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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 01:45 |
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The discussion of opinions can go on indefinitely, we all have some. The law as it is currently being interpreted is also clear. Hopefully that will change.
Any involvement in the illegal recording of retail DVD movies, whether contracted or done personally, is as stated, illegal. The contractor is merely a co-conspirator, or accomplice, in the wrongdoing. It will remain wrong until legislation changes and the courts counter the current rulings. The discussion can continue, but it won't change the facts. The courts frown on individuals recording DVD movies. Lets just hope it remains a frown and doesn't become more.
What amazes me is that some of the same industry corporations that don't want us to record DVDs are among the ones supplying the equipment and media (think Sony).
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dbw99
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16. January 2005 @ 01:58 |
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Hey All,
After reading a few posts and investigating some of the links attached, I think it's fair to say that the more you know the worse off you are.
I have a thought though. I'm a littele older and can remember the beginning of Cable TV. What a woderful thing it was going to be. You make a modest monthly payment, and you were brought commercial free programming into you home. Since that idea, it has spirled into a greedy conglomerate, suffed full of advertising scemes, every 10-15 min., and comercial Free programing had balloned into, well, you know what it's balloned into.
I think it's like the movie 'Network,' where the guy says,"I'm fed up and I'm not gonna take it any more."
All I want is a little pleasure in my house without feeling I have to break the bank to get it. Greed begats ingenuity.
It's not that I don't like the product (New DVD's),
I just just don't like the cost per dose.
just my opinion
dbw
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 02:22 |
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Makes one remember Orwell's 1984. You either have to be older or well read for that one. It's still a timely satire on what's happening in today's society. For those not familiar with the reference, 1984 is a satirical novel attacking totalitarianism, published in 1949.
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16. January 2005 @ 02:35 |
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Sounds to me like for every movie this guy copies he would be making a second copy of the dvd for himself in the process, thereby building a nice little movie library of his own. I don't blame him, its a nice idea, everybody sharing movies. But alas, that would be wrong. But what is "wrong" really- i mean think about it. Running a red light is wrong and can definately hurt people. But copying a movie? Alright, maybe it is, because now Tom Hanks can only afford 12 vacation homes instead of 13.
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 02:42 |
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What we perceive as the injustices of society... No matter how rich someone is, taking their property (just a dollar) without their consent, is looked on as illegal by the court. Goes to that justice is blind thing. Problem is, justice is more blind for the rich and influential (think movie industry).
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16. January 2005 @ 03:48 |
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I know it's a little off the point but the dicuscusion has shifted anyway.
It reminds of somthing a friend of mine told me about 10 years ago. An Irish paper wouldn't publish anything negative against genetic modification of sugar beat in ireland. An american company called monsanto was and is at the heart of it. Next they published how Smurfit paper, also Irish, gave money to trinity college to build a genetic's wing.
My friend pointed out that smurfit was a large shareholder in monsanto and in the irish newspaper that would only write positive argument for genetic modification.
It's the same in every country. And you are either influenced because of ignorance or you are aware.
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 04:19 |
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Hopefully, influence can be exerted by knowledge as well as ignorance. Sort of a two edged sword.
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16. January 2005 @ 05:20 |
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Okay, here's the deal...many people on this board are likely correct...you could argue about whether this type of activity would be legal or not until you were blue in the face. But the fact is, it doesn't matter if you were technically within the law. If the movie industry decided to challenge you, you would fold on attorney costs alone (not to mention possible fines if you lost).
Now, instead of actually making the DVD backups yourself, you could teach someone how to find and use the software necessary to do it themselves, and charge them for your service. Of course, we all know the software is readily available for free but most people do not. You wouldn't charge for the software, just the service of instructing them where to find it and how to use it.
I think a lot of people who were not familiar with DVD backups would pay $30-50 to be shown where to get free software and how to use it. Also, you could apply this concept to game backups. You won't get rich, but you could definitely make some beer money.
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 05:50 |
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That was covered back there somewhere and the discussion has become redundant. I won't go into any theatrical examples. Putting it simply, teaching someone to do an illegal act is being an accomplice; especially since you know they're going to commit an illegal act with the training you give. Anyway you go, you can't legally profit from an illegal act.
The only way a person could legally profit from knowing how to record retail DVDs is to fit under the Fair Use definitions; i.e working for a library and making necessary copies as prescribed by the law.
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 05:53 |
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And, yes, who wants to even contemplate fighting the lawyers of the entertainment industry. Funny thing, they whip you with your own money.
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16. January 2005 @ 07:14 |
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What amazes me is that some of the same industry corporations that don't want us to record DVDs are among the ones supplying the equipment and media (think Sony).
Excellent and interesting point Bro. ^5
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precawan
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16. January 2005 @ 07:19 |
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it is technically illegal so i sure wouldn't broadcast that you do it. but HOW do you do it? i have a bunch i need to copy so i can toss the bulk.
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brobear
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16. January 2005 @ 07:53 |
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How to record questions should be addressed in the DVD for Newbies section.
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tater9104
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16. January 2005 @ 13:37 |
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First off, I would really like to thank all of you for taking so much time to answer my question. I am really amazed about the kind of resources the people of this site can pull from.
Let me see if I understand... Coping DVD's for personal use is illegal, even if it may be for archival reasons. Since so many do so, the goverment does not have the time to take care of all of us/them. However, making money off coping dvd's, either by advice, selling copy software, or providing a service is very illegal in the sense that the gov't does pursue this adamantly.
I think that pretty much sums it up, but I have one more question. You all stated that making DVD copies of VHS is NOT illegal. Assuming that it is not a produced movie (such as The Lord of the Rings), backing up home movies and tv recordings is legal??? It would seem to me that copying a VHS recording of 20 Family Guys would be the same as copying the first 2 seasons. In fact, how are we legally allowed to record such shows off of TV on VHS, since we never bought the copy? Sorry for so many questions, but this seems to be just another offspring of the same beast.
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16. January 2005 @ 16:40 |
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You are right again. Thats why the pay channels are scrambled like HBO and Showtime. If they ever figure out a cheap way to encrypt regular transmissions to just mess up recording devices they will do it. Here again its all about personal use or trying to show a VHS recording to make money. As long as it stays in your home they won't mess with you. If you try to make money off it, you should watch your back.
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17. January 2005 @ 15:21 |
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Sorry to jump in so late in the game but there is a place were it is legal to make personal copys of DVD and cds and even download off the internet music and movies and burn them and use them as long as its for personal use and thats 1)Canada and 2)Germany.
These 2 countrys have passed laws and also incresed the price of movies and music from everywere its avalable,stores,rentals,theaters,ect I guess you can say an extra tax and that extra tax goes directly to the artist as a tax free payment just because of this law,so there you go go there and copy your butts off LOL as long as you do it for yourself
Good Luck Batman400
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brobear
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17. January 2005 @ 19:10 |
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Batman400
Yep, a bit late. You just pointed out what we were talking about all along. The laws are in favor of the entertainment industry. Even where the laws aren't as stringent, the industry still gets their money by charging higher prices. They are going to offset any profit loss by charging the consumer. As you noted, in countries where it is legal to copy retail movies and music, the public pays the higher price for it. More or less a situation where everyone gets charged (fined) for the wrongdoing in the form of a tax. LOL Cheaper to just stay home and buy the disc.
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litigator
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18. January 2005 @ 10:44 |
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I'm a lawyer; copy a DVD, get caught, get fined. It sucks, but it's the law.
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litigator
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18. January 2005 @ 10:45 |
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I'm a lawyer; copy a DVD, get caught, get fined. It sucks, but it's the law.
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litigator
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18. January 2005 @ 10:46 |
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Sorry for the double post, sticky mouse.
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18. January 2005 @ 10:56 |
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Your double post just makes the point of this complete thread come across better. Doing something against the law for personal use that no one knows about or finds out about is one thing. Doing something against the law that you advertise and make money from is when they will get you for sure. This is kind of blown up, but its like a bank robber advertising he is looking for work. I think I'm done with this subject.
Jerry
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18. January 2005 @ 16:16 |
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Hey moderator. This turned out to be a great dicussion about some pretty relevant stuff. Can we sticky this? I think that it would be great in either advanced dvdr or even newbie dvdr.
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brobear
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18. January 2005 @ 19:39 |
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...the illegal recording of retail DVD movies, whether contracted or done personally, is as stated, illegal.
Sort of drew that conclusion about the legality early on. Most people figure if they get caught doing something illegal, there will be repercussions. Good concise summation though counselor. As Jerry said, this thread has already run its course; time to pack it up.
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19. January 2005 @ 13:40 |
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I agree with Brobear
Time to close this subject :-)
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samintx
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20. January 2005 @ 02:18 |
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Don't do it! Companies don't like the owners of media to make PERSONAL backup so they would hang you from the tallest tree for doing a business for non personal backups.....
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