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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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29. September 2011 @ 04:33 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
The cheapy testers are only positive when they actually test a PSU as bad. You can have a bad supply and those testers may show them as good.
Not necessarily as good, but working. I have seen where the tester reads that it is "working", but giving low readings. The PC wouldnt post, and swapping the PSU fixed it, So it "worked" but not as rated, or enough to power anything.
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29. September 2011 @ 05:34 |
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You can use a digital multimeter at certain points to test voltages but it can only tell you so much...
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29. September 2011 @ 11:55 |
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@Deadrum33, That proves my point. :D
@Estuansis, A DVMM is worst than the PSU tester as it only checks the voltage and doesn't put the PS under load like the tester does. So if you have a tester use it first, if you want to check if your voltages are fluctuating use a DVMM. The new testers even have digital read outs for voltage now so a DVMM wouldn't even be needed with them.
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2. October 2011 @ 21:41 |
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Toying with the notion of purchasing 1090t. I realize Bulldozer isn't far away, but i'd really like to see a performance boost with X264 encoding. I'd like the WD30EZRX, but I'm nervous about it operating with the supplied card that came with my WD30EZRS. Theoretically, it should work, given backwards compatibility. Surely WD30EZRX doesn't require a Sata III UEFI port...
I hope if I do get 1090t, it behaves similarly in regards to my Ram. Apparently my board supports DDR3-1600, but Phenoms do not. Which is why I'm underclocked to 1333. I gather the 1600 support was merely a gimmick, since no AMD processor at the time would support it.
I suppose the 1600 Support was limited to being overclocked though.
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2. October 2011 @ 21:48 |
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Ummm, processor memory speed support is just about null for AMDs. I'm using the same chipset as you Omega with the same CPU and my 1600MHz memory runs just fine.
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2. October 2011 @ 21:52 |
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Are you saying your memory is stable at 1600 speeds? I may have to try again :S
Sam, you ever have problems with your SD slot on your Dell? Mine dropped connection in mid transfer, now I have an error with that port. I'm hoping its either a registry or driver error. I'm gonna boot up my Velociraptor and see if the error is there as well. If the slot works, I'm not sure how I'm gonna uninstall it properly from my current OS/settings.
Booted up the Veloci, which was oblivious to my new Dell. The SD slot appears to be toast. Which is probably my own fault. It behaves similarly to a button. I was unaware of this. I slipped the card in til it stopped. So the connection was not tight like it should be. Because of this, I can never use the slot again :( I've never seen a slot quite like this one. I'm not returning the Dell, because of a simple SD slot! I'll live LOL!
I think it caused a problem on the controller card within the Dell. Because now I get a message in device manager that won't go away. No biggie.
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2. October 2011 @ 22:28 |
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Yep it runs perfectly in IBT for 10 runs on the high stress level. Plays all my games just fine too. Just running on the advertised settings as well. Mind you this is 1.52v memory meant for mid-year i5/i7 rigs, not 1.65v standard like yours. The only reason I can think that it would be unstable at 1600MHz is if your overclock is unstable. The memory speed itself should be entirely independent on a Black Edition. Try turning your CPU down to 3.8 when you try the memory at 1600. Of course I might try the opposite and downclock my memory and try hitting 4GHz.
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2. October 2011 @ 23:39 |
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Kevin, Dell drop off the monitor to you and take the defective one, iicr
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3. October 2011 @ 00:45 |
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I'm not sure what you mean :S
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3. October 2011 @ 01:40 |
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Shaff or myself?
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3. October 2011 @ 02:00 |
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Shaff. Take the defective one?
Shaff, Are you suggesting, that they'll replace my current monitor, and have a return label for the existing one? Essentially I pay nothing?
It'd be my luck, the next one has dead pixels, or something else :(
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3. October 2011 @ 02:15 |
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What is Dell's dead pixel policy? How many dead pixels is considered acceptable by them?
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3. October 2011 @ 02:21 |
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At the time of purchase they told me 3 dead pixels was policy for my 2407WFP. It might have changed from series to series or over time(I purchased in late 2006).
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3. October 2011 @ 02:28 |
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It really should be zero! A defect is a defect! :p
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3. October 2011 @ 02:49 |
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I can guarantee you it isn't! It depends on screen size but I know for a fact that normally 2-3 pixels is considered good from most manufactures and that can go as high as 6-7 pixels. I haven't dealt with Dell in a while but I know they had a bad pixel policy too years ago so I would think they still do. It is pretty tough for manufactures to produce flat panels without some bad pixels here and there. If they didn't accept a few bad pixels flat panels would sky rocket in price because they would reject way too many panels. This is why they have bad pixel policies.
Here is Dell's Bad Pixel Policy
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3. October 2011 @ 03:10 |
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Perhaps that is why they charge so much. To enforce a "zero dead pixel" policy. It seems like I've seen that somewhere. Given what the masses use their Ultrasharp line for, it wouldn't surprise me. Photo/video editors need perfect monitors for their trade. Which is a big reason why I got it. I love photoshop, but the best way to experience it is with a monitor that has excellent viewing angles, good refresh rate, etc. Top of the line :D
I didn't buy a $500 SD port. That was just a plus. Since everything else works perfectly, it'd be risky to trade for another. I do blame myself for the malfunction. It makes perfect sense to me. Imagine a flash drive barely connected to a port. Like 1/100th of an inch. That isn't very much. That could wreak havoc on both the drive, and port. Thankfully, my SD card suffered no ill effects. I'm very greatfull for that. It was $60USD after all :p
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3. October 2011 @ 03:15 |
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So with UltraSharp you could get stuck with up to 5 dead dark pixels,pixels that are truly dead, turned off not full on.
There is a way to message dead pixels and possibly get them back in case you ever need to try that.
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3. October 2011 @ 03:19 |
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Yah, that's unfortunate. Thankfully I have zero. Which is why I wouldn't trade it for anything :) Unless something serious happens in the next 3 yrs.
I may just make the next monitor something in the same class. Not sure yet. I have many plans :D My samsung had a dark pixel that corrected itself. Or it was while I was cleaning it one day. I had to rub fairly hard to clean it. I just noticed it was gone one day. Perhaps that is why they shrug the stuck/dead pixels. Because a good percentage of them are correctable.
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3. October 2011 @ 04:10 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Yep it runs perfectly in IBT for 10 runs on the high stress level. Plays all my games just fine too. Just running on the advertised settings as well. Mind you this is 1.52v memory meant for mid-year i5/i7 rigs, not 1.65v standard like yours. The only reason I can think that it would be unstable at 1600MHz is if your overclock is unstable. The memory speed itself should be entirely independent on a Black Edition. Try turning your CPU down to 3.8 when you try the memory at 1600. Of course I might try the opposite and downclock my memory and try hitting 4GHz.
Estuansis,
One of the big differences between the 790X, and the newer tech 990X is it seems to be more seamless with better thruput on the AM3+ boards. The tech of the 790x is getting close to 3 years old now, and a lot of improvements have been made in the latest motherboards and CPUs. I know this kid down the street from me built a Athlon II x II 7850 Dual Core on a 790x like mine. He just bought an Athlon IIx4 940 Propus Quad for it. This is the third generation for the 3.0GHz "Little Quad that Could", and the difference between it and my old 630 is like night and day. All the newest ones have better memory cache performance and C3 stepping. By the numbers it benchmarked right at 10% better in the 790X than the 2.8GHz 630 did at 3.0GHz. The 640 overclocks much better than the 630 did, and can hit 4.0GHz pretty easy with the newest 640s. Later in the week, we are going to test it in my motherboard and see what the 640 can do on the 990X. From looking at the numbers at 3.0GHz, I would guess about a 13 to 15% improvement stock, and maybe more. I'm pleased with the choice of Cas7 1333MHz 1.5v DDR3@ 7-7-7-21 in mine, and works well with the 600MHz increase in North Bridge frequency, with the HT link speed at 2400MHz for a 5000MT/s Hyper Transport on a 4000MT/s CPU. Works for me!
My 1090t will run at 4.2GHz at less than 1.40v, but I'm not planning on stressing it a lot as it will never be used at that speed anyway! I did Run an 8+GB 1080p file through DVDRB/CCE 2 pass at 4.2GHz, and knocked 7 minutes off or my previously recorded time, and it didn't shut down or exceed 43C. Needless to say I'm pretty pleased with it. I'll report on how the 3.0GHz 640 Quad does on my motherboard, but from what I'm seeing is if your are planning on staying with AMD, then a socket AM3+ motherboard and DDR3 will give you a very decent boost in performance for any socket AM3 CPU, so it's a very worthwhile upgrade, and you are ready for Bulldozer. Can't beat that with a stick!
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3. October 2011 @ 04:17 |
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Heard it through the grapevine from an undisclosed friend in the industry that some places have received Bulldozers for testing. Also, they seem to actually not suck. He told me a bit more but the basic idea he gave me is their price will make them very competitive. He wasn't at liberty to tell me any more than that though :P
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3. October 2011 @ 05:43 |
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Omega: I have never had an issue with the SD slot or the USB hub on any of the three Ultrasharps that I've owned. You're positive that your monitor wasn't a refurb?
As for the EZRX drive, it should work fine with the controller your EZRS came with, but only with that controller. Whether it works in your board's SATA ports is probably down to luck, but it's certainly not guaranteed to work.
Jeff: I'll believe it when I see it. The Phenom II CPUs are competitive for their price, but that's just it. They aren't competitive overall because the only AMD CPUs you can buy are cheap ones, because of their lack of performance compared to i5s and i7s.
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3. October 2011 @ 05:59 |
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From the way he made it sound they are comparable to the i7/i5 clock-for-clock or at least in the same ballpark. Again he wouldn't give me numbers so I only have hints to work with here. Just let it be known that they look very promising. Remember, even without matching or beating the i7, AMD still has room to make huge strides. Importantly, if it even gets close to the i7, the price alone makes them a solid buy. General consensus though says to wait for the upcoming post-release revisions they will be making.
I have a feeling it's going to parallel the Phenom II ie a great product in its own right, but not as fast overall.
Also consider that they are releasing it as an octo-core from the get-go. So in heavily multi-threaded applications(where most software is leaning these days) they will have a distinct advantage. Of course such an advantage is moot if the actual per-clock-per-core performance is not as good. So I'm in the same camp as you Sam. I'll believe it when I see it.
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3. October 2011 @ 06:00 |
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I have considerable doubts. Comparable to the i5/i7 dollar-for-dollar would make a lot more sense. Remember the highest end quad core is being released with a default clock speed in excess of 4Ghz. If they were comparable to Sandy Bridge CPUs, that thing would decimate Intel's current lineup, and the price they're asking for it is tiny. Seems too good to be true to me.
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3. October 2011 @ 06:03 |
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Read my edit. Also iirc number of cores works a bit differently for Bulldozer so we really don't know what that 4+ GHz clock really means. Who knows, maybe overclocking like nobody's business helps :P
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3. October 2011 @ 06:07 |
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The 8-core CPUs will be where Bulldozer wins. No doubt, as long as the Bulldozer arch. makes any improvement at all on Phenom II, the 8-core chips will be hot stuff against Intel's hexes. At the moment I'm dubious about the Phenom II X6 because it's basically no faster than Intel's best quad cores, so in intensive CPU work, the extra cores are redundant. 8 cores though, it'll definitely only be going up against CPUs like the 970 and 980X/990X, and that will be interesting because of the considerable cost advantage.
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