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28. March 2011 @ 13:51 |
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I've personally had 2 hard drives go south. One was nearly 10yrs old. Expected. The other was a Western Digital Raptor. I bought it used on ebay. I immediately noticed reallocated sector counts. Windows became erratic. So I discontinued using the drive. I've used it once since, for file transfers over a network. It became more erratic. Causing windows to act funny, as well as posting funny. Removed the drive and all was well. Who knows what the previous guy did with the drive.
I don't think hard drives are invincible, but my personal luck with them has been admirable. My brother on the other hand... well you know. I think I partially blame myself though, for not properly cooling the system. System cooling will be something that has my complete attention in the future. This mistake will not happen again.
I only hope that quality control for hard drives, is some of the best known to mankind. This is peoples precious data for gods sake!!!
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28. March 2011 @ 13:56 |
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I prefer the Blacks too but haven't use the Samsungs' I'll have to try them as many people like you seem to like them.
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28. March 2011 @ 13:58 |
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They are by far the coolest running HDDs (samsung)not a hint of warmth
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28. March 2011 @ 14:00 |
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I've seen lots of disc failures over the years, and a lot of those were from Enterprise systems/Enterprise discs. Though said setups spend the bulk of their lives up and spinning, sometimes for a year or more at a time. Hard drives don't like that too much, i had one server (and disc arrays) that was up continuously for approx 3 years, when it finally had a (brief) powerdown and (unsurprisingly) upon the next powerup a number of those discs gave up the ghost. That server was being decommissioned by that point so any data loss was ok, but it's just one of a few reasons why i don't bother with RAID at home (even though my discs aren't up continously for years at a time), I just find it infinitely simpler to keep manual backups of my data onto separate (external) hard drives. Very little maintenance (no stupid amount of hours building/rebuilding RAIDs) and the portability is a bonus. I should really start keeping my external drives elsewhere though, maybe at work.
I do miss the big setups sometimes, the scary things we used to ie expand the normal mirrors to say, 4 mirrors, then break off 1 or more mirrors and attach elsewhere for copying (or safety during upgrades etc) but the resynch's, whilst very clever, are something i don't miss, 14 hour rebuilds on Production systems during monthend or bill runs or what have you, don't miss that stress :), but the buzz from breaking away large chunks of data, seamlessly, in Production was nice. The buzz from getting everything back together if of course nice, but the 14 hours wait sort of chips away from the end buzz.
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28. March 2011 @ 14:04 |
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28. March 2011 @ 14:06 |
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I think so. Have a look at the Netgear Stora, you can buy just the chassis and chuck a couple of 2TB disks in fairly cheaply (over here they're cheap to build anyways)
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28. March 2011 @ 14:06 |
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Your right Creaky RAID at home is typically I little much and you can be asking for headaches besides the expense. In business servers 1u and up you normally have a better controller, with cache made for raid, hot swap bays and so on. You can do this at home but the expense isn't worth it you're better off just buying a ton of drives like you?re doing.
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28. March 2011 @ 14:07 |
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I think 1Tb mirrored would be enough for my brother.
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28. March 2011 @ 14:10 |
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Yeah we have loads of RAID setups at work (nothing like the last job) but that's ok, we have more than enough setups to look after (a lot of linux as well as Windows), i'm glad i worked on some big stuff in the past but i sure don't miss the stress!. Each to their own, each to their own :)
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28. March 2011 @ 14:53 |
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28. March 2011 @ 14:59 |
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You can setup a raid (whatever) without having a full blown server i.e.,Windows 8 or Windows 2003R2. I've used a media server type PC and you can still setup periodic backups too. You'll want to use the same drive types and select something that isn't going to be obsolete soon. I would suggest a enterprise drive, for Seagate?s they end in NS instead of AS for the models numbers but you can use a desktop drive too, however the manufacture could void warranty on a drive used 24/7 that is intended for a desktop computer. I like RAID 5, 10, or 50 but 1 is probably all you'll need.
I ran both RAID 1 and RAID 0 for a while playing with my options. Most of my storage goes to my Intel quad core box which houses a 500GB Samsung HD501LJ and 2 Western Digital 1TB Green drives. Soon to be 3 1TB green drives :P
Redundancy is, to me, a waste of money and time. If something is so important to you where you need to make constant backups, don't keep it on mechanical storage. By simple fact of how mechanical storage works, it's entirely unreliable, period.
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28. March 2011 @ 15:03 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Which one would you(Anyone) buy?
Duo Pro
Cavalry 2-bay Raid enclosure
Dunno, just make sure to factor in which devices allow the disks to be used as separate disks (ie some devices only allow RAIDing of both disks); you might not want access to separate disks, it's just something to bear in mind maybe.
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28. March 2011 @ 15:03 |
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I stand to lose a lot, if even one drive fails. Redundancy is a very viable option to me :p I'm still nervous about the green drives, even though I seem to have purchased some real winners. *touch wood*
Yah, I've been noticing that in my searches. What I want is something that allows raid 1. If one of the drives fail, I can then recover the remaining drive to a new array.
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28. March 2011 @ 16:29 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Which one would you(Anyone) buy?
Duo Pro
Cavalry 2-bay Raid enclosure
Oman7,
I would avoid the DuoPro like the plague! The model listed is over 3 years old (2008), and if a drive goes down, you have no access to the remaining drive until you replace the bad drive, according to the manual! Overheating seems to be a problem as well! Sounds like Epic fail to me!
Russ
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28. March 2011 @ 16:34 |
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That would be a problem with all RAID enclosures, only you wouldn't get the data back even if you replaced the faulty drive.
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28. March 2011 @ 16:37 |
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What! Raid 1 is literally mirrored drives. If one fails, the other still has data intact. Why would it be irretrievable?
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28. March 2011 @ 16:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That would be a problem with all RAID enclosures, only you wouldn't get the data back even if you replaced the faulty drive.
Sam,
That's not what I mean. I mean you can't access the good drive without replacing the bad one. The raid 1 I do shuts down the bad drive, and pop up a message on the screen telling you it has shut down the problem drive, but the other drive still works, but without any redundancy until a new drive is cloned!
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28. March 2011 @ 16:41 |
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Ah well RAID1's not so bad. Not having any redundancy left if one of the drives fails, I imagine would be pretty obvious. It wouldn't be possible to have redundancy if the other drive failed!
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28. March 2011 @ 16:43 |
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Even if the Raid 1 array is faulty, the enclosure should default to the good drive, eh? So the data can be backed up/extracted. That's ridiculous if you can't get the data off the good drive...
Maybe a software Raid 1 is a better idea?
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28. March 2011 @ 16:51 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Ah well RAID1's not so bad. Not having any redundancy left if one of the drives fails, I imagine would be pretty obvious. It wouldn't be possible to have redundancy if the other drive failed!
Sam,
No that's true, but not being able to access the single good drive until you replace the defective one is kind of a bummer. You have to have two drives installed and working before you can access your data! The enclosure won't even work with just a single drive in it, you have to have two drives. In my eyes, that's not a particularly good thing if you're a business using an external raid 1. A lot of business's around here use these HP and Compaq Slim-Line's, and they only hold 1 HDD, and want to run a mirror! I guess it would pay them to have a brand new spare drive on hand at all times!
Russ
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28. March 2011 @ 16:55 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Even if the Raid 1 array is faulty, the enclosure should default to the good drive, eh? So the data can be backed up/extracted. That's ridiculous if you can't get the data off the good drive...
Maybe a software Raid 1 is a better idea?
Oman7,
No, and it says it right in the manual! There is no default like there is with an internal mirror! You can't even run a single drive in the enclosure, you have to have both drives for it to work at all!
Russ
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28. March 2011 @ 17:15 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Even if the Raid 1 array is faulty, the enclosure should default to the good drive, eh? So the data can be backed up/extracted. That's ridiculous if you can't get the data off the good drive...
Maybe a software Raid 1 is a better idea?
Oman7,
No, and it says it right in the manual! There is no default like there is with an internal mirror! You can't even run a single drive in the enclosure, you have to have both drives for it to work at all!
Russ
That's messed up! Ok, won't be buying that one. Thanks russ :)
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28. March 2011 @ 17:45 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Even if the Raid 1 array is faulty, the enclosure should default to the good drive, eh? So the data can be backed up/extracted. That's ridiculous if you can't get the data off the good drive...
Maybe a software Raid 1 is a better idea?
Oman7,
No, and it says it right in the manual! There is no default like there is with an internal mirror! You can't even run a single drive in the enclosure, you have to have both drives for it to work at all!
Russ
That's messed up! Ok, won't be buying that one. Thanks russ :)
Oman7,
If they have the bays in the case, a raid 1 would be the cheapest and best solution. Very easy to set up too!
Russ
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28. March 2011 @ 17:58 |
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Well, I definitely need to cool their case a little better first. And I'll likely space the drives apart too. It should hold 3.
I've definitely learned my lesson with how warm a hard drive can get. My black drives feel pretty warm in the sata dock I have. I imagine they run cooler in the haf932. The air is rather stagnant in this room.
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28. March 2011 @ 19:53 |
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My MyBook is plugged in 24/7 and tucked into a bookshelf and I've never had an issue. Of course I have it spin down when not in use, but still it really stays decently cool.
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