim as well. So who is making your branded Verbatim today? Luckily, it appears that CMC only made some of the -R discs. So people using -R Verbatim have to be more on the watch.
The Generic or branded Ritek comes in +R as Ritek R028 and -R as the G04. So, if one wants to use the G04 that is so often prescribed, they have to use the -R format. I didn't notice anyone pointing out that fact. Guess we all should have known. Since Ritek is a manufacturer, it is safe to say a Ritek is a Ritek. We are lucky enough to have the Ricoh brand. With the branded Ricoh, you are assured of a Ricoh. Too bad we don't have a Taiyo Yuden and Mitsubishi brand to choose from.
And bundle size doesn't necessarily denote the discs one buys with a brand. I got a 50 pack of Memorex and they were the same Ricohs as the Verbatim. My smaller purchase was the CMC. Philips makes some of the +RW for Memorex. The Ricoh was a major manufacturer of discs for Memorex until recently and now one sees more of the CMC. For a while CMC was manufacturing the -R and Ricoh the +R. But now CMC appears to have the Memorex + and -R franchise. Pack size isn't the determining factor for manufacturer, but the depletion of stock and the current manufacturer is.
Since it'll be long I'll split this up into sections for the data on this.
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http://dictionaries.travlang.com/GermanEnglish/
Here is a handy little dictionary to translate the few words you will need to navigate and understand the MediaWatch site. Most of the data is in English with some descriptors in German. The words translated above are the most pertinent.
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If one cross references between manufacturer and brand, they will see that brands very often use more than one manufacturer. Sometimes the manufacturer only produces one format for the brand and one can have a better chance of getting the disc desired. But who knows when the brand changes disc manufacturer for a particular format. So, all in all, it is pretty much a crap shoot when one goes to purchase disks. So far one can be fairly sure they will get a GO4 when they buy the generic Ritek or a RiDATA -R discs. Some brands are very limited in their offerings.
So for your best chance, browse the data and pick a brand with limited offerings that have the disc you want. Then hope luck is with you when you make the purchase. Me, I sort of like the Verbatim and Imation +R discs, good odds of getting a Ricoh or Mitsubishi. Since Taiyo Yuden uses a Metal Azo dye, that wouldn't be bad either. Happy hunting.
With this search engine, everyone can compare their favorite brands and see who is making them. You don't have to be able to speak German either. Just note the few words I translated and the German-English dictionary if you see a word you might want to translate. Some descriptors are obvious from context.
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