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The Official OC (OverClocking) Thread!
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16. December 2010 @ 05:43 |
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I assume the memory multipliers were set correctly by the way, as if you're overclocking your RAM to achieve that speed, then not all sticks can handle the same overclock.
[You shouldn't really ever overclock memory].
If you're at 444FSB, the lowest you could be running memory is 888mhz. If it's 800mhz memory, there's no surprise it doesn't work.
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Random5
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16. December 2010 @ 05:52 |
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Nope, I'll try that later. But even if it does work, what does it prove?
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16. December 2010 @ 05:53 |
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Well, that depends. If you bought 800mhz memory and expected it to get you to 4Ghz, you are sorely mistaken. If you bought 1066mhz memory it could mean the memory is bad, which knowing OCZ, wouldn't surprise me.
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16. December 2010 @ 06:34 |
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Random5
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16. December 2010 @ 06:42 |
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2.1, its the max the ram is rated for by OCZ. I suppose I could go higher. I'll have a look at some forums and see what other people are running at.
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Random5
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16. December 2010 @ 06:52 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well, that depends. If you bought 800mhz memory and expected it to get you to 4Ghz, you are sorely mistaken. If you bought 1066mhz memory it could mean the memory is bad, which knowing OCZ, wouldn't surprise me.
It is 800mhz, both the 2x2GB and the 2x1GB. The 2x2GB is running at 1067mhz, no problem and stable as a rock, and has been for over a year now.
This is the 1GB stick link
And this is the 2GB stick link
Edit: I've just noticed the TRAS on the 1GB is 15, and on the 2GB its 18. Apart from that there is no difference in the spec.
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16. December 2010 @ 09:36 |
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Expecting 800mhz to run at 1066mhz.
End of story.
800 to 1066 is a ludicrous expectation, most 800mhz memory will not run over 900mhz. Often, not over 850.
If you wanted to keep your overclock you should have bought 1066mhz memory.
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Random5
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16. December 2010 @ 14:16 |
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But it is running at 1067?! Well, 532MHz dual channel. It always has been, with the overclock of 4GHz.
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16. December 2010 @ 14:17 |
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Yeah, one set. That's unusual, and expecting the other set to do it is absolutely barmy.
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16. December 2010 @ 14:21 |
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I've had mixed sets run before. I was under the impression that the PC downclocks the quicker ram to the slower modules speed. That was a long time ago. I knew almost nothing back then LOL! I still have a long way to go ;)
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Random5
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16. December 2010 @ 14:22 |
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Ok, fair enough.
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Random5
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16. December 2010 @ 14:27 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I've had mixed sets run before. I was under the impression that the PC downclocks the quicker ram to the slower modules speed. That was a long time ago. I knew almost nothing back then LOL! I still have a long way to go ;)
It doesn't need to downclock, they have the same specs.
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16. December 2010 @ 14:50 |
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Oops! I misunderstood somewhere :S
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16. December 2010 @ 16:18 |
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No, you were right omega, Random5 doesn't seem to understand that all memory does not overclock to crazy levels. He's got very lucky with some 800mhz RAM that overclocks to 1066 and seems to assume all memory does it, when in fact it's very rare.
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17. December 2010 @ 10:27 |
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The 2GB kit in my Intel build uses Micron D9 chips and will, in fact, do 1066 perfectly stable. But foor the sake of longevity, I have tried to leave them as close to stock as possible. 824MHz IIRC.
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17. December 2010 @ 10:31 |
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I believe 855 was the limit of the standard Corsair XMS2 I bought.
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17. December 2010 @ 19:39 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
The 2GB kit in my Intel build uses Micron D9 chips and will, in fact, do 1066 perfectly stable. But foor the sake of longevity, I have tried to leave them as close to stock as possible. 824MHz IIRC.
Estuansis,
If your memory is EPP, turn that on in your setup (MIT) and set it to EPP control. My 1066 Dominators run beautifully that way. Unless you have increased the CPU Host Frequency above 200, your memory will run at 800MHz, and the timings will be changed by the EPP as needed. It makes a noticeable difference in overall memory performance! If there is no EPP in your setup list, then you don't have EPP memory!
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18. December 2010 @ 08:47 |
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I personally don't trust EPP for my memory settings nor have I found it to be stable or useful even at stock speeds for everything. It seems better at first, but eventually I am plagued with stability and performance issues that disappear completely when I disable EPP control and voltage. Auto settings are almost never useful for OCing due to the fine degree of control you need.
The RAM is Mushkin XP Enhanced DDR2-800 with a CL of 4-4-3-10 and I assure you it does support EPP properly. At $240 at the time of purchase it was basically the most expensive and high quality 2GB kit you could purchase at the time.
ON another note I am having trouble holding 3.8GHz at my current settings. Russ, seeing as we have an identical board and CPU, could you PM me a full list of settings and changes you made to get 3.8GHz stable? I mean everything. Would really be a big help. Also, I will have my Eco-120 at Christmas so keep that in mind. Any changes made to accommodate the different cooler would be welcome.
Also if you could fill me in on the proper use of EPP I would be grateful. Just enabling it doesn't mean much to me. What does it do, why should I use it, and how can I keep it stable?
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18. December 2010 @ 09:17 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I personally don't trust EPP for my memory settings nor have I found it to be stable or useful even at stock speeds for everything. It seems better at first, but eventually I am plagued with stability and performance issues that disappear completely when I disable EPP control and voltage. Auto settings are almost never useful for OCing due to the fine degree of control you need.
The RAM is Mushkin XP Enhanced DDR2-800 with a CL of 4-4-3-10 and I assure you it does support EPP properly. At $240 at the time of purchase it was basically the most expensive and high quality 2GB kit you could purchase at the time.
ON another note I am having trouble holding 3.8GHz at my current settings. Russ, seeing as we have an identical board and CPU, could you PM me a full list of settings and changes you made to get 3.8GHz stable? I mean everything. Would really be a big help. Also, I will have my Eco-120 at Christmas so keep that in mind. Any changes made to accommodate the different cooler would be welcome.
Also if you could fill me in on the proper use of EPP I would be grateful. Just enabling it doesn't mean much to me. What does it do, why should I use it, and how can I keep it stable?
Estuansis,
I'll be more than happy to do that. I'll get those settings as soon as I post this! On the EPP, you need to enable it first, then on the next line down set it for EPP to control the memory. I've been using it for a couple of years now with my Dominators, first the 2x1s and now with the 2x2s, both sets at 1066. It works fantastic!
With the Coolit, I take a fan from one of the older AMD coolers and slip it in between the 2 plastic knobs on the video card side of the pump, with the open side of the fan towards the pump. It may or not fit snug, so I put a couple of zip ties together and slip it under the metal arms that hold the cooler in place and around the fan, to be sure it stays in place. That helps cool the Northbridge, since there is no fan at the CPU with the CoolIt I also removed the two blue covers from the NB and VRM heat sinks, because they do more harm than good. They look pretty, but block the airflow to the heat sink itself. They are only held on with thermal tape, anyway and don't make a whole lot of contact with the heat sink. I save them so if I ever have to send the motherboard back, I can put them back on.
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18. December 2010 @ 09:37 |
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Lazy I know, but I rarely use anything but auto overclocks for my systems. Occasionally I raise the CPU Vcore, and in the old days I raised the NB Vcore for the sake of crossfire as well. The i5 750 runs happily at 4.1Ghz on auto.
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18. December 2010 @ 19:07 |
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russ, post edited as per forum rules.
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18. December 2010 @ 20:11 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
russ, post edited as per forum rules.
ddp,
I'm so sorry. I'm so used to posts like this that are PMs, it never crossed my mind. I don't ever remember doing that in all the years I've been here.
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24. December 2010 @ 12:34 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Lazy I know, but I rarely use anything but auto overclocks for my systems. Occasionally I raise the CPU Vcore, and in the old days I raised the NB Vcore for the sake of crossfire as well. The i5 750 runs happily at 4.1Ghz on auto.
It seem to me that if you let everything run at Auto with high Oc the system will take over and push it pass the limit of factory voltages for the cpu to match they say you want more speed you need more power to hold that speed. I don't understand meaning of auto overclocking to me it's a easy way out a true overclocker uses manual settings and test his setting up against programs such as Prime95,intelburn test,Sandra and many more that's out there to see if his setting are stable or not. I'm just saying.I rather drive a 5 speed manual than a automatic cause the mamual saves gas in the long run so why not try to get the highest clock speed you can by dropping or managing your voltages under factory specs for the cpu.With my first AMD build the 965BE or any other amd cpu it takes alot of voltages to get a high oc out them jokers now that's a fact with the Intel 775 cpu's with my Q9550 at 2.83ghz to 3.93Ghz it took 0.287 extra voltages to hold it stable setting at 1.337v vdroop to 1.312v in cpuz so what that a 0.025 drop with the limit on the cpu of 1.362v now the Vdroop is less in AMD Gigabyte boards my setting are 1.400v to a cpuz showing of 1.392v at 3.876Ghz stable memory running at 1360mhz from 1333mhz so it oc'd over 27mhz running a latency of 47.7 ns with timing of (9-9-9-21 CR1) that's pretty good and all manual setting...But what. I heard that the I5's and I7's supposed be the better overclocker when it comes to voltage that they take less to OC and hold stable if. I can get 1.0ghz out of a cpu. I buy. I'm happy without going over factory specs voltage it's a done deal it should'en take that much volts to do that but In AMD Case it does. I found out on my own.I'm not knock'en AMD at all cause. I have one myself just in the Oc part it just takes to much to get alittle oc out of them but there better cpu's when it comes to gaming. I believe my 965BE is my Gaming Rig only. I find myself on it more to learn more about it also...But Sam to each his own on how they Oc there own Rig's like. I say where here to learn from each other and help others that come along you helped me in the video aspect video card choices thank you very much, Russ has helped me with AMD points, Creaky has showed me pointer on Storage and Hard Drives,Greenmans has did his part in DVD Burners helping and Rob also. I've helped with Oc'ing and Memory choices and timing as well we all have helped out in some parts...But if you have that Q9950 like me you should be Rock'en at 3.9 like me..Lol at 24c idling temps
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24. December 2010 @ 15:37 |
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Auto voltage usually has a maximum allowable voltage. For the 1.325V E4300 I had, neither of the boards I overclocked it with would auto a voltage any higher than 1.4V.
Manual overclocking and manual transmission is an interesting analogy, I kind of see where you're coming from with that, but to say a 'true overclocker' pushes all the settings, while true, is a bit of a farse these days. Automatic overclocking has got my i5 beyond 4Ghz nice and stable. The benefits you get from manual overclocking, in the terms of a realistic long-term stable setup, not just a benchmark muncher, are so slim nowadays it hardly seems bothering with. This is at least true of LGA775 and LGA1156/1366, whether it's true for AMDs I can't say but if not, that's a disadvantage, not really confirmation of the statement.
Not sure how you worked out the maths for the Q9550, 1.337-0.287=1.05V, and that's not the stock for them, it's usually 1.25V, I think the lowest they ever were was 1.20V.
Saying Vdroop is less in AMD gigabyte boards is purely coincidental, it depends on the load of the CPU, and how good the voltage regulation is. The more you spend the better it's likely to be. It's a bit like saying 'GMs are faster than Fords' or vice versa, it's a totally irrelevant statement without specific cases.
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24. December 2010 @ 16:56 |
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Quote:
Not sure how you worked out the maths for the Q9550, 1.337-0.287=1.05V, and that's not the stock for them, it's usually 1.25V, I think the lowest they ever were was 1.20V.
your right Sam 1.25v is the Vid is default at 2.83ghz stock so that's 0.087v bump to hold 3.935GHz Stable.I was'nt woke yet not enough coffee. My Bad. I'm just saying Auto takes the fun out finding your own stability and searching for the right setting to hold your cpu stable without the assistants from auto and auto should be used for factory settings...
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