Originally posted by ZoSoIV:

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WindowsXP is going to lose support in the near future May of 2014 ,i think so it wouldn't make sense to upgrade my machine and still use XP..i see no other choice other than Windows7 I've worked with it some and like it so far...i milked this machine way to long and need an update bad..the DDR2 ram and small HDDs are almost stone age lol...BTW I'm going with two 1TB HDDs which brands are leading the pack?...I'm sticking with a updated Asus MB and Intel QuadCore and a updated Videocard and DDR3 ram...the ODDs(other than maybe getting a Blu-Ray drive) power supply and case are fine..should be a pretty simply upgrade actually..this big Antec 1200 case is easy to work with, plenty of room

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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Ripper. I use DVD rebuilder frequently on Windows 7 X64. Not one problem, not one tweak. But then, I don't use the UAC. It's the first thing I disable. Silliest thing I've ever seen in a windows OS!

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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Russ, isn't it possible, that you simply bought a mouse that slipped through the cracks? And I say again... My positive experience with windows 7 has been FAR GREATER than that of XP. NO exaggeration here :p

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Originally posted by Russ:

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It's been 3 years since Win 7 was released, isn't it about time for some progress? I think that's a fair question!

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Originally posted by Sam:

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I perceive Windows 8 as an aesthetic upgrade really, it looks a lot nicer than W7 imo, and it boots a lot faster, but that's about all that wows me about it.
The double whammy for me was the opportunity to get a legitimate license for Windows on several machines for cheap.

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Originally posted by Ripper:

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Yeah I think it was merely a UAC issue, which should be disabled for any half competent PC user anyway.

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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Russ, isn't it possible, that you simply bought a mouse that slipped through the cracks? And I say again... My positive experience with windows 7 has been FAR GREATER than that of XP. NO exaggeration here :p

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Oman7,
I don't think so! If I did, I bought two of them that didn't work properly. The point being that I bought M$ so I wouldn't have compatibility problems. It says right on the box that they are Win 7 compatible! It sometimes slows the computer to a crawl, literally so slow that the mouse pointer appears not to move at all. The HDD light goes on solid, and it appears it's locked up, but it isn't, it's just in super slow motion. I mean come on, who's kidding who here? I/O problems with something as simple as a wireless mouse, in the 21st century? ROFLMSOAO!! It did it with the 10909t, the PIIx4-965, and the FX-8320! The advantage of having two of everything, except the CPU, and testing everything, I concluded it's the Mouse or a problem with it's software.

Another more serious problem, is disabling Older software claiming that your computer might be at risk so it's been shut down to prevent damage to your computer. Sometimes you get a fix in a day or two, or it could be months. I use XP Office. I've used it since I originally bought XP. It was the first productivity App I bought for it! I can write an entire book, with illustrations and pictures, in any language in the world, and provide the printer the "plates", either electronic or real! to print it with! I have CS6, CS9 and Enterprise (CS10 I think) as well. My preference is to use XP-Office, that I paid close to $400 for originally! It's also not limited to one computer! I don't appreciate it when it doesn't work!

The GUI is the biggest joke I've even seen. Do you realize that you can get so lost in the hopelessly endless, "if this doesn't work try this" trap", that you can use up most of your resources before you ever find what you are looking for.

Windows media player, is another total piece of crap! Half the time, Sub Titles don't work, or only partly work, with no cue for starting the movie again, where it was previously stopped. It offers literally no video controls, half assed scaling, so the picture doesn't always play full screen side to side, when you want it to.

What we got with Win 7, is low wage, just out of school programers, who sacrificed performance and function for bling! Here's a list of things that are missing from various parts of Win 7!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fe...ed_in_Windows_7

I'll warn you ahead of time, what M$ has done. It's not just that things are missing, but some are only partly missing, and function only within certain parts of the GUI, but not all of it. In effect, they are blocking some components of the GUI system, so they can be used by the parts of it that do work!

It also affects third party software, like AVG, where you can't access the virus vault, because of the work arounds in the GUI. What will really drive people nuts is that the real oddity is that some programs will run perfect from the desktop, but not from the program list, and vice versa! That should be fun!
I.
The bottom line is that Win 7 is not a complete OS, it's a work in progress that contains many kludges. It's been 3 years since Win 7 was released, isn't it about time for some progress? I think that's a fair question!

Best Regards,
Russ

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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XP was never bloated but it did have problems with compatibility/driver issues at first and wasn't stable until SP1 when it became a good OS at that point. Vista is still bloatware crap that can't run older programs, but Windows 7 is pretty good and unlike Vista I can run old programs and games that I can't run with Vista 32 or 64 versions. XP had problems because they made a big jump from their gaming OS and business OS's, which were separate prior, and they merged them together, ME didn't help in the conversion either.

I use AVG and it runs fine on Windows 7. I've installed it on many PC's and never had one problem attributed to the OS or in AVG's operation. This is with both free versions and full suite packages too.

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Originally posted by Deadrum33:

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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Russ, isn't it possible, that you simply bought a mouse that slipped through the cracks? And I say again... My positive experience with windows 7 has been FAR GREATER than that of XP. NO exaggeration here :p

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Oman7,
I don't think so! If I did, I bought two of them that didn't work properly. The point being that I bought M$ so I wouldn't have compatibility problems. It says right on the box that they are Win 7 compatible! It sometimes slows the computer to a crawl, literally so slow that the mouse pointer appears not to move at all. The HDD light goes on solid, and it appears it's locked up, but it isn't, it's just in super slow motion. I mean come on, who's kidding who here? I/O problems with something as simple as a wireless mouse, in the 21st century? ROFLMSOAO!! It did it with the 10909t, the PIIx4-965, and the FX-8320! The advantage of having two of everything, except the CPU, and testing everything, I concluded it's the Mouse or a problem with it's software.

Another more serious problem, is disabling Older software claiming that your computer might be at risk so it's been shut down to prevent damage to your computer. Sometimes you get a fix in a day or two, or it could be months. I use XP Office. I've used it since I originally bought XP. It was the first productivity App I bought for it! I can write an entire book, with illustrations and pictures, in any language in the world, and provide the printer the "plates", either electronic or real! to print it with! I have CS6, CS9 and Enterprise (CS10 I think) as well. My preference is to use XP-Office, that I paid close to $400 for originally! It's also not limited to one computer! I don't appreciate it when it doesn't work!

The GUI is the biggest joke I've even seen. Do you realize that you can get so lost in the hopelessly endless, "if this doesn't work try this" trap", that you can use up most of your resources before you ever find what you are looking for.

Windows media player, is another total piece of crap! Half the time, Sub Titles don't work, or only partly work, with no cue for starting the movie again, where it was previously stopped. It offers literally no video controls, half assed scaling, so the picture doesn't always play full screen side to side, when you want it to.

What we got with Win 7, is low wage, just out of school programers, who sacrificed performance and function for bling! Here's a list of things that are missing from various parts of Win 7!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fe...ed_in_Windows_7

I'll warn you ahead of time, what M$ has done. It's not just that things are missing, but some are only partly missing, and function only within certain parts of the GUI, but not all of it. In effect, they are blocking some components of the GUI system, so they can be used by the parts of it that do work!

It also affects third party software, like AVG, where you can't access the virus vault, because of the work arounds in the GUI. What will really drive people nuts is that the real oddity is that some programs will run perfect from the desktop, but not from the program list, and vice versa! That should be fun!
I.
The bottom line is that Win 7 is not a complete OS, it's a work in progress that contains many kludges. It's been 3 years since Win 7 was released, isn't it about time for some progress? I think that's a fair question!

Best Regards,
Russ

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You complain about incomplete OS? Your beloved XP will have had updates and hotfixes every month for the last 10years up till the end when they just arbitrarily say "we wont support it anymore". 10 years of fixes, isn't it time for progress?

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Originally posted by Blazorthon:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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XP was never bloated but it did have problems with compatibility/driver issues at first and wasn't stable until SP1 when it became a good OS at that point. Vista is still bloatware crap that can't run older programs, but Windows 7 is pretty good and unlike Vista I can run old programs and games that I can't run with Vista 32 or 64 versions. XP had problems because they made a big jump from their gaming OS and business OS's, which were separate prior, and they merged them together, ME didn't help in the conversion either.

I use AVG and it runs fine on Windows 7. I've installed it on many PC's and never had one problem attributed to the OS or in AVG's operation. This is with both free versions and full suite packages too.

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Compared to Windows 2000, Windows XP was very bloated. I didn't consider it good until SP2, but I suppose that is a more subjective and per-situation sort of thing. However, the simple fact is at least in every situation that I'm aware of, XP needed much more system performance and capacity than Windows 2000 needed to run similarly well. I booted up two old 2000 and ME machines a year or two back and they ran better with 128MB and 192MB of SDRAM-100 with a weak P3 each better than XP ran on a system with 512MB of DDR2-533 and a decent for the time P4 630 (3GHz, 2MB L2 cache, and Hyper-Threading) until I threw in another 2GB of RAM for the XP system. XP had very bad resource management.

I don't know of any programs that can't run on Vista that do run on 7 unless you count XP mode. What programs are you talking about?

You may be right about XP's issues being contributed to by MS merging professiona and home use into a single system, but that was not nearly the only issue. It shared a lot of issues with Vista. Like Vista, XP was a LOT more bloated than its predecessor. Lot Vista, it had a lot of driver issues up to even a few years after its launch. It had its good qualities eve nearly on, but the same can be said for even Vista and 8. For example, Vista brought in a much more complete 64 bit experience than XP managed to do and had some innovative changes (and some very bad losses, but still).

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Originally posted by Blazorthon:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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XP was never bloated but it did have problems with compatibility/driver issues at first and wasn't stable until SP1 when it became a good OS at that point. Vista is still bloatware crap that can't run older programs, but Windows 7 is pretty good and unlike Vista I can run old programs and games that I can't run with Vista 32 or 64 versions. XP had problems because they made a big jump from their gaming OS and business OS's, which were separate prior, and they merged them together, ME didn't help in the conversion either.

I use AVG and it runs fine on Windows 7. I've installed it on many PC's and never had one problem attributed to the OS or in AVG's operation. This is with both free versions and full suite packages too.

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Compared to Windows 2000, Windows XP was very bloated. I didn't consider it good until SP2, but I suppose that is a more subjective and per-situation sort of thing. However, the simple fact is at least in every situation that I'm aware of, XP needed much more system performance and capacity than Windows 2000 needed to run similarly well. I booted up two old 2000 and ME machines a year or two back and they ran better with 128MB and 192MB of SDRAM-100 with a weak P3 each better than XP ran on a system with 512MB of DDR2-533 and a decent for the time P4 630 (3GHz, 2MB L2 cache, and Hyper-Threading) until I threw in another 2GB of RAM for the XP system. XP had very bad resource management.

I don't know of any programs that can't run on Vista that do run on 7 unless you count XP mode. What programs are you talking about?

You may be right about XP's issues being contributed to by MS merging professiona and home use into a single system, but that was not nearly the only issue. It shared a lot of issues with Vista. Like Vista, XP was a LOT more bloated than its predecessor. Lot Vista, it had a lot of driver issues up to even a few years after its launch. It had its good qualities eve nearly on, but the same can be said for even Vista and 8. For example, Vista brought in a much more complete 64 bit experience than XP managed to do and had some innovative changes (and some very bad losses, but still).

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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There are tons of programs that won't install or run on Vista that do operate fine on XP and Seven, tons.... I play with a lot of games and business programs so I see more then the average Joe I guess.

NT/2000 was only good for business and ME was a gaming platform and poor one at that. XP was the blending of the two and because of that it did have more overhead but I wouldn't call that bloat. Also XP was built for a stronger base then 2K/ME so it should be that 2K or ME will run better on older gear, that is almost always true. ME and Vista bloat with time and Vista is a major resource hog, Seven is not and actually Windows 8 actually even performs better resource wise then 7. Vista is pretty and I think that is what people like, functionality doesn't seem to be important to Vista lovers. Unlike Russ I don't mind change as long as it is good unfortunately too often change is bad i.e, Metro....

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Visa was Micro$oft's mistake, not ours. Why are we being made to pay for it?

Best Regards,
Russ

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Another thing about Win 7 that drives me nuts is they are constantly removing programs that I use all the time! Here's a partial list to give you an idea of what they removed.
7Zip, Win.rar, convertXtoDVD, Registry crawler 4, Hardware Monitor Pro, Sandra, TuneUp Utilities 2012 (permanently crippled), 1 click Fixer (permanently crippled), CleanMyPc, and Dragon Speaking. When I say crippled, I meant permanently! You can't use it on any computer! That's outrageous! My bought and paid for, legit software!

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Your way off base Blaz, ME was the King of bloating, the KING hands down and I just disagree with you on XP being bloated, it was not. It is a fact that games and programs that run on XP and 7 won't run on Vista. That is why 7 was so revamped from Vista and is truly just an extension of it. It is also why businesses wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. So if I wanted to waste my time I could dig through my list and provide you many examples but I'm not going to waste my time so believe it or not if you choose, it doesn't matter to me.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Another thing about Win 7 that drives me nuts is they are constantly removing programs that I use all the time! Here's a partial list to give you an idea of what they removed.
7Zip, Win.rar, convertXtoDVD, Registry crawler 4, Hardware Monitor Pro, Sandra, TuneUp Utilities 2012 (permanently crippled), 1 click Fixer (permanently crippled), CleanMyPc, and Dragon Speaking. When I say crippled, I meant permanently! You can't use it on any computer! That's outrageous! My bought and paid for, legit software!

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What do you mean by this? With the exception of RegistryCrawler, I've used every one of those programs on Windows 7 and never had any problems with any of them except for Everest (which is a flaw in Everest, not in windows).

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