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is ixtreme firmware leagal itself
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axel09
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11. January 2009 @ 16:36 |
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yes or no? its just the modded firmware right? no copyright violations or anything that could get me in trouble? I understand having copies of games that you do not own is illeagal.
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paynfull
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11. January 2009 @ 16:40 |
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I believe it is seeing how you can't get it off any link on the net. YOu have to dl a program or go on irc to get it.
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11. January 2009 @ 17:06 |
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Originally posted by paynfull:
I believe it is seeing how you can't get it off any link on the net. YOu have to dl a program or go on irc to get it.
what, you can get it directly off the net without download a program, or using irc. just google it, theres only about a million different sites that are hosting it for direct downloads. however, i think it might be illegal as your are modifying MS's copyrighted product. but on the other hand, once you buy the console it is yours so you should be able to do whatever you want with it, just as with a car, or your house....
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axel09
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11. January 2009 @ 17:30 |
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rapid share I think was the official download for us
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11. January 2009 @ 20:44 |
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MS's code which has been modified by an unauthorizied third party = illegal.
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axel09
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11. January 2009 @ 22:55 |
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explain why you say that,saying its illeagal dosnt mean anything.There are alot of stuff people modify that is not leagal lol we modify our pc computers software up the yin yang. I need facts leagal disclaimers or something to make me beleive its not leagal. Pretty much can we be charged with anything? Im sure ms dosnt like it but would fbi file charges? you sould be able to modify your system to do what you want. If I wanted to wipe all ms's stuff off and run linux thats fine its mine right? lets go back 10 years look at evox and unleash ect. now that is some modded ms code I never herd of anyone getting charged. So facts please only no opinions
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axel09
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11. January 2009 @ 22:58 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
MS's code which has been modified by an unauthorizied third party = illegal.
maybe if you were selling the code that would be illeagal,I think that answers the question. Cant sell the hacked firmware just like you cant sell a game but is not illeagal to have a copy. Correct me if im wrong
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iceyt
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11. January 2009 @ 23:00 |
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the actual code itself is 100 percent legal. But the act of flashing it to your rom drive is illegal. Although it is still a debate i think somewhere out there as to where it is illegal or not. I like to think it is legal because as stated before once you buy the console it is yours and can do what ever you want with it...
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11. January 2009 @ 23:10 |
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You guys are kidding, right?
When you buy the 360, you buy the rights to use the software which operates the console.
THE RIGHTS TO USE
You don't own the software. The people who own it are MS and their partners who developed the 360. It is clearly illegal to reverse-engineer any of the hardware or software, modify it, and then use it for your own purpose.
And that is what the hacked (xtreme & ixtreme) firmware is. It's MS's code which has been altered.
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12. January 2009 @ 12:33 |
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just putting in my two cents. as i know the law, it's illegal to modify any electronic device in a manner that circumvents any DRM.(DMCA) so that would make the process of modding your 360 illegal. and as others said, seeing that the firmware is a modified version of microsoft's copyrighted platform, i'm pretty sure that would be illegal as well. and while u can download off the web, it's usually a single person uploading it. legimate sites never have the firmware, i.e. xbox-scene, xbox360 hacker ect. and they usually site that its the platform is copyrighted by microsoft.
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12. January 2009 @ 12:41 |
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Originally posted by snowbb451:
just putting in my two cents. as i know the law, it's illegal to modify any electronic device in a manner that circumvents any DRM.(DMCA) so that would make the process of modding your 360 illegal. and as others said, seeing that the firmware is a modified version of microsoft's copyrighted platform, i'm pretty sure that would be illegal as well. and while u can download off the web, it's usually a single person uploading it. legimate sites never have the firmware, i.e. xbox-scene, xbox360 hacker ect. and they usually site that its the platform is copyrighted by microsoft.
Is 100% correct.
Under the DMCA(USA) it is illegal to use software/hardware to circumvent copy protection. Most other countries have or are plaining on adopting similar laws like DMCA.
Saying I bought the Xbox 360 I should be able to do what I want with it won't change the law.
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Homesick2
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13. January 2009 @ 00:27 |
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i like the sig, and yes it is illegal. altered code.
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axel09
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13. January 2009 @ 04:29 |
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I said facts your "im pretty sures" arnt good enough
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axel09
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13. January 2009 @ 04:30 |
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Originally posted by larrylje:
Originally posted by snowbb451:
just putting in my two cents. as i know the law, it's illegal to modify any electronic device in a manner that circumvents any DRM.(DMCA) so that would make the process of modding your 360 illegal. and as others said, seeing that the firmware is a modified version of microsoft's copyrighted platform, i'm pretty sure that would be illegal as well. and while u can download off the web, it's usually a single person uploading it. legimate sites never have the firmware, i.e. xbox-scene, xbox360 hacker ect. and they usually site that its the platform is copyrighted by microsoft.
Is 100% correct.
Under the DMCA(USA) it is illegal to use software/hardware to circumvent copy protection. Most other countries have or are plaining on adopting similar laws like DMCA.
Saying I bought the Xbox 360 I should be able to do what I want with it won't change the law.
what law are you talking about? are you just guessing?where did you read this link?
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13. January 2009 @ 08:01 |
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what do you mean what law? Did you not read the post? THE DMCA
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13. January 2009 @ 09:02 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
what do you mean what law? Did you not read the post? THE DMCA
Some people are just thick. It's too hard for him to read what's posted and then research it on his own. They need spoon fed.
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Homesick2
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13. January 2009 @ 11:24 |
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i bent the spoon on my last user, i just split the bread and butter with this one.
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13. January 2009 @ 12:56 |
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Haha I love these forums.
Come for the info, stay for the laughs.
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snowbb451
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13. January 2009 @ 18:20 |
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Originally posted by axel09:
I said facts your "im pretty sures" arnt good enough
i said "pretty sure", because i'm not sure on what the copyright laws are, as far as microsoft firmware platform. but like i said if you modify any multimedia device in a manner that circumvents DRM', then under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, it is illegal. so modding your console is illegal. i'm just not sure whether modifying and distributing the firmware is or not.
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axel09
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18. January 2009 @ 02:33 |
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well yall can think what you want. explain why 360mods . com has a service to mod boxes and everybody and there momma are wanting to do the same on youtube? practicly since I got in this scene 6 months ago and I never herd of anyone getting busted modding xbox1's
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18. January 2009 @ 03:11 |
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Originally posted by axel09:
well yall can think what you want. explain why 360mods . com has a service to mod boxes and everybody and there momma are wanting to do the same on youtube? practicly since I got in this scene 6 months ago and I never herd of anyone getting busted modding xbox1's
Let me see if I can dumb this down to your level. When you agree to use the xbox 360 software, you agree to the Microsoft Xbox 360 End User Agreement. That agreement states and I quote Quote:
If you receive from us software or content (e.g., text, images, video, graphics, music, sound , games) associated with the Service (for purposes of this Section 1 2, we refer to all of these, as applicable, as ?software?), your use of that software is under the terms of the license (including any statement of specific authorized uses or restrictions, such as the Special Video Content described in Section 1 3 below) presented to you for acceptance with that software. If there is no license presented to you, or unless otherwise stated in this contract, then we grant you a limited, personal, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the software only for and during the authorized use of this Service and/or the game or other product to which the software relates. You may not copy, download, modify or create derivative works, publish, transmit, sell or attempt to sell or transfer, or otherwise use or exploit any software unless we or our suppliers have expressly allowed you to do so.
Using their machine and their software means you agreed to not break that rule, and by modifying anything about the software that the xbox console uses is violating your contract with them and therefore illegal.
If you still want to start a flame war, call microsoft and ask them and see what they say.
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18. January 2009 @ 11:27 |
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Originally posted by axel09:
well yall can think what you want. explain why 360mods . com has a service to mod boxes and everybody and there momma are wanting to do the same on youtube? practicly since I got in this scene 6 months ago and I never herd of anyone getting busted modding xbox1's
And because these people are doing it, that makes it legal how?
Let's turn this around. Let us ask you the question.
Show us the law saying it's legal to take others work and modify it for your own use. And we want, as quoted from you in an earlier post,
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I said facts your "im pretty sures" arnt good enough
Also, if you've been in the scene for 6 months and haven't read anythign about people getting busted, then I wouldn't go around telling people you're "in the scene".
If you would just simply punch in a few key words in to the Google search box, you would find endless articles about modders being caught.
Here... I'll spoon feed you this example.
http://www.google.com/search?q=mod+chip+...ex=&startPage=1
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axel09
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20. January 2009 @ 00:49 |
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checkmate, but most of them were selling games
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20. January 2009 @ 12:27 |
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Originally posted by axel09:
checkmate, but most of them were selling games
Oh, I hear ya.
There's no doubt people are still do it. I see it on numerous web sites, Craigslist, ebay, even in my local paper's for sale ads.
They get away with it because they just aren't "big time" modders. The autorities start with the big operations and work their way down.
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axel09
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20. January 2009 @ 12:32 |
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well like I said the guys sellin games are tryin to be to big that is the illeagal part. All we have to go by if it is a chargable offence and nobody is getting busted just softmodding xboxs
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