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Recent slowing of my 4x burns with Nero ISO's
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jugbugs
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14. March 2005 @ 19:32 |
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14. March 2005 @ 20:32 |
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jugbugs
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15. March 2005 @ 00:14 |
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It doesn't look bad?? Have you tried to install a ASPI layer to see if that helps?
The "It doesn't look bad??" part confuses me.. as for the ASPI layer on the link you gave me I used their check tool and then went ahead and installed the driver, then used the tool again and all versions were unchanged so I assume I already had that layer on board.
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burnout4u
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15. March 2005 @ 00:49 |
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the only help i can offer u is get ur self a liteon burner x copy express and dvd idle pro or dvd 43 and start watching movies that are perfect on a single disc with no problems ,some burners are not compatible with sofware etc and visa versa
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jugbugs
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15. March 2005 @ 02:46 |
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Thanks for the input burnout.. if I ever do get a new dvd burner it will probably be a liteon.
I have made over 100 single disc, perfect movies using the Shrink + Nero combo w/o any problems excluding this most recent one. I honestly think my burner is compatible. :þ
I really have been doing alot of research on this issue and really think we are making some good head way. Thanks again yall and dont hold back!
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15. March 2005 @ 03:26 |
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jugbugs,
What I meant by it doesn't look bad is that there isn't a whole lot there running that would be sucking up your memory..
Give this a try
You can try this to be sure nothing is running at windows start up.
click on "start" click on "run" type in "msconfig" click "ok" click on
"startup" click "disable all" "click ok" reboot.
Now try burning a disk and see what happens..
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15. March 2005 @ 12:17 |
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well i know what you mean DVD Shrink is the best burning gear out there 4 sure as far as repoduction if you have the time ,4 me i would rather be watching the movies than burning them and 45 mins compared to 4hrs is a lot of difference ,try x copt express 1 day or fab express u might have a different tune to play next time lol ,the only time i had your trouble with Nero was with the (nero ultra)files from previous burns still there and sp 2 pack and the fake Nero drive .reinstall and getting rid of sp 2 pack ,did the trick as well as upping the page memory and cleaning out all old files and memory.i havent yet tried the new Nero ,they say its very good indeed .but im really a 2 button press burner now lol as i havent got time for all the other stuff anymore too many sorts to attend to lol have u ever tried dvd 43 ? im beginning to think it might be even better than idle pro ,but im like u hard to change .ha ha c u next time
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jugbugs
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15. March 2005 @ 13:45 |
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4 hours? It takes me 50 mins to rip with Shrink and 15 mins ( 30 mostly now :þ) to burn.
BBMayo I will be trying your suggestion very shorty here, will let ya know.
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15. March 2005 @ 13:54 |
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By the way anyone out there thinking about purchasing DVDXcopy DONT!!!! They are no longer in buisness. What this means is no more updtes, and little to no support. Don't waste your money when there are plenty of programs out there that will do the job better and still provide updates.. CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD are a good combination and both can be had for around 59$.. If your looking for pure quality then you could go with DVDCopy3 and AnyDVD a little more expensive with that combo but IMO well worth it. Oh yeah and all those proggys have trial period so you can test drive them first to see if you like them or not so it can't hurt to try. Unlike Xcopy you aren't going to get a trial period with that proggy (that should tell you something right there)
Good luck all :-)
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16. March 2005 @ 03:54 |
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OKay I went ahead and restarted windows clearing EVERYTHING out of the startup window as BBMayo suggested. The burn that followed was one fresh after restart. It took 30 mins :(.
I guess that means I dont have a software (or running software) conflict). I verified once again that UDMA was turned on for that drive and was.
Here is the log file for that burn, notice the memory is alot better. also maybe you can find a problem in it.. as I dont see one.
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Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.71 (0002), size=45056 bytes, created 7/17/2002 9:20:56 AM
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 5:35:34 PM
Nero Version: 6.6.0.8 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <SONY DVD RW DRU-500A> Version: 2.1a - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.6.0.8
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
Drive buffer : 8192kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: < 20DY >Version: 1.70 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.6.0.8
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : SONY DVD RW DRU-500A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : 20DY atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : RAID0 Array iaStor Port 2 ID 0 DMA: On
=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
SONY DVD RW DRU-500A E: CDRom0
20DY D: CDRom1
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 511MB (523496kB)
Free physical memory: 171MB (175576kB)
Memory in use : 66 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
16.3.2005
Burn DVD Image
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Reader running
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Writer SONY DVD RW DRU-500A running
6:13:48 AM #3 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3153
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
6:13:48 AM #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2295301 (510:04.01, 4483MB)
6:13:48 AM #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 271
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
6:13:48 AM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2316
Recorder: SONY DVD RW DRU-500A, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: GSC001 -
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
6:13:48 AM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 433
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
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Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, ISO 9660)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2295302 (2295302) = #2295302/510:4.2
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2295302 blocks [SONY DVD RW DRU-500A]
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Prepare recorder [SONY DVD RW DRU-500A] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
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MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4700778496, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
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__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
2295302 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0x00
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Caching of files started
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Cache writing successful.
6:13:48 AM #12 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Caching of files completed
6:13:48 AM #13 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
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Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
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Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
6:13:49 AM #16 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21235
Set BUFE: Power-Burn -> ON
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Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
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---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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... sorry messed up
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IMO this is your biggest problem
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Disc Manufacturer: GSC001
Try some better quality media :-)
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Heh, you would think that that media would be junk... but I am about to start my 3rd stack of 100 and no coasters yet.
However, I thought perhaps that this was the problem also so I tried some Sony 8x discs (I burned at 4x) and I was still getting the same speeds. :(
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I think I have successfully fixed my problem. I could go into depth with this (and will if you want) but I will try and keep it simple. Here is what I believe the problem was.
I have two drives on my primary IDE channel. Both drives are (obviously) connected to the same cable. This cable just happens to be a fairly high quality round IDE cable. Now, I believed that there was some interference on the IDE cable which caused the Mother Board to have to resend data more often because the drive was getting altered signals. Now I thought initially that this interference was coming from the fact that I was using a round cable. Round cables aren't as good as flat ones, (transmission line theory) so I replaced my round with an 80 wire flat and I was able to burn 15 min burns about 50% of the time. Obviously this was better, but not fixed. So I removed the other drive (slave drive) from the cable and that fixed my problem.
It appears that my other drive had gone bad, even though it still worked, it was transmitting interference onto the IDE cable out of turn.
Long story short, Flat IDE cables are better for data transmission and faulty drives can emit noise and slow speeds of other connected drives.
Thanks to all that helped me, I don't think I could have done this alone.
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16. March 2005 @ 07:07 |
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Jugbugs
Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner to participate but I would like to point out something now if I may, with a little twist, so others with a similar problem might find the fix a bit faster.
Almost always when there is a time issue with slower burns, it relates to a change from DMA mode to PIO mode. Windows OS does that automatically after an average of 6 errors on the IDE channel with the errors. These errors can be caused by Hardware but most of the time they are disk related, CRC errors. In either case, when encountered, Windows OS sees this as a possible speed issue, and slowly turns down the speed by lowering the DMA settings, and if still not corrected, finally places your device(s) on that IDE channel in PIO mode.
You actually hit it on the head here:
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This unfortunatly did not fix my problem. :(
After Windows reinstlled those drivers I noticed that the current transfer mode in device 0 had changed from PIO only to to ultra DMA-2.
Here you noticed that it was in PIO mode and after taking the correct advice, it did go back to DMA2. That is where your problem was for the slower burns, just not the ?why? of what caused it. For most with this problem, that would have been the end of it until they get another dirty disk, etc.
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Your drive may still be stuck in PIO mode.
Bbmayo was also correct with this since the errors were caused by what you felt was a defective drive issue and immediate reversedwhat you just corrected. Were/are your devices preset to CS or are they actually jumpered to Master and Slave, Master to Black plug, Slave to Grey plug, and Blue to the MB, which might of helped prevent this problem, especially when other cables are used then what would of come with a PC.
80 wire ribbon cables are always a good choice since they are backward compatible with standard 40 wire ribbon cables but also needed as you pointed out for any device that will or could reach a DMA setting of above a 2, since these have an extra 40 wires used as grounds to prevent crosstalk on the ribbon.
So my final thought to anyone reading this thread would be that by Uninstalling, under Device Manager, your Secondary Controller which normally has your burner and DVD-ROM drives on it and then re-booting/restarting your PC will allow Windows to reset them back to their proper settings of DMA mode.
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Glad to see you got it all sorted out. :-) Only rebutal I might have is that flat IDE cable's are not any better than the round IDE cable's as long as both are 80 wire cable's. Your original round cable may have just gone bad or it may be that it is only a 40 wire cable. It is actually proven that there is less interferiance from the round cables than the flat. Reason being is that the round cables are also shielded by some sort of rubber around all the cables protecting it from other interferiance, not to mention they keep your system cooler which makes for overall system performance to improve. The main point should be if you want your drives to performe at there maximum potential then use the 80 wire/40 pin cable's.
Here is a little more I wrote on this subject in another thread :-)
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I will try explain the difference between "master" and "slave"
Despite the hierarchical-sounding names of "master" and "slave", the master drive does not have any special status compared to the slave one; they are really equals in most respects. The slave drive doesn't rely on the master drive for its operation or anything like that, despite the names (which are poorly-chosen--in the standards the master is usually just "drive 0" and the slave "drive 1"). The only practical difference between master and slave is that the PC considers the master "first" and the slave "second" in general terms. For example, DOS/Windows will assign drive letters to the master drive before the slave drive. If you have a master and slave on the primary IDE channel and each has only one regular, primary partition, the master will be "C:" and the slave "D:". This means that the master drive (on the primary channel) is the one that is booted, and not the slave.
So you see there really isn't any difference, but us computer geeks have just been so used to the old way of doing thing's that the process of hooking up drives is kind of a habit. With the newer DMA/Ultra DMA out you are supposed to hook the master drive up to the end of the cable (black end) and the slave in the middle (gray end) where on the older PIo mode drives you would put the master on the middle and the slave on the end.
Another note; If you are using DMA mode you really need to be using an 80 wire IDE cable (should have Blue, Gray, & Black connector) This is the standard for DMA so if you are using the older 40 wire cable this could be your problem also.
Anyway to use cable select you need a special cable, and these are of course non-standard, making them a special purchase. Also, many people don't understand cable select, nor do they realize it needs a special cable. If you set both drives to "CS" and then use them on a regular (non-cable-select) IDE cable, both drives will configure themselves as "master", causing a configuration conflict.
Again glad to see you got it worked out jugbugs :-)
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Two things, one, my drives were and are set to master and slave and are not set to cable select. Secondly, I don''t want to get into a debate here but I found a webpage about the round vs flat.
http://www.a1-electronics.net/PcHardware/GenCompInfo/2002_3/IDECables.shtml
Making a cable flat, without going into transmission line theory from my electromagnetics book, and putting a ground between allows for linearty and consistancy between the data lines. This is very important for high speeds to prevent crosstalk. Taking all 40 data lines and 40 ground lines and stuffing them into a round channel negates the point of having 80 wires (as 40 of them are virtually useless). However, if there was a round IDE cable manufacturer that didn't just use a rubber coating and used something similar to coaxial then it could be argued that round is better, and consequently more expensive.
Again thanks to all who helped me! :)
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16. March 2005 @ 13:26 |
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http://www.slcentral.com/articles/01/6/flatvsround/print.php
http://mikhailtech.com/articles/other/roundide/
OK I can provide links also that say the round cables are better. So what is the point? I just gave my opinion and I have been building and testing computer systems for 14 years now so what do I know? Take a round 80 wire 40 pin cable apart one day and you will see that it is shielded just as good if not better than the flat IDE cable they are not just stuffed together as you say. In one of those links provided he actually did the airflow test with the flat versus round cable and the differents is pretty dramatic. I myself when switched to the round cables was able to lower my system temp 5 deg C thats pretty significant IMO.. I know you didnt want a debate but you got one LOL :-)
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16. March 2005 @ 15:17 |
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I wasn't talking about data transfer speed, I was mearly talking about interference. They will obviously be comparable.
Since you are a tech you will have an oscilloscope. Use that oscilloscope and check to see which cable type has more crosstalk between data lines.
As for case cooling, I thought that it would help my case too. But any adequately cooled case will not see much if any of a difference in case temperature. When I put my roundies in I didn't see any difference, both with a stand alone sensor and the onboard. Now, with that being said, if you have a case that really needs the room and benefits substantially than I would most definatly use the round ones. Not to mention they look neat :), but then again so do my black and silver ASUS flat IDE's.
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/misc/Round_Cables_1.html
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I would?? You have to be kidding me right?? I would use that for what purpose when buiding computers?
If your theory were correct that would mean your flat IDE cable never cross's or touches another cable in your PC.. I highly doubt that in fact the flat cables in your system more than likely are folded over somewhere or cross each other somewhere in the system. So how would you account for that cross talk just out of curiosity. You see the round cables are much more flexible and can be tucked away from all the interferance.
Now I have run some software burst tests and such with each cable installed, and to be honest there was absolutly no difference in speed or data transfer rate. So I am back to my original opinion in this manner and that is to just make sure you get the 80(wire) 40(pin) cable, but the round will keep your system cooler regardless of the case size. Also there are some cheap round cables that are just stuffed together, but if you do a little research you can find some good ones.. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=12-105-010&depa=1
Peace:-)
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16. March 2005 @ 16:29 |
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Let?s think about this for a minute shall we?
When was the last time that there was a thread here in Afterdawn.com on round cables effecting anyone?s PC? We do have over 300,000 members here and I am sure that this would have come up before if it was a serious problem.
When did we hear of anyone on any website talk about problems with round cables, warning us not to purchase them?
In an 80 wire ribbon, round or flat there are 40 wires as direct grounding leads to prevent crosstalk. Electricity ALWAYS takes the path of least resistance, so what is a ?greater resistance?, a direct grounding lead per matched ribbon wire, or possible feedback through inductive reactance? Maybe if there was a lot of moisture in the case that might have some effect, but not usually the case.
I have three PC?s and one Laptop, two PC?s with Round Cables and one with flat ribbons. I have no problems with any of them. As you see by my specs in my signature, I like speed, having a CPU over-clocked at 3.74GHz, and by all accounts its running pretty good! So when or if there are more articles written on why I shouldn?t use round cables any longer, I?ll take heed, but until then, they are staying. Not because of better cooling, but only because they look great! <G>
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16. March 2005 @ 16:33 |
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LMAO!!! Yeah that tooo :-)
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16. March 2005 @ 20:02 |
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BBMayo does make a good point about folding the ribbon upon itself. I was also not saying no one should buy them, I also have three PCs all with round cables in them one way or another. Round cables obviously work.
My comment is not false but you will continue to argue it either way. I will leave it at that as I didn't and don't want to have a dabate about this.
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16. March 2005 @ 20:10 |
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Hey im a new user just wondering if i indeed uninstall the ide controllers will i also lose my firmware?? Thanks
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16. March 2005 @ 20:21 |
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No your firmware in onboard the drive itself where as the ide controllers are windows drivers.
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