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V12 (PSTwo, slim ps2) DVD-R problems
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RemyK313
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19. April 2005 @ 21:47 |
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You know, I don't really know how good Jizmak's list is. I suggest that you use it as a general guide, and not as a factual table.
On my v12, I've had the most success using Sony branded RICOHJPN discs. You can find them at any walmart. They're expensive, but they work just as good as the originals.
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Dix_Fix
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20. April 2005 @ 14:12 |
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Im of the same opinion Remy, only trust,that which U can prove, I.E. use what works 4 U, its a bit of trial & error. We could be feeding U straight bullshit 4 all U know. As I said earlier, use these forums to cement Ur ideas R.E. Ur machine, but only trust ideas that U have formulated, not someone elses ideas. Thats not to say try something that U agree with. Sorting the wheat from chaff, or sorting shit from clay, U have to be disserning in what U take onboard. As a lot of the so called "GOOD OIL" Ur getting from people is "SNAKE OIL". Im not trying to be negative. It just seems that a lot of people either,
1: Dont know what their talking about. or
2: Dont understand what chipping actually is doing to the machine. or
3: Cant clearly explaine what they R trying to get accross
But please dont be put off by what Im saying. I believe these forums to be a fantastic places, useful & informative. Ive learnt plenty. Sorry if Ive carried on a bit. Prewarned is prearmed.
vini vidi vici
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flopstock
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21. April 2005 @ 04:42 |
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Hi I am having major problems in backing up my ps2 dvd games! I have just switched to Verbatim media (as advised at start of thread), but still having problems! When I back up Ratchet and Clank 3 the game plays fine but the video sceens between the levels wont play (the sound keeps stopping and starting). I have read somewhere that its best to burn on 1x or 2x speed for ps2 games, however when I burn in Nero it keeps automaticlly burning at 4x (which might be the problem), my DVD writer is a Sony DW-D22A but I cant seem to burn at 1x or 2x? Do you think the slowest the drive can burn at is 4x?
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RemyK313
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21. April 2005 @ 13:50 |
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Keep on trying with other media. However, some games are just completely filled to the brim. Check out ClubCDFreaks.com for more info on possibly getting a hack to get your burner to slow down some.
But let me say something : If it's not that big a problem, then don't do it. Possibly ruining your DVD burner JUST so a few backups can work slightly better isn't worth it.
Even I have a few games that skip a bit, but it's not that big of a deal.
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flopstock
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21. April 2005 @ 14:11 |
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Yes I see what you saying, have tried various media. I used to have a pioneer 107 dvd writer where I could write at 2x but my sony wont? So I guess it must be that my new dvd writer is too fast!
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oxide2004
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21. April 2005 @ 15:43 |
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Hey Remy,
I got a v12 ps2 at xmas from argos £99, wanted to get it chipped and read about other possible solutions, I noticed the flip lids replacing the actual original flip lid on the ps2 slimline was being under manufacture, by Feb/ March I believe they released them... Then I read about taping the lid sensors down. This IS the best solution for your slimline ps2, doesn't cost anything but your time and a bit of sticky tape :P and simply tape down the sensors. You might be afraid of your warranty... It's only a year right ? Well I've been using mine for 2-3 months with this method and runs great with swap magic 3.3 (3.0 doesn't work) and with RITEK g-04 DVD-R discs... These are the best ps2 discs to use with backup games, no wear on the laser like other cheap branded dvd's might give, also burnt CDR's aren't the ps2's favourite as I learnt from my last one, I used simple common silverline cdr or something, in the end it ruined my laser on the scph30004 model ps2 so I got a slimline and have been using nothing but Ritek-g04's and have no problem.
If you already modded your ps2 great, if not i'd suggest this, and who cares about the warranty ?? The hinge trick works, what are the odds of some idiot behind the counter checking the warranty? I've heard of people with old ps2's which they bought as faulty and no parts inside, threw in some old pc parts and got free replacements...
few tips there enjoy :)
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RemyK313
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21. April 2005 @ 17:48 |
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Actually, I think that the warranty is for 6 months. I remember that the tape mod was one of the first solutions, deriving from the glue mod that people were doing. However, it's success was often clouded in mystery due to people being incosistent/plain stupid. It seems a lot of newbs come to these forums, beg us to help them pirate stuff, and don't even bother to tell us if they were able to get things to work.
Anyways, I'm glad you've said that the tape mod works. I think I'm convinced now that it works, and I'll start reporting it as aworking solution. Over the last few months several people have clearly confirmed it working, and in a manner similar to yours. However, your post (as well as the other ones like yours) have finally convinced me.
However, I'm still pretty sure that cheat devices won't be able to work on these kind of systems. I'll test it out myself, and report the findings here.
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oxide2004
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22. April 2005 @ 11:38 |
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Cheat devices as in Action replay etc ? Yeh I got the Ar2.2 and it doesn't detect the hardware... Means I can't boot my big CDR ps2 games anymore... Some cheat devices work, I.E USB ones think they exist !!
The tape mod is great, easiest, cheapest and non-strainuous to the laser.
Anyone know how to burn gt4 yet :)
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RemyK313
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22. April 2005 @ 13:47 |
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Heh, keep on waiting for the GT4 rip for Swap Magic users. It's on the way.
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pretense
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22. April 2005 @ 14:33 |
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Actually, I use the tape mod (but with a tissue ball for the front sensor) myself, after that flip lid debacle ;) Has worked without a hitch since February, when I installed it. Strangely enough, it's still held despite my using cheapo Scotch tape (I didn't have any duct tape). In any case, even if it does fall off, it'll be easy enough to reopen the PStwo and give it a fresh layer of a tape ;)
The warranty is definitely one year, though -- since it says so in my manual. Mine is one of the newer date code 5As, the first in which they started implementing the one-year warranty, I believe. Originally, it was three months for the 4C and 4D models. But someone with a broken-down 4C called in and confirmed with Sony that the warranty had been extended to a full year for all slim models. Good stuff, eh? That means all PStwos are still under warranty.
I'm still uneasy about the sticker hinge thing, though. It's true that your average joe at the store might not check it, but I am pretty sure Sony will. After all, you can only in turn your console back in to the store within, what, 30 days? Then it's straight to dealing with the big ol' S. Not that it bothers me too much, since I shelled out a little extra dinero to EB Games for a one-year replacement plan for some extra peace of mind ;)
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RemyK313
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22. April 2005 @ 20:13 |
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Just to update, it seems you CAN use cheat devices on tape modded/magic tooled v12s. I was able to boot up CodeBreaker 7 and go through all the steps without once having to push the eject button.
There's only one more thing that's kind of a hassle to do on these kind of systems : TOC Refreshes. In order to do a TOC refresh, you'll have to put in Swap Magic, when you do the steps to TOC refresh, you'll have to take out one or more parts of the slimtool, put in your disc, and replace the parts.
For taped systems, I don't think there are any ways to do a TOC refresh on the system without going through TOO much hassle. But hey, it's not really necessary to do TOC refreshes nowadays. At least, it's not too necessary for most applications.
So, it seems this whole v12 modification stuff has been solved. The only thing we need now is full and confirmed success with chips :D
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pretense
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23. April 2005 @ 01:30 |
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That's why you insert a small ball of paper or tissue for the front sensor tab instead of taping it. That way, you can easily remove it from the outside whenever you need to ;) That's the theory, anyway. To be honest, it's not something I've tested myself yet, since I've never needed to =p I'll give it a go sometime with one of my Xtreme Legends discs to see if I can remix the original Warriors game.
As for TOC refreshes: You can also do this with either the DVDloader or Cogswaploader. Again, I have never needed to TOC refresh anything, though I *have* tried doing TOC swaps with the DVDloader and Cogswaploader. It worked (I think), but I've never needed any TOC refreshes with the SM 3.3 set, so I couldn't tell if there was any real effect.
Edit: Well, I tested my theory out with Samurai Warriors Xtreme Legends. Once I selected the Import function, it prompted me for to press eject and insert the Samurai Warriors disc. Fine -- I dug out my little tissue ball and the Xtreme Legends disc stopped spinning. Tossed in my Samurai Warriors backup, which spun up, and -- whaddaya know! -- the game gives me a "not the proper disc" message. I guess the guys at Koei are smarter than I give them credit for! Oh well. Anyway, removing the tissue ball (thereby unpressing the sensor) does in fact work. As long as one of the two sensors is unpressed, the PStwo will recognize that it is open.
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Dix_Fix
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23. April 2005 @ 15:12 |
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pretense Hi , taking out either the rear 'sensor defeat' or fornt 1 will stop the disk spinning. There is however a different
boot/re-boot sequence that the PSTwo goes into when only 1 sensor is pressed. Cant remember the details though , at the moment, something to do with validation of the disk I think. Im getting too old, it was only 3 months ago. How about U Remy, do U remember anything r.e. booting(or re pressing reset) with only one sensor defeat in?
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RemyK313
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27. April 2005 @ 00:46 |
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Actually, I don't know much about the slimtool, except for what everyone else says about it. And you're the first to tell me about trying to get a physical workaround to having the sensors pressed. I've never even heard something similar to that.
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rollexx
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28. April 2005 @ 02:08 |
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Hi there!
I might have a good explanasion to this issue with the discs e.t.c!
Maybe when u get your machine from a game company (premodded) they will adjust the lens to fit some type of medias! Maybe we all can adjust the freaking laser ourself to get other medias to work?
Just a thought! Since people had problem with TDK medi befor im sure it likely a problem like this! I am using TDK 1-8 X DVD-R discs and have not anny bigger problems burning a coppy! Just one game GTA san andreas, i first tried to burn the NTSC version of the game and that wouldnt work, just errors in game not able to read disc and choppy intro movie! But when i burned the game in PAL format everything worked!
I have a chip installed though in mine(Ghost 2) And i have the V12 slim line modell!
Just a thought to all out there since my TDK works on my slimline and the other persons dont!
/rolle
hate bugs with ps2 machines...things like that pisses me off!
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Dix_Fix
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5. May 2005 @ 16:20 |
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rollexx The idea of laser adjustement Vs disc read errors, is valid 4 anyone who has a premodded machine. My thoughts r more that the laser is setup infactory & this is a (1 size fits all) type of adjustement as there r dozens of things that effect the way each individual unit(PS2/PSTwo) reads a disc. Tempreature, age, 240VAC/110VAC mains power voltage fluctuations, transport, positioning(vertical/horizontal or how close to TV or other sorce of electro magnetic field/magnetic field)etc,etc. My point being that (as U said) U really do need to adjust the laser in each machine to get the optimum reading results, on all media. This however is prohibitive, cost wise for anyone who cant do it themselves. Having said that PS2/PSTwo laser adjustement is not that easy. 2 do it properly needs some specialised equiptement. An ocilloscope with a 10:1 probe, DMM, plenty of patients & a bit of luck. I have personally fixed many machines that the owner says "the laser is stuffed" simply by adjusting the laser. Mind U on each case the cost 2 me in time(2 do the job)was more than I could ever charge the customer. Food for thought. A new laser fitted is under $100.oo AUD.
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rob13
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5. May 2005 @ 19:03 |
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My Slim PS2 likes Maxell DVD-R's.
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Dix_Fix
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8. May 2005 @ 15:43 |
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Rob13 Ive found the same -R disks in general read better in the units Ive done & own. Why ? Who the F**K knows really. If it can READ it should read all as good as any. My best advise is to find which works best 4 U & stick 2 it.
vini vidi vici
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weeble
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16. May 2005 @ 10:12 |
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Couple of quick q's but first congrats RemyK313 on your on going efforts on all this.. right for starters i've recently bought my V12 PSTwo and have used the swap magic 2.0 discs i got for my earlier model PS2 but now with the flip top. Until it died a horrible and painful death (it stopped reading San Andreas and i hadnt saved for ages and the whole unit flew out my bedroom window) my PS2 was reading all my games (memorex -R) no problems. Now i've got my PSTwo slim and using the same swap method its not reading any of my games and if it does it skips and jumps so bad the games arent playable.. i noticed you were using +R's for your movies is this the same for the games aswell?? also my PSTwo slim wont seem to boot my CD swap disk and makes a horrible scratching noise when it tries. cheers for any help you can give :)
1 more thing my burner is a Lite-On SOHW-1653S how can i make it burn slower than 4x??
Cheers
Goddamn u stoopid PS2... LOAD!!!
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RemyK313
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16. May 2005 @ 11:18 |
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It sounds like your Swap Magic CD might be damaged. Try cleaning it by using a soft, non-lint catching cloth (like a terry cloth, or a cheese cloth). If notice that there are deep visible scratches and don't want to spend money on a CD/DVD repair kit, then you might want to consider buying another set of discs (especially since 3.3 and up pretty much has all the 2.0 patches automatically applied).
If you're going to try to repair it yourself, don't buy anything less than a GameDr / DVDDr. / any of the disc dr. brands. Anything else is inefficient, messy, and fairly useless. Although the price is high, the results are definitely worth it.
As for San Andreas, I recently had to reburn the game onto another DVD. The game loading times were really long, and the ingame loading was absolutely terrible. I was often driving on sky, and would crash into invisible walls. Burning this onto a better quality disc (A Sony branded D11 / RICOHJPN disc) immediately solved all of those problems.
Your loading problem has all the bells and whistles of bad media. V12s seem to be the most fickle of all versions when it comes to media. Have you tried +Rs in your v12 yet? Try burning a game or a movie to +R and seeing how it loads. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like you may simply need to reburn your games to +Rs.
Finally, if you want to look into hacking your DVD Drive's firmware, go to http://club.cdfreaks.com/. However, I don't think it's a wise thing to downgrade your firmware, as newer firmware usually means better writing methods and better reliability and more compatability.
I used to burn all my games at 2.4X, until I realized that it didn't matter what speed I burned them on, on my crappy Fujifilm branded Taiyo Yuden discs. (And those are supposed to be amazing, too) No matter how slowly I burned them, all my backups were worthless on those discs. Then I went out, spent three times as much on Sony branded RICOHJPN discs. So, now I burn all my games at 4X now. With the speed of DVD writers, some as fast as 16x or MORE, I think that 4X is a safe and acceptable burning speed nowadays.
I don't really think it's necessary to downgrade your writer, I simply think that spending a little extra on media will fix all your problems.
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weeble
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16. May 2005 @ 13:20 |
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cheers remy.. i havent tried a =R yet so will be gettin a couple of +R's tomorrow and will be back on to let you know the results..
cheers for all the info
Goddamn u stoopid PS2... LOAD!!!
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Dix_Fix
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16. May 2005 @ 16:32 |
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weeble Im with RemyK on this one V12s seem to be fickle as to which media they will & wont read. I still think , however that the problem is in how the V12 decides which type of disc is in the DVD drive.I.E. DVD+R , DVD-R , DVD9 , DVD5 , CDR , CD. Some days my V12 will read a particular game NO problem then the next day it wont. FYI 1 of the games I have plenty of drama with is San Andraes. Some times it works perfect other times it just wont load or will have slow loading times.
Code Veronica was another. The clicking noise when reading CDs is as RemyK said usually media.
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weeble
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20. May 2005 @ 10:38 |
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well i've finally got hold of some +R's!! my town is crap for media.. must go online lol anyway they're TDK's my copy of Chaos Theory wouldn't work on a -R so i'm just burning it to a +R now and will get back with the results in but a moment
PS.. what program do u guys use to create an ISO of a game? I use Decryptor to copy an ISO but whats the best way of just burning disk to disk? I'm not keen on NERO for games and i dont like paying for software ;)
Goddamn u stoopid PS2... LOAD!!!
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RemyK313
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20. May 2005 @ 13:33 |
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The best way for any quality backup is a disc to hard drive backup, and then burning the image back onto a disc.
The only thing I would recommend trying to copy disc-to-disc, on the fly, would be audio CDs, or possibly CD-based backups. For that purpose, DiscJuggler is still the best. It's just a one-click program, but then again, Nero will do the same.
For large backups such as DVDs, I don't really suggest disc to disc backups. But hey, you're welcome to experiment if you want. It's just that with finnicky burners, there's quite a bit of margin of for burn problems if you have a slow processor or limited RAM.
If you're going to try something like 1:1 backups of DVDs, I suggest extending your program's memory buffer to the most your system can afford, and not running any other programs while doing it.
Even though I have 2 DVD drives (One I use for burning, the other for reading) I still do things the old-fashioned way, just to be sure.
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weeble
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21. May 2005 @ 01:48 |
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HURRAH!! +R's are the way forward with V12 PS2's by far! now i've just got to burn all 56 of my games onto +R's now :P Cheers for all yer help REMY
Goddamn u stoopid PS2... LOAD!!!
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