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necessity of dvd43 or anydvd before dvdshrink?
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gigie
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Question #1
Is it unnecessary to use ANYDVD or DVD43 prior to attempting DVD shrink or prior to decryptor? does DVDshrink or decryptor already perform this function as well?
I would also like to thank all those who have put together a very informative site.
Gigie
P.s.
I was referencing Pete's recipe that I have found useful as I research each software's role and function (see below)
Pete's Basic Cooking Recipes
1. DVDShrink (ver. 3.0 Beta 5, ver. 3.1.4 and ver. 3.1.6 Beta 2) + Nero
2. DVD43 / AnyDVD (I have both) + CloneDVD
3. DVD43 / AnyDVD + DVD2One
4. DVD43 / AnyDVD + Nero Recode 2
5. DVD Decrypter in File mode, (for DVD-5's) + Nero
6. DVD XCopy Xpress (ver. 2.5.1, 3.0 and 3.2.1) + 321 Gone
7. Decrypter in ISO mode
There ya go -
Pete
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Question #2
Do I have this right? If decryptor is used to go directly to file then that in turn can be burned directly provided it fits on one DVDr but the decryptor iso image is utilized to edit out enough extras or compress so that the DVD9 can fit onto a single DVD?
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13. March 2004 @ 19:27 |
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Hi gigie, My buddy Pete is the man with the answers. If he tells you how to do something, you can't go wrong.
As to your question about Anydvd or DVD43. Its not necessary to run them with Shrink or Decrypter. I only use Anydvd behind shrink on the few movies Shrink may have problems with. Probably less than 5%. It can't hurt, but not necessary.
If I read part 2 right, You can use Decrypter straight up if the original is a dvd5 and no compression is needed. If the original is a DVD9, most go straight to Shrink and let it do the decrypting and compressing in one step. I personally use CloneDVD with Anydvd most of the time so I can edit out the trailers and extras I don't want, but can keep the menu intact and working. Hope this answered your questions. If not come on back.
Someone will be glad to help.
Jerry
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gigie
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14. March 2004 @ 06:31 |
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Thanks Jerry!
Gigie
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rick5446
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25. March 2004 @ 07:07 |
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Hello Jerry!!Quick question about CloneDVD.
If u remove preview say 2Min,It leaves a 2Min blank.
Is it useing the same amount of Byte Rate on the disc.
you still have to f/f.Or skip to next chapter
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25. March 2004 @ 07:56 |
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HI Rick, To my knowledge, if you uncheck items in CloneDVD, they are removed not just blanked out. There may be some items linked that show up as blank areas, but for the most part removing items gives you less compression and a better over all quality. I just started using the New CloneDVD 2 which gives you a little better control over the opertion. The old version never gave me a bit of trouble.
Jerry
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25. March 2004 @ 15:16 |
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Thanks,I have'nt tried the new Clone Yet.But I used the old a couple of times to remove Previews.But when I played the disk on my DVD Player,I had blank spots for the same length as the Previews 2to 3 min.& I had to just skip chapters
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The older Clone I use is ver 1.3.9.8. I don't remember seeing any blank areas when removing anything. If I clicked an item in the menu that was removed, it blinks for a second, then loops back to the menu sort of telling me its not there. Ok other wise.
Jerry
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rick5446
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25. March 2004 @ 15:32 |
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Well I'll try it again,maybe something I did wrong
thank you though
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25. March 2004 @ 17:19 |
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Hi Ya Gigie, Welcome to our little corner of the net :-)
Glad you came and joined our little A/D Club -
Anyhoo-how-some-ever way, meaning we a-goinna answer youse inquiry :)
Question 1.
Was handled well by my "Amigo", - "Knowledgeable" Jerry. A lot of us, who have multiple programs that we play with, have either AnyDVD, Region Free or DVD43 running in the background. Me, I let AnyDVD run, DVD43 seems to bother some of my programs :-(
Anyway - You don't have any reason to have it. Save yourself $40.00.
Question 2.
By using DVD Decrypter in the file mode and then using Nero to burn, well it just adds an extra, unnecessary step - maybe I should have left it out (?).
My firm recommendation is DVD Decrypter in the "ISO Read" mode to rip a DVD-5 then switch to "ISO Write" mode to burn to disk - Ya just can't go wrong. (Well if you try to do a DVD-9 it won't work, toooo big :-(
NOTE: When in the ISO Write mode, un-tick the box that says "Verify". It eliminates false error messages.
New great new addition to the list, and belongs at the top is:
DVD Shrink to backup your DVD in the ISO mode and then DVD Decrypter to burn the ISO files to disc. Fast, easy, and 100% FREE - No need to buy a single thing -:D)
(Glad you liked my Recipe page.)
Pete
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24. May 2004 @ 18:11 |
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gigie
You can't go wrong listening to ScubaPete, I have never read a bad suggestion By ScubaPete, This guy knows what he is talking about. Just One Thing SP said
that maybe Nero was an unnessary step???
NERO is never unnessary, It is simply THE BEST ALL IN ONE PROGRAM OUT THERE.
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searcher1, AMEN to that brother! 
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Hi there Searcher1, Welcome to our little club,
I believe that the question dealt with doing a DVD-5 backup. My note was to mean that as long as we had DVD Decrypter out and open - it was simplier to read ISO then change to write ISO to disc. When I said that -
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well it just adds an extra, unnecessary step - maybe I should have left it out (?).
I only meant that it wasn't necessary to open a second program for this particular project.
We can always open more programs -
I.E. Rip with DVD Decrypter in the "File" mode(a bad move that, could cause problems), DVD Shrink, "Open File", edit French and German out of your DVD-5, open DVD2One, open as a source and remove Spanish. Open Nero "Classic" and burn to disc -
Who knows, could be fun to do it that way, lol
Cheers Ya'll and thanks for the kind words -
Pete
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25. May 2004 @ 16:12 |
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Don't know if this belongs in this forum or not but I thought I would pass it on anyway
Blockbuster has a Helluva a special right now
For $25.00 a month plus tx.about $1.75 u can rent 2 movies at a time.If any of u guys are like me I rent a lot of DVD's,that works out to about $6.18 a week.For me thats great as I go by Blockbusters about twice a day,& I'm semi retired.With the average New Releases at Blockbusters & maybe some of the ones u were'nt sure of.It could be about 10 movies a week.Or even at just 3 Movies a week thats only $2.06 per Movie
http://www.blockbuster.com
? Blockbuster Movie Pass: Unlimited Rentals. No Extended Viewing Fees.(More)
Does this read better?
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25. May 2004 @ 16:57 |
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ScubaPete,
I think what you said about DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter was right on the money. But, DVD Decrypter is only good for DVD-5 as we all Know. Too many people are getting confused with this ISO mode. Plus ISO mode causes read errors From time to time, File mode does not, AT LEAST ON MY COMPUTER. DVD Decrypter is too limited in that there is no compression built into the program limiting the burn to DVD-5. If DVD Decrypter came with a compression utility, I would use it Myself, I think it is a good program, As i said before DVD Decrypter is JUST TOO LTMITED!!!
ScubaPete, We all learn form your experience, Keep up the good advice.
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Searcher1,
When using DVD Decrypter "Un-tick" "Verify" in the main screen, it should cut your errors to somewhere around ZERO - lol
Point taken -
Pete
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Or even at just 3 Movies a week thats only $2.06 per Movie plus a$1.00 for GO4 Disc
Rick5447, that line you?re not supposed to cross, it?s behind you - -
Common, you of all people know better, let?s edit that post -
Pete
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brobear
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Searcher1 mentioned that ISO files caused read errors.
Plus ISO mode causes read errors From time to time,
I would like to know when and under what circumstances. I use ISO files with several programs and have yet to run into a read error due to using ISO instead of the regular file setup. ISO and the FAT32 file system have some size issues. But that gets into Operating Systems and most folks are using XP with the NTFS file system (or should be). Even the Windows with FAT32 successfully split the larger ISO files.
DVD Decrypter is only good for DVD-5 as we all Know.
Where did that gem come from? DVD Decrypter is an excellent decryption tool that will remove the encryption and rip large files to HD. The Decrypter is limited as a burning tool but can do the job. DVD Decrypter does not have an encoding program needed to fit larger files onto the smaller DVD5 discs. DVD Decrypter is primarily what the name implies, a decrypter; and a burning tool as a resort. If you notice, the Nero burning ROM doesn't have the encoding software. That is where programs like DVDShrink come into the picture. Does that mean one of the best burning ROMs on the market (Nero) is too limited in that there is no compression built into the program . Sounds like some faulty reasoning because someone may have read something somewhere.
Decrypter is an excellent tool for decrypting files and ripping files to HD as needed. It has limitations as a burner and as there are many better choices, I would advise using them. DVD Decrypter is a convoluted exercise in the use of freeware as a burner(it is free). Even DVDShrink, which does its own ripping, is set up to use Nero as the default choice for a burner. It is default because it is easy and works well with Shrink. Decrypter as a burner with Shrink is a multi-step exercise and not the easy way of doing things. One should learn what particular programs are good for, and use them for their best capabilities. Don't say a good decryption tool is a poor tool because the burner aspect is lacking. Just think, most of the encoding and burning programs no longer include a good ripper.
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14. June 2004 @ 14:58 |
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brobear,
I think scubapete answered the IOS Problem too both My, and everyones satisfaction So lets move on.
The subject under discussion was using DVD Decrypter as A burner with shrink. YES DVD Decrypter AS I SAID IS A GOOD PROGRAM, Pete Understood what I was talking about, LETS NOT BEAT A DEAD HORSE!
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Great that Scubapete and Searcher1 speak the same language, and then there is the rest of the world...
I believe the point of the fallacy was shown. Nuff said.
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brobear,
"Quote" Decrypter as a burner with Shrink is a multi-step exercise and not the easy way of doing things.
Hello, Anybody Home?????
These are your words, not mine.
Decrypter As A ripper is OK, But as A Burner Is,
JUST TOO LIMITED! (Even if it is Free)
Yes, Scubapete and I and the hundreds of others he has helped with his INTELLIGENT COMMENTS,
do speak the same language.
THIS IS A FORUM, Not the world According to brobear,
Nuff Said?
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HEADLINE OF THIS THREAD: necessaty of DVD43 or anydvd before dvdshrink?...
Boy, do I enjoy watching a fight develop anytime and anyplace! Brobear! Searcher1! Give me five minutes to advertise this match! Hold on a minute till I can let everybody know about this!
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Even DVDShrink, which does its own ripping, is set up to use Nero as the default choice for a burner.
Me thinks that a lack of understanding a program should preclude one from making statements which are just plain out-and-out untrue.
DVD Shrink is set up to use DVD Decrypter as an "automatic" default burning tool for those who either don't have the money for an unnecessary program or simply don't wish to spend $49.95 (USD) for a burner when a most excellent one is waiting to do the job for free ?
Once in place, and the proper boxes ?ticked,? the same as Nero, DVD Decrypter will do an excellent job of burning for DVD Shrink.
The difference being when using Nero as a burning tool, the files burned to the blank DVD are those in a VIDEO_TS folder whereas when using DVD Decrypter as a default burner it is an ISO image which is burned. The end result is exactly the same ? a playable DVD.
To expound upon a topic brobear, you should have at least read just a little about it ?
Cheers,
Pete
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Well Pete,
You're absolutely right. If one wants to save their dollars and not buy a good suite of burning software, they can use DVD Decrypter to burn ISO files for DVD Shrink. Sort of limiting but it is free. Nothing untrue there.
I have DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink and the Nero Platinum suite on my PC, minus InCD of course. I know how to use Shrink to create ISO images on the HD. Of course after unticking the default Nero choice and then choosing the other options. Let a Newbie jump in there without detailed instructions. Your instructions are concise, so you make it possible for those wanting to learn how to do so.
I am adept at using decrypters such as SmartRipper, DVD Decrypter, and the like. I can use the Video_TS files. I even tick the little box where it says to preserve multi-angles when I have a movie that requires the choice (other decrypters, not in Shrink). As a lot of software programs utilize ISO files, I even know how to use those.
With Nero Platinum there are still some programs in the suite that I haven't used. Recode2 is one of the good recording programs included, for recording DVD video, that I use a lot. Then there is the burning ROM which works so well with DVD Shrink. (Still say the guy that wrote the DVD Shrink must have had Nero in mind. Otherwise why make it the default burner and the one button ease. Not free though.) Then of course like any good creator of software, the author left backup options open to the user, such as Decrypter.
Glad to see though that you think Shrink and Nero is a good option for those wanting to spend a few dollars. (Never could quite figure out spending the money for a PC with a DVD burner, buying DVDs and movies, and not being willing to spend some dollars for a superior software package: maybe the PC was a gift.) Glad to see you spent some money on software, or were the software gifts? Anyway, just so no one thinks I'm putting words in your mouth, here is a copy of your favorites from another thread here at AD.
ScubaPete?s Basic Cooking Recipes
1. DVDShrink (ver. 3.1.7) ISO mode + DVD Decrypter ISO write mode (FREE)
2. DVD Shrink (ver 3.1.7) + Nero (ver 6. OR ver 5.5)
3. DVD Shrink (ver 3.1.7) + CopyToDVD
4. AnyDVD or DVD43 + DVD2One + CopyToDVD
5. AnyDVD or DVD43 + CloneDVD2
6. AnyDVD or DVD43 + Nero Recode 2
7. For DVD-5's (FREE)
DVD Decrypter in the ISO read mode + DVD Decrypter in the ISO write mode
8. DVD XCopy Xpress (ver. 2.5.1, 3.0 and 3.2.1) + 321 Gone (Pre RF versions)
9. DVD Xcopy - Original (ver 1.5.0, 1.5.2) - (Pre RF versions)
ALSO, it doesn?t hurt to makeup your own Recipe booklet,
Example:
For Starters - I always create a folder on my Desktop named " All DVD Work" and before ripping my DVD?s I create another sub-folder with the name of the movie I'm backing up. (i.e. ?All DVD Work\The last Samurai.?)
Program burning recipes:
When using DVD Shrink & Nero - Make sure in DVD Shrink ?Edit?, ?Preferences?, ?I/O File?, tick the box which says ?Enable burning with Nero?.Also, in ?Backup?, Select Target Device?, Browse until you have your DVD burner. Nero will burn to disc ?Automatically?.
When using DVD Shrink & DVD Decrypter - Make sure in DVD Shrink ?Edit?, ?Preferences?, ?I/O File?, un-tick the box which says ?Enable burning with Nero?.Also, in ?Backup?, Select Target Device? choose ISO Disc Image and remember to ?tick? the box which says, ?Launch DVD Decrypter to burn the output image?. DVD Decrypter will burn to disc ?Automatically?.
When using DVD Shrink and Nero to burn an ISO image, Make sure in DVD Shrink ?Edit?, ?Preferences?, ?I/O File?, un-tick the box which says ?Enable burning with Nero?.Also, in ?Backup?, Select Target Device? choose ISO Disc Image and in ?Select target image file? choose your pre-made file to send your ISO file too. Lastly, remember to ?Un-tick? the box which says, ?Launch DVD Decrypter to burn the output image?.
When using Nero to burn your ISO image, use Nero StartSmart - ?Click? the DVD tab in upper right - then ?click? the 5th tab, under DVD tab "Copy and backup? then choose ?Burn Image to Disc?. This should open Nero Express. Use this to burn your ISO Image to your blank DVD.
Keeping the programs separated is very important.
LASTLY,
As far as Roxio goes, there are a ton of documented cases of Roxio and Nero not playing well together. Should you begin to encounter problems I suggest that you look in Roxio?s direction. At the very least, go to msconfig and un-check anything that deals with Roxio, you don?t have any good reason to have it on your startup board.
When you have time, check Nero out for your Video to DVD projects.
Left the whole thing in there for the Newbies. I liked that part about checking out Nero.
Then again I notice that you have the programs listed differently sometimes, as gigie posted a copy of your recipes with Decrypter following Shrink plus Nero in your choices. I do notice you were working with Betas here and not the new version. Guess they weren't listed in order of your preference or were they?
Pete's Basic Cooking Recipes
1. DVDShrink (ver. 3.0 Beta 5, ver. 3.1.4 and ver. 3.1.6 Beta 2) + Nero
2. DVD43 / AnyDVD (I have both) + CloneDVD
3. DVD43 / AnyDVD + DVD2One
4. DVD43 / AnyDVD + Nero Recode 2
5. DVD Decrypter in File mode, (for DVD-5's) + Nero
6. DVD XCopy Xpress (ver. 2.5.1, 3.0 and 3.2.1) + 321 Gone
7. Decrypter in ISO mode
I think I've used the various programs enough to know how they work. In fact I have all the software listed with the exception of a ripper. I can also read the guides to find a particular setting if I forget something. So I think I am fairly well informed.
Interesting point: Default is the setting that is preset in a program. When one changes a setting it is no longer the default. Most programs come with default settings. Then a person has the option of changing things to suit them. Here is what the website says about DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter:
DVD SHRINK VERSION HISTORY
Version 3.1.7 - 14 March 2004
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Added function to read and write ISO files, also backup option
to burn an ISO file with DVD Decrypter.
Sort of interesting that the official site listed Decrypter as only a backup option. I guess one could say the "default" backup option.
So, I am still saying Nero is the default. Decrypter is a backup option for those not wanting to spend any money or having software problems. Hate to see you calling me a teller of untruths (what's that in plain English?).
Your words, Me thinks that a lack of understanding a program should preclude one from making statements which are just plain out-and-out untrue.
I understand, use the program and in fact check to see what is new with the new versions. I note again that the official website agreed the DVD Decrypter is a backup. So, what's the problem, other than wanting to say I'm wrong when I only go along with the official website? You can play with the semantics of default ISO and default Video_TS all you wish. I made the statement with the production of a recorded movie on a DVD as the final outcome; irregardless of whether one used ISO or Video_TS. Which goes to show Pete, I speak from experience and what I read about the program on the website: DVD SHRINK VERSION HISTORY
Version 3.1.7 - 14 March 2004
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Added function to read and write ISO files, also backup option
to burn an ISO file with DVD Decrypter.
To all - Happy burning, no matter what one wants to record with. Lots of good programs out there, free and retail. Everyone makes their own choice and as long as it is informed, no problem. Most software is a matter of preference and ease of use, and a matter of cost (beware, there is some junk out there). So, don't waste your money; but on the other hand, don't limit yourself by not making wise investments.
This one really got off the subject of AnyDVD and DVD43. I have AnyDVD to. And no, why would a person want to decrypt with a decrypter when the Shrink does the job itself. Sort of a redundant issue. Haven't run into anything yet that I would need to use AnyDVD for instead of the Shrink decryption function. Background decrypters are better suited for programs not having and needing a decrypter. There I finally got back on subject.
For searcher1, if you're still there. Heed your own words, it is a forum and not the domain of any one entity (except the owner of course and his moderators). I have an opinion and I can be wrong sometimes; wish others could say the same. I am open to others opinion and have the right to voice mine. I am able to back up what I say by written info by software companies, reputable researchers, and personal experience with the software. As I said, I can be wrong, I am open to people showing me where I went astray. Personal attacks are usually more demeaning to those who make them. So, I refuse to get into a personal argument. What I stated is my opinion and that of a vast majority of software users. I know there are those who disagree. So there is the forum to state their opinion; not to make personal attacks. I stand behind what I said until proven wrong.
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Pete. Can I butt in and ask a question here?
I use DVD Shrink and dvdcrypter on my machine all the time and although only 2 weeks into this field enjoy it. Sorry getting offtopic. I put the same programs on my friends computer and DVDshrink will not decrypt the file and I have to use decrypter.
As she is more of a newbie than me this is a problem.
I found a site that said when you get this problem install DVD43. I did this and now DVD43 tells me it needs a patin couffin file. What is that and can you guide me where to go from here?
Thanks
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