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17. May 2004 @ 15:34 |
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I'm not arguing that as far as verbally standing up for the little countries, the U.N. is very active, but after the talking...
Has anyone heard about the bomb that exploded by U.S. forces recently? They found traces of nerve agents in the explosives! Nerve agents are classified as WMD's. I'm not going to jump in a say look look, but there is either left over stuff that was supposed to be destroyed or they are being smuggled in! Bottom line, there are chemicals that are still in Iraq, and now actively being used.
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17. May 2004 @ 16:13 |
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Yeah i heard that story today too, i figure it was an old shell, a leftover from the Iran-Iraq war, David Kay said the same thing.
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
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17. May 2004 @ 17:10 |
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DarkmanX: The United Nations sent troops to East Timor which had declared its independence and which had been overrun by a large military force from Indonesia. Australian UN troops have kept the peace there since then and are continuing to assist East Timor in protecting it from its much bigger neighbors. It's not all talk. It just doesn't interest the American public much and therefore most people are unaware of some of the actions of the UN.
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21. June 2004 @ 15:17 |
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me in my personal opinion i say the US should nuke those mother fuckers down in iraq. i mean look at the way they live, war war war all the damn time. and im sorry but sawing innocent men's heads off for no god damn reason is wrong. be it war or not these people they behead are not solders their there to try to help these savages with do not deserv to live at all. in my personal opinion they are the lowest life forms on the face of the earth. their should be another holocaust held for the those damn irakies like hitler did to the jews. the world woule be better off that way.
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their should be another holocaust held for the those damn irakies like hitler did to the jews.
You are one stupid motherfucker for making a statement like that.
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21. June 2004 @ 19:30 |
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im one stupid mother fucker for saying that ?
so your condoning what those irakie pigs do to innocent
people by "not cutting" but "sawing" their heads off while they beg for their lifes ? u honestly think these people should be allowed to exist ? and about my coment about the holocaust and hitler im not saying what he did the jews was right, that was just wrong what he did but the united states should do the same what he did to the irakies they deserve nothing less than torture. if they can saw off an innocent man's head for trying to help them well believe me they dont deserve to live. these people that their beheading arent even god damn solders. Oh but wait, iraq has innocent men woman and children ! yeah sure innocent men woman and children that would shoot an american solder at the drop of a hat. i should know one of my friends brothers was killed over there by what u would call an innocent terrorist harbouring civilian. there is no inccocents over there i have alot of friends that come from that part of the world. sure theres some that are different but the majority over there support those damn terrorist pigs. so dont call me a mother fucker for wanted the scum of the earth to be extinct.
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so your condoning what those irakie pigs do to innocent
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Did my single-sentence comment say anything to that effect? It would befit you to not jump to conclusions.
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my coment about the holocaust and hitler im not saying what he did the jews was right, that was just wrong what he did but the united states should do the same what he did to the irakies they deserve nothing less than torture.
So you're actually trying to argue that committing a holocaust against the Iraqi's is alright because "they deserve it"? Have you stopped to think that not all Iraqis are doing what you see on T.V and read about in the papers? You want to wipe out an entire country and you can't even spell the county's name for Christ's sake. The world isn't black and white and neither are the answers or solutions to problems. You actually said in the same sentence that what Hitler did was wrong but the U.S. should do it.
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Oh but wait, iraq has innocent men woman and children ! yeah sure innocent men woman and children that would shoot an american solder at the drop of a hat.
This is nothing more than a weak rationalization for your "holocaust" solution.
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i should know one of my friends brothers was killed over there by what u would call an innocent terrorist harbouring civilian.
It's truly a shame that you would bring that man's death into this in order to counter a point I never made.
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there is no inccocents over there
Infantile thought process as well as being yet another rationalization for killing them all.
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so dont call me a mother fucker for wanted the scum of the earth to be extinct.
These "scum of the earth" that you want extinct don't make up the entire population. The extremists are the ones that need to be hunted down and killed, which brings me to an intertesting observation.......
The extremists are generally very weak minded, ignorant people who find it very easy to adopt a "kill them all" ideology as opposed to actual constutructive problem solving. Strikingly similar to your attitude.
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21. June 2004 @ 22:02 |
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me in my personal opinion I say the US should nuke those mother fuckers down in iraq
You are entitled to your opinion but let's not forget that, okay, so we nuke an entire country and somehow manage to wipeout every trace of Iraqi existance .... then what? Oh look, we don't like North Korea .... let's nuke them .... and China ... we dont like them either .... and so on and so on and so on. Sounds like your train of thought is leading to an American-only doctrine.
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i mean look at the way they live, war war war all the damn time
Neither you nor I actually understand exactly the mindset of these people. As many people have said before, the actions and policies of one man (or a group of people, or a religion) do not constitute the behaviour of everyone located in the country. Consider this for instance, "Newbies" come to this forum talking about piracy and violating forum rules left right and center and yes they do this allllllll the time -- your Afterdawn rank says "Newbie .... does that mean I should deactivate your account on of the other countless newbie posts? Hardly not. That simply would not be fair. ('sides, if you want to complain about war, war, war ... look to all the gang wars and violence in LA)
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and im sorry but sawing innocent men's heads off for no god damn reason is wrong
I agree entirely -- that was wrong however it doesnt justify genocide by any stretch of definition. Just to make a point: while you're feeling sorry for the one guy who lost his head ... consider the people who get raped, murdered and robbed on a daily basis -- sure some of them might have deserved it (i.e., gang wars etc) but also consider all the people who didnt deserve it .... you dont see people running around proposing that we enforce a curfew to try to crackdown on gangs and such (which occur mostly at night)?
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be it war or not these people they behead are not solders
A valid point however again it doesnt justify genocide -- my DVD burner gave me a coaster -- should I start a campaign to rid this galactic cluster of every DVD burner? Hardly.
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their there to try to help these savages with do not deserv to live at all.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion however the people that were there to help belived in something -- they believed in resolving conflict and helping these people and giving them a chance at a decent life -- let's not marr their death by statements like "they dont deserve to live" -- those people who died believed they deserved to.
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in my personal opinion they are the lowest life forms on the face of the earth.
In case you havnt entered highschool yet.... there are such things as single celled organisms. On a more serious note, have you perhaps that you are the lowest form of life on this planet? I am in no way saying you are of course, just food for thought. Consider that (1) you are uneducated (or well so, given your grammar and spelling) (2) you have no respect for "lower" forms of life -- you should note that there is a tendancy for more advanced civilizations to be civilized and tolerant of others -- what's the word ....? yes... being less snobbish and arrogant. Which is why Afterdawn caters to both people "in the know" and people "not in the know" -- there is a degree of tolerance and as I've said before, one person (or a group of people) do not represent everyone
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their should be another holocaust held for the those damn irakies like hitler did to the jews. the world woule be better off that way.
Okay so you dont like beheadings but you are okay with unethical experiments, gas chambers and torture? In that case, should I write a letter to the head these organizations informing them that they should make use of Hitler-type techniques and they will have the support of the American people right? Or is this a case where one individual's opinions and beliefs dont represent the whole?
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im one stupid mother fucker for saying that ?
Well yes unless you have multiple personalities.
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so your condoning what those irakie pigs do to innocent people by "not cutting" but "sawing" their heads off while they beg for their lifes ?
No I am not and I think I'm good to say Nephilim isnt either but the solution to this over-publicized event is certainly not to exterminate more people. So what happens if I consider your attitude and behaviour to be personally offensive.... can I come over and set explosive charges on your house? Or would you rather I use gas? Enough people around the world hate Americans for their arrogant/policing-the-world attitude ... no need to add racist and country-of-war-criminals-in-training to that list.
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u honestly think these people should be allowed to exist ?
I dont think racist dogs like you deserve to exist but you dont see bitching and complaining (of course it could just be because I'm too busy prepping the gas canisters)
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and about my coment about the holocaust and hitler im not saying what he did the jews was right, that was just wrong what he did but the united states should do the same what he did to the irakies they deserve nothing less than torture
Ok so let's suppose you were born in Iraq, grew up in your village/mecca/whatever and did your thing... didnt bother a soul -- and dont tell me people like that dont exist because then you arent just being "stupid" but also highly ignorant and close-minded. Ok, so we should just round your sorry ass up and torture you because other Iraqis decided to do something you didnt like. Sure you can boast away now about how tough you are ... just wait till I get my rusty scissors ... then the torture gets interesting.
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if they can saw off an innocent man's head for trying to help them well believe me they dont deserve to live
For being there to help them???? Iraq, at the time, was a war zone. As you aptly noted, he was not a soldier but rather a civilian. Not only that, he stayed -- after being told to leave for safer places -- because of money (and a very very tempting amount at that) -- not because of the kindness of his heart.
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these people that their beheading arent even god damn solders
I'm glad you noticed..... is it okay then to behead soldiers? Or should I stick to the tried-and-true gas-Hitler techniques?
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Oh but wait, iraq has innocent men woman and children ! yeah sure innocent men woman and children that would shoot an american solder at the drop of a hat
Not after I send them a letter informing them that it's okay to use gas on soldiers -- then the American soldiers using the bullets would be the bad guys who deserve torture.... right?
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i should know one of my friends brothers was killed over there by what u would call an innocent terrorist harbouring civilian
Uh.... terorrists are terrorists.... dunno what part of this galactic cluster you're from but yeah terrorists, by the very definition arent um.... "innocent".
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there is no inccocents over there
You dumb racist piece of crap -- scum like you give America a rap for being racist, intolerant and arrogant. So supposed I abduct an "innocent" American family and bring them over to Iraq and there is a newborn baby ... does this mean I'm supposed to kill the baby because it's not innocent anymore????!!!! Again I reiterate (because in my experience at least, immaturity and stubborness go hand in hand): You dumb racist piece of crap.
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i have alot of friends that come from that part of the world
So why dont you do the 'patiotic' thing and go gas them up? Or better yet, like the Americans did in World War II, go intern all these friends of yours because they might pose a national security risk! Damn that would be quite patriotic wouldnt you think? Oh and we're prolly going to have to intern you and sieze your property too because of association.
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sure theres some that are different
Make up your goddamn mind, you racist child!!! Are there innocent people there or not?!
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the majority over there support those damn terrorist pigs.
Since you "know" the majority of them support these terrorists, tell me... exactly how many people are there right now? One cant ascertain whether the 50% mark has been reached without knowing the total count. Again, I reiterate just in case you missed it before, you dumb racist piece of crap: these are people and yes some of them do hate Americans and would kill them blah blah, maybe even the majority of them but short of doing an interview of every single person there and after ascertaining that they are "a terrorist pig" then maybe we can consider gassing them?
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so dont call me a mother fucker for wanted the scum of the earth to be extinct.
Again, you dumb racist piece of crap, wanting the scum of the earth to go away but who the fuck picked you to be the judicator? At least pick someone who's graduated highschool and has the cultural maturity of at least an all-American bowling ball.
This is an international-friendly website -- cease the racist comments you will quickly find your account will never see the light of day again but rather it will pay a visit to the gas chamber.
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21. June 2004 @ 22:54 |
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Sounds like somebody got their buttons pushed. I agree whole-heartedly that one can't lump an entire population of a country into a single derogatory category.
I have a warm coat, but I'm not prepared for nuclear winter. Seems like the good old US has a problem and there are no easy solutions. I hope using diplomacy wins out, but force is sometimes the last option. It appears that our problem is shared by a multitude of countries. Even the Islamic countries are having their problems.
Look at the Madrid bombings, a country that tried to appease the terrorists by bringing their troops home. Saudi Arabian citizens are being targeted as well as Westerners. The old USSR countries are suffering from terrorism. Turkey has had its problems. I could go on, but I think I made the point. Terrorism is an international problem that is a problem for various political and ethnic groups.
If it were as simple as a single religion wanting to be on top or a political faction wanting to be on top, the situation would be easier to deal with. What the world is dealing with is a group that wants anarchy. They may hail as Al Queda or Hamas, but it seems the goal is the same, anarchy. Look at the senseless deaths in Palestine, not at the hands of the Israelis, but by hooded Hamas militiamen/terrorists. That was reported by Palestinian human rights groups.
I fear the world (and not just the US) is in for a long term battle because we are trying to deal with an enemy that has only a few public figures. No one country can nuke the rest of the world and hope to eradicate the problem (they might not survive; nuclear holocaust isn't a pleasant thought).
One group says the US is an occupier and a policeman; others appreciate the assistance. Some countries have people saying get the hell out, but not everyone in the country agrees. The only problem being they might end up being part of another country in a few days. Look to N and S Korea for that little scenario. Sorry there are no easy answers at this point. I just hope the world survives to see an end to the hostilities. Then again, when has the world ever been at peace?
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21. June 2004 @ 22:57 |
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I just hope the world survives to see an end to the hostilities. Then again, when has the world ever been at peace?
I hope so too .... too much damn pointless violence and stupidity ... over what?? lol
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21. June 2004 @ 23:00 |
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Whoa. Time for everyone to take a cold shower, have a beer and chill out. Passions are running too high right now.
Too much emotion loose. Maybe testosterone also.
Vladamir Putin has stated that Iraq was planning attacks on the US. Terrorist style. Maybe our pre-emptive action was justified after all.
So we freed 25 million people from Saddam Hussein's regiem(sp).
Aw hell, nuetron bomb em all. Let god, allah, yaweh, krishnu or who ever figure it all out.
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21. June 2004 @ 23:10 |
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Yay neutron bomb :P
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Hopefully cool heads will prevail. A light attitude can be as bad as a hostile one. The situation is grave. No one in their right mind thinks the Hussein regime was good. It's just that a lot of people, right of wrong, think the US had no right to do the job. Seems some circles are coming up with information that shows it may have been justified. But, don't be blinded; the situation encompasses much more than Iraq.
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Praetor,
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I hope so too .... too much damn pointless violence and stupidity ... over what?? lol
In the end I fear the answer comes down to one word, Power. Seems that is what everyone hopes to achieve in one or another of its incarnations. That's what they're all fighting for, justly or not (the power to exert influence over the other).
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Guys, this was a thread that was dead for over a month. All of a sudden somebody(presumably) makes a firy, simple-minded, (almost)drunken comment about 'nuking the irakies' and we get all twisted about it. When I read GriM_LocK's comment last night, I just had to sigh and decided it wasn't worth a response. I figured this person needed to take a deep breath and think a while longer.
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22. June 2004 @ 06:45 |
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I figured this person needed to take a deep breath and think a while longer.
Do you really think that would have a made a difference?
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Probably not. But it was a nice way for me to rationalize that it wouldn't make any difference what I did or said. By responding to a rather crude and not very well informed comment, as was done, it is likely that we gave that comment an exceedingly high level of priority. It did not deserve that.
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it is likely that we gave that comment an exceedingly high level of priority. It did not deserve that.
Indeed i dont usually do that myself but (a) i couldnt resist and (b) it's been a looooooooooong time :P
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I've no regrets about what I said. Anyone who states that a holocaust is good thing is going to hear from me.
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Nephilim, I think he was fishing. You fell in.
Grim, Are you living or in the USA?
Preator, I think you win the prise for longest post. Even longer than Dr.chips, if thats possible.
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I think he was fishing
Very possible, but if I truly thought he was I wouldn't have said anything :)
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I think he was fishing. You fell in.
Well there are good fish in these waters.... and then there are the types of fishies that ban yer sorry ass. A differening opinion is one thing -- genocide is another: sure you can format your harddrive and start over -- but you cant apply that stupidity to people
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I was going to respond to him. Not on the whole genocide, kill everyone comment. But on the suttle statement:
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HHmm reminds me of the USA. But because USA and even Canada are so freaken huge, its not called war but street violence, Racism wars, Motor wars, street wariors ete ete ete. Ther is just as much war behind your house as in everyone else house. Unless of course the USA is on a bombing run.
Humans fight, its what we do. Just look here!
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I have to agree with Praetor. Even if the character was fishing, someone needed to say how full of crap he is. Genocide and nuclear holocaust are just not my favorite cup of tea. The guy was obviously something akin to a skin head fanatic. Now where did those assinine characters originate? The US has a bunch of them, but that isn't a home-grown phenomena.
I was going to respond to him. Not on the whole genocide, kill everyone comment. But on the suttle statement:
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HHmm reminds me of the USA. But because USA and even Canada are so freaken huge, its not called war but street violence, Racism wars, Motor wars, street wariors ete ete ete. Ther is just as much war behind your house as in everyone else house. Unless of course the USA is on a bombing run.
Humans fight, its what we do. Just look here!
Seems like Prisoner is on a bit of a USA bashing spree. There is a lot of violence, but I don't believe violence is being taught as a religion in the schools. Granted there are places one doesn't want to go when the sun goes down (or for that matter when the sun is up). But all countries have their own problems.
Put a Westerner in Saudi Arabia or any of a number of countries in the region. For that matter there is a lot of internal violence besides. So what's the point? No road rage on the autobahn? No racial discrimination in France? No religious persecution in Iran? No genocide in Africa or Bosnia? No racial problems in South Africa? The French love Americans? (Who snubbed the US by noticably not attending the Reagan Funeral?) The US didn't go to Iraq alone. Even though some politicians try to make it seem so.
And then there was that Oil For Food situation, I don't think I would have voted for a war if I was making that kind of money either. Screw the moral and political situation. Of course... (Just a facetious, rhetorical statement if you didn't catch it.)
I don't know of many countries free of violence. In fact, I don't know of any country without a police force. USA and Canada are big places with a large population so there is going to be more violence due to an elevated population density. Maybe I am one of the lucky people. The children can play outside and I don't lock the doors yet (except at night).
I can even say I don't like a certain politician and not get my tongue pulled out. You didn't say I don't like Saddam in Iraq. He had his own son-in-law murdered. So, all I'm saying is that there are some places worse than the US. The US may not be the best or the friendliest place in the world, but a lot of people are dying just trying to get here. Or is it they are dying just trying to get away from where they are living on the way to the US?
Granted the USA has its share of assinine individuals, now look around the rest of the world. There are no shortages and every country has their fair share. 'People who live in glass houses should throw no stones...'
Its sort of a funny thing, anybody hear about a global economy? Bin Laden wants the US out of Saudi Arabia and the region (probably this plane of existence). He doesn't want the US defiling the Holy site. Yet if not for the foreign money he wouldn't have lived so well most of his life and he wouldn't be a member of such a wealthy family. Then if the oil wasn't being sold on the international market, what would be the standard of living in the oil producing regions. Just hate those folks supplying the money for the oil. Without the oil money, where would the terrorist money and power base be? Everyone seems to be feeding the opposing side and whose really paying attention?
I am a proud citizen of the US that realizes we have assholes just like the rest of the world.
Did I go longer than Praetor?
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Seems like Prisoner is on a bit of a USA bashing spree. There is a lot of violence, but I don't believe violence is being taught as a religion in the schools.
Possibly but dont forget two things (1) violence in the states, while perhaps not as militant as in other places is still quite common -- I didnt mention LA for nothin hehe (2) regarding the religion let's not forget that neither you nor I (I dont think you do but it's possible otherwise) understand how their religion works and what their cultures are like etc -- im sure other people from different cultures and religons can look upon us and criticize similar kinda things blah blah blah; essentially I'm trying to say that we dont -- well I dont at least, fully understand the "other side" -- we pretty much know what CNN tells us -- that may be the whole unbiased story or it may not be but in either case the average watcher probably doesnt have the cultural understanding required to understand perhaps some of the reasonings of the other religions etc.
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I don't know of many countries free of violence. In fact, I don't know of any country without a police force. USA and Canada are big places with a large population so there is going to be more violence due to an elevated population density
Short of implementing a Singapore type system (which I respect and admire even though I dont think I have the cultural discipline to survive in it hehe), crime and violence are damn near eeeeeeeeeverywhere.
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Did I go longer than Praetor?
Nope :P I think mine was approaching 10000 characters.
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