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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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9. October 2011 @ 15:40 |
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No, I agreed that the temps were wrong, but the fact that any test except from the one or two that show AMD in a positive light is flawed? Not buying it, sorry. If the majority of trusted sites have the same opinion, and one or two (especially sites that have been under intense scrutiny for false reports in the past) have the opposite opinion, I'm siding with the majority. Trusting the wealth of well-respected sites out there over one that repeatedly gets panned for bribery does not make me an Intel fan, and you know that.
The world may be going bust, but Intel's profits are up, year on year. Things can't be going too bad for them. The same is also true of AMD by the way.
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9. October 2011 @ 16:36 |
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Russ what wrong with the games?
crisis is still regarded as one of the most intense games to run, very CPU intensive,
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9. October 2011 @ 17:21 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
Russ what wrong with the games?
crisis is still regarded as one of the most intense games to run, very CPU intensive,
Shaff,
Two games total, don't tell you a lot about how well a computer plays games. There were 8 games in the THW review I posted.
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9. October 2011 @ 17:23 |
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but they are very intense, and crysis was a big game mainsteam wise. though i agree they should have mainstays like cod or bf aswell.
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9. October 2011 @ 17:24 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
Russ what wrong with the games?
crisis is still regarded as one of the most intense games to run, very CPU intensive,
Shaff,
Two games total, don't tell you a lot about how well a computer plays games. There were 8 games in the THW review I posted.
Russ
Techreport posted a lot more than two games. Don't tell me, they're all Intel-biased?
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9. October 2011 @ 17:25 |
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i like the tech report, very well done reviews whenever i check one, and good podcast aswell.
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9. October 2011 @ 17:26 |
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If a lot of software/games utilize an intel instruction set, that AMD does not support, perhaps there is some bias? I'm asking, I have no idea :S
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9. October 2011 @ 17:27 |
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If that were true, AMD CPUs would be bad for games in general, which they're not, so I doubt that's the case.
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9. October 2011 @ 17:29 |
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I guess what I mean is, if intel has an instruction, that benefits solely intel processors, that would give them an advantage.
Essentially, if AMD had a same or similar instruction, it may level the playing field?
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10. October 2011 @ 16:05 |
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I know this is early days, and we have no real legitimacy to these tests, but that's worrying, very worrying.
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11. October 2011 @ 00:37 |
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That's also only a few tests out of dozens that should be performed. Remember it's very easy to skew results. Notice it puts up equal performance on some tests.
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11. October 2011 @ 00:52 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i like the tech report, very well done reviews whenever i check one, and good podcast aswell.
Shaff,
I never said that it was a bad review. It was an inadequate review that was too narrow in scope, that was biased in Intel's favor!
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11. October 2011 @ 00:59 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I know this is early days, and we have no real legitimacy to these tests, but that's worrying, very worrying.
Sam,
Is there an article that goes with the information you posted? If so, can you provide a link?
Russ
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11. October 2011 @ 01:00 |
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I find this quite entertaining. Nobody really knows the performance of Bulldozer, and we're arguing about it LOL! Patience men, patience :)
My A7M266 Asus board will run a Mobile athlon thoroughbred. Its bios does not recognize it. But it runs. If memory serves, it believed it was running at 800Mhz. And yet it was better than the 1.4 Thunderbird it replaced.
In my opinion, we cannot know the actual performance of bulldozer, until all the kinks are worked out, and boards FULLY support the processor ;)
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11. October 2011 @ 06:04 |
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Nobody has argued about Bulldozer at all yet, this all stemmed from previous articles comparing the Phenom II and Core i5/i7. I agree that this test is limited, and you've even overlooked the biggest flaw with it - it's before the NDA is lifted!
The website is printed in the corner of the graphs - it's the front page article.
Still though, if there is even a grain of truth to these tests, that's scary. The i7 2600K decimates the FX-8150 in some of those tests, and that's the flagship chip.
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11. October 2011 @ 07:02 |
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What is odd to me and I guess I should dig up the site I found what seemed to be good number is on that site they showed Handbrake numbers that showed around 50% performance increase between the Phenom II and the 2600. But as I recall they were looking at processing time and not fps. Like Russ says it would be nice to see their parameters for testing.
Kevin, that was one of the marketing tricks they have been doing for years. Some programs/games are optimized for flaws in Intel processors which means they will not perform as well on AMD instruction sets as well. AMD has also done the same thing too.
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11. October 2011 @ 08:45 |
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I'll have to agree with both parties that the graphs shown could easily have been fabricated or manipulated in some way. Also the NDA is still in effect, so if those graphs are legit, someone's in trouble.
Also, the rest of the review on that site paints it in a slightly more favorable light. From what I can see it largely competes well except in memory bandwidth and number crunching...
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11. October 2011 @ 08:55 |
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Granted, a fair few of the tests are close to equal. But they shouldn't be, really. Remember this is an 8-core CPU going up against a 4-core CPU. For it to perform equally at best, and far slower at worst, is a serious problem.
I'm hoping that the benches are false, and that Bulldozer performs better than that, but the MSRPs caused me to question my expectations of the architecture, and this hasn't helped, spurious as it may be.
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11. October 2011 @ 12:43 |
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I hope they're false as well. But, as long as six of its cores are equal or close to equal to 1090t, I'll be content. Because I'm sure 8150 will smoke my current quad, in X264 encoding.
They are expected to release a revised bulldozer shortly after eh? Much like phenom I gave rise to phenom II.
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11. October 2011 @ 12:50 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I hope they're false as well. But, as long as six of its cores are equal or close to equal to 1090t, I'll be content. Because I'm sure 8150 will smoke my current quad, in X264 encoding.
They are expected to release a revised bulldozer shortly after eh? Much like phenom I gave rise to phenom II.
but that means in what 2 years the performance has gone up none.
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11. October 2011 @ 12:52 |
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AMD have already stated that the revision of Bulldozer will only be a c.10% increase.
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11. October 2011 @ 12:59 |
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And you're talking stock frequencies. Correct? And since it has proven to be a good overclocker, I'm sure I'll be impressed. If it can hit 4.5Ghz, I'll probably be happy. But I read a while back, that 5 should be reachable on air? Of course I prefer water now ;)
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11. October 2011 @ 13:04 |
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It hasn't proven anything. They got the Phenom IIs to 7Ghz on liquid nitrogen, but they don't overclock very well compared to Sandy Bridge CPUs, which I think only got as far as 6Ghz. There's no guarantee that joe public will be able to overclock Bulldozer to any higher clocks than Phenom 2.
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11. October 2011 @ 13:10 |
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It seems like it was a statement by AMD themselves. Not sure where I read it now :S I realize that just because they broke the overclock record, doesn't mean all the bulldozer chips will be capable of extreme frequencies(but it sure does look like a more stable CPU). I actually read that 5 was was an achievable clock. I guess time will tell.
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11. October 2011 @ 17:02 |
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Definitely the Intels overclock better than the AMDs right now. and they should be stock testing although sometimes they do OC tests, but they'll still do factory tests too.
If AMD is saying 10% increase that isn't very much and is still short of the Sandy, the way AMD was talking a while back I thought for sure they were going to have a contender if not exceed Intels products.
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