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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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4. June 2013 @ 18:06 |
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I WANT a higher resolution monitor! It's not practical at the moment :( I'm working on an invention, and need the funds for that. I may hold out though for an even higher resolution monitor. Though the GPU/s needed to run at anything higher than 2560 x 1600, would no doubt be expensive, and power hungery LOL! But, my invention will make my electrical bill trivial :p
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4. June 2013 @ 19:37 |
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That's a nice layout he has a chair very similar to mine too. He could benefit though from a dual monitor arm which is what I will be doing.
MonoPrice DUAL Monitor Desk Mount Bracket
It says 15" to 22" but that isn't true as I have dual 24's on the one I have and I could easily put my 27" on it I believe. They say smaller due to the Vesa mounting size truly the most important factors are the distance the two arms move apart and of course the weight they can handle.
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4. June 2013 @ 21:04 |
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Originally posted by omega:
But, my invention will make my electrical bill trivial :p
Hmmmm. I see. Well let me ask you, Kevin, is water involved in any way (again!) :P
That chair he is using is nice - you're right, Stevo. He won't take that with him when I move him into his room with the MAC and the 3 monitors side by side (unless he insists.) As I recall it's all leather - I remember picking it up for around $200 as a gift for a family member in LA who does a lot of writing at a desk computer, and was getting backaches - but the chair wouldn't fit in her new place.
Regarding that mounting bracket - interesting idea. That might be something we end up doing. The sunroom is supposed to only be temporary (I want my test-bench back, lol) and the idea is to move him into his room next to his Mac setup that he is on virtually 24/7 (he DLs lots of stuff, like japanese hari-kari flicks - I can't think of the real word - naragame? or is that how you fold paper? - you guys know - the cute girls and stylized cartoons.)
Anyway, one disadvantage of the sunroom with 3 walls of solid windows, is that it gets boiling hot in the summer - and we are almost there - but he has A/C in his room - you know ......... like Sam. (You know how hot it gets in England!)
So I already set him up a few years ago in his room on his Mac and his 27" monitor (not high res) using a card table no less. I have a couple more card tables but for the dual monitor setup they won't work, nor will they support a mount.
There is a bunch of stuff in the garage and we have to do a garage clean-out project to discover what is available that we can use - discarded doors, etc., and I might be able to assemble a wide table deep enough for him to slide under, like with the table in the picture, but wide enough to accommodate 3 monitors side by side, for the two separate computers.
Or I might buy some lumber and build something - nothing too fancy - my last woodworking class was in junior high - and my brother doesn't care about fancy anyway. But like any reasonably handy person I can certainly build a solid 9 foot wide table that would work. With framework using a couple of 9 foot metal U-beams, I'm sure I could build it with no center supports. I'll go over to Home Depot and see what they have.
Or maybe I'll ask Kevin to invent something.
As to whether I would need a mount like that - I'm not sure. In the old days of CRTs, I actually had a single monitor mount that I picked up at Best Buy which attached to the side of a large desk and gave me back a lot of valuable desk real estate by perching the monitor off to the side - the desk was away from the side wall just a bit, a foot or two.
It was a pretty heavy-duty mount. This was a 17" CRT and was fairly heavy - what - maybe 35 pounds? The mount cost just a little more than this one - I recall about $75 or so. I left it there when I moved my office - I hated to leave it, but it was rather bulky and when would I ever need it again (now, lol.)
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4. June 2013 @ 22:49 |
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There is a self standing dual or tri mount that is pretty slick but Monoprice doesn't sell it I'll try to dig up the link for that in the next couple of days if you're interested or anyone else is.
I work with a guy that loves the Japanese anime you are speaking of plus he goes to all of the different Comic-Con type events, 4 or 5 of them every year.
Japanese anime
If you have Kevin invent something you may not want him to use any type of power tools or stuff that rotates, :D if you know what I mean... :P
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5. June 2013 @ 00:07 |
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Hahaha. That is exactly what I was talking about, Japanese anime. I knew you guys would know - good call Stevo. There certainly is something catchy about it. My other brother is heavy into it also - he married a Korean lady and that for sure is one thing they have in common. All I can say to that is that I knew someone quite well a few years ago who was infatuated with anime soft-porn. I'm not talking about myself of course. Just someone I knew quite well. But it wasn't me.
Well, okay, I admit it, but I'm over it now.
I believe that was just before Jeff stole my girlfriend.
Regarding our friend Kevin, also known as Kevin Edison, actually I'm not exactly sure I know what you mean about stuff that rotates. I am aware that he has quite a bit of expertise at combining liquids and electricity - but his skills at rotation I was unaware of. :P
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5. June 2013 @ 00:58 |
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Rotation? Ha! He's talking about my poor samsung LCD monitor, which had a run-in with a ceiling fan :S Oops...
I won't go into details about the invention. For fear of the idea being stolen. I must admit, I find it amazing we don't see devices like mine available. I suppose the electric companies probably paid to hush people up LOL! Because the design is so basic, you'd (to coin a phrase) $h!t Brix!
No, water is in no way associated with "The Device". But then, you could guess and guess, and I may throw you off, eh? ;)
I guess not everyone would understand though. An electrician tried convincing me it wouldn't work. Simple physics... I didn't argue with him LOL! He's dead wrong...
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5. June 2013 @ 01:29 |
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Awww Kevin - what a kill joy! You're gonna make us wait until you're rich! How selfish.
An LCD monitor had a run-in with a ceiling fan?
Hmmm. If I searched the thread for ceiling fan do you think I'd find those posts? Sounds like something worth reading.
How do you do it Kevin? Just when we're all settled in with our daily routine, you decide to jerk the monitor up off the table to take to the other room, forgetting that the fan just above it is going full blast - and just the week before that you decided to cool down your overheated PC by pouring water into the case, which actually worked quite well for the first 3 milli-seconds.
Okay, I guess no amount of insults are going to get you to spill the beans on your invention that your electrician friend told you violated all the known laws of the universe - he obviously doesn't know who he is dealing with. Did he ever hear of the Assassin? Or Kevin Edison for that matter? :P
I just watched the E-3 introduction of Assassins Creed 3 - and like the very attractive black lady presenter said "Holy crap!" (That's exactly what she said. LOL)
THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION!!! WOW!!! All that snow. Deer, wolves - red coats!!!
Sam, uhhh - well... - let me just say that Dishonored it ain't. You see, in this game, not only do we kill every member of the town guard that we can lay our assassin hands on, we actually kill everybody who speaks with a British accent.
So - uhhh.... what I would do if I were you is stay away from this game. Or, maybe at least disconnect your microphone. Yeah that might work.
That goes for you too Shaaf - and your brother.
LOL
I'm steam downloading the game right now - thanks for the tip Jeff. I'll start with Assassins Creed 3 and see where that takes me. They've sold 55 million total of the franchise so far - Go Ubi!
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5. June 2013 @ 01:36 |
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Ceiling fan would probably get you some hits LOL!
The VGA and electrical cords were ran behind the desk. I already had a grip of the monitor, so I lifted very high, to get the cords out. In doing so, the fan blade made contact with the LCD panel :( I think it only cost me $150USD to repair a $300 monitor. Though that same monitor might run a bit cheaper now. I don't regret fixing it. Only introducing it to the ceiling fan! LOL!
The electrician was not seeing my logic. I guess I appreciate where he's coming from though. He see's "square one" of the puzzle, and nothing beyond it. At least at the time. I'm not even sure if he was a certified electrician. He worked at some plastic molding company. Though I think he was the go-to guy/repairman.
It should be noted, I was trying to surprise my brother and sister in law, with a new-ish LCD monitor. Much larger than what they were using. I was in a hurry to get it done. I wasn't paying attention :S
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5. June 2013 @ 04:52 |
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It really depends on the game, but ultimately the highest multiple you can really get away with is 5 - i.e. if you have a 6 or 8-core CPU, you can see the benefit of one additional core as the game can use 4 and background operations can still use one of the others. That's about the limit though.
Kevin's invention has me intrigued - I just hope it's not a perpetual motion machine :D - Although from what's been said, I'm guessing it's probably something like a rate-optimised device that stores power overnight at lower energy rates and powers the house (or part of it) during the daytime when the mains feed is more expensive, something like that. Those are already around, but I've not seen any commercial products worthy of note for it.
As for high resolution monitors, you obviously don't need to worry about graphical performance in anything other than games. This said, if you do play demanding games, having to run a lower resolution than native on a monitor is more annoying than playing on a smaller monitor, I assure you!
I'm still holding out for a 4K monitor. Asus' 31.5" 4K display has now been priced at $3800, so we're getting close to the realms of affordability. If I were reasonably well off, I probably would buy one, but not from Asus!
As for Game of Thrones, I don't watch it (although I know I should), but if you're desperate, send me an email. Anything piracy-related is strictly off-limits both in the thread and PMs.
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5. June 2013 @ 06:47 |
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Not really too fussed about resolution personally. 1920 x 1200 on a 24" panel means I often end up playing games without turning on AA and never notice. In fact, I quite often depend on the pixel density of my panel when purposely leaving AA off. If antialiasing as a technology didn't exist, I would not be suffering.
My 1080p panel at 24" is another story. Just fine for desktop use and great for movies, but depends on AA for games or it suffers a bit from the jaggies. Pixel density does make a difference at this level.
In contrast, you guys are using 2560 x 1600 at 30" which is a much greater pixel density than I have already. I have used those monitors before and I understand that the difference is quite basic and plain to any seasoned PC enthusiast or gamer. And now, you're telling me 2560 x1600 just isn't quite enough, and you need a 4K monitor? 2560 x 1600 I definitely get, especially on a 27" panel. But 4K on a 27-32" monitor seems almost like overkill especially considering nearly no media exists that can take advantage of it, let alone 2560.
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5. June 2013 @ 07:17 |
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I see your reasoning from a utility standpoint, but forgive me if I'm not too excited about it, haha. I see most of it from the view of a home power user with typical needs. I play games, watch movies, store files etc. Rarely, if ever, does my PC do any actual "work". The few times a month I actually need to open excel or video/photo-manipulation software, just about any monitor has been more than enough to get the work done. Only when going from very small(<19" 4:3) to fairly large (22"> 16:10/16:9) have I noticed a practical difference.
If I ever NEED a monitor like that, I would hope the business I am working for would have enough foresight to supply it. Personally, 2560 x 1600 would be nothing but lavish and luxury for my home build. Much cheaper and more practical to use my second monitor for work that fills the full work area.
I understand that a large chunk of PCs these days are used in a business environment, and many of them are expected to work quite hard. I would be very curious as to what qualifies as needing 4K in your own work Sam.
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5. June 2013 @ 07:21 |
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If anything, the sort of work that necessitates resolutions like that is more for me personally at home than it is at work. Agreed that generally multiple displays will cover it, but for having a single uninterrupted workspace, one big display is the answer.
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5. June 2013 @ 07:33 |
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I'm certainly a country yokel but I do understand the need for a large display for large amounts of data and big projects. I guess it just seemed to me that 2560 x 1600 would be an "all bases covered" solution for that. I suppose it is, but I keep forgetting it's you we're talking about here. You've never been one to turn down a higher resolution display, practical or not. Personal preferences are just that.
Yes, in general having a secondary monitor covers most of my needs. Notice how I've never turned down the notion of a larger display though :) I would certainly go for something larger whether my hardware was suitable for gaming on it or not. As you stated, there are many uses for high resolutions that don't even touch gaming. I guess 4K just boggles my mind a bit. No thank you, lol.
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5. June 2013 @ 07:35 |
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You're never going to cover all bases, as there'll always occasionally be a document so large that you'd need a display 20 feet across to display it all one page. It's just a question of what is reasonable to have. If 4K is within your means, then I think it's worthwhile doing. Others of course, wouldn't care about it :)
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5. June 2013 @ 07:44 |
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I think I'll take a shot at 2560 long before I think about 4K. Consider me one of the users that doesn't really care, haha. I can relate to your needs, but mine are just much simpler. Gamer first and foremost I suppose :)
In a different direction, I have been giving thought to supplementing/replacing my 1080p monitor with a mid-sized HDTV. Say 37"+ would be excellent for many varieties of games, especially simulators. In this case, size is a larger consideration than resolution.
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5. June 2013 @ 07:53 |
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I wouldn't want to have one without the other really. As nice as the 30" 2560x1600 monitor is in a desktop and PC gaming environment, and handy as it is that it can receive games consoles directly or via the HDMI out of my receiver, an anti-glare high accuracy low contrast display doesn't do console gaming or TV/films proper justice. I did originally have an HDTV when living away from home, but having moved back in there was no room for it. It's eventually my intention to get something like this, whenever I finally move out again:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1J70M30421
46 is about as large as I'd want for 1080p. Beyond that point, I think the resolution is simply too low.
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5. June 2013 @ 08:13 |
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Currently using a 40" Coby with a decent panel but not much else for features. Great alternative for movies, but my current living arrangement limits how I can arrange my work area, so almost useless for gaming. Also agreed that rather large TVs start to get pretty fugly at 1080p. DLP displays avoid some of this, but it's still an issue.
I hope to be moving back upstairs to my previous room sometime this summer. Would allow me a much larger work area and a lot more room for electronics placement. Would rather not get too entrenched in this home though as I do have future plans to move in with a very special female :S Wish me luck there.
My main focus with using the TV for gaming will be sims and emulators. Something magical about playing certain games on a TV :P
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5. June 2013 @ 12:14 |
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Perpetual motion. In all honesty, no. It converts one form of energy to another, and back again. With a near infinite result of output power :) With respect to how many of the devices are employed.
There is a form of energy, that ISN'T being tapped nearly as much as it could be. I find it funny, that 4/5 of the components, are used in every day life :p
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5. June 2013 @ 12:51 |
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There are many ways to convert one form of energy/power to another, with varying degrees of efficiency. One universal law is you can't get back more than you put in. I didn't make that up, some guy smarter than me said that...
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5. June 2013 @ 12:54 |
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Heh heh... That rule doesn't exactly apply to my device. No, it doesn't violate natural law. And I DO get back more than I put in. Sorry, but I can't divulge my secrets. For reasons already explained. Believe it, or not...
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5. June 2013 @ 13:06 |
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I would disagree, as Deadrum is 100% correct, you can't get more back then there is to begin with. In fact you can't even get 100% back as there is ALWAYS lose involved. That is why perpetual motion is only a theory. You can't change mother nature, physics mandates that. For an example, Fusion might seem like you get more back then you put in but again you don't, you are just using the full potential of that energy when it is excited. In its natural state it may seem tame but its potential is massive.
We may need to do a Spock mind meld intervention.
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5. June 2013 @ 13:13 |
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As I said, that rule doesn't apply to this device exactly. That's all I'm gonna say. Many more hints, and you guys might uncover my plans :S
That's probably why "The Electrician" had trouble believing it.
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5. June 2013 @ 13:44 |
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I don't care what your plans are, no offense, but rules physics apply to everything and everyone, period, including your so called device! I'm sure your electrician is right on the mark.
I was going to leave you with your delusion until Deadrum tried to straighten you out. It seems though that it is comfortable for you to gravitate in this area so there is no need to further our discussion.
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5. June 2013 @ 14:05 |
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My Device DOES conform to natural law!!! And you're right. No need to further discuss this :p Since I can't divulge the proper information to alleviate your skepticism, we'll leave it at this.
This is the PC building thread :)
I guess I should stop bringing it up. But it's soo exciting!
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