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Intel P4 vs AMD
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12. October 2005 @ 13:41 |
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tophawk
My Venice core will already take any P4 at 3.4 GHZ in everything but encoding and I'll beat most systems at that or match it or come within seconds of it. Look at it like this, The fastest Gaming CPU is the FX57 which is a San Diego core clocked at 2.8 GHZ. That means that since they both have exactly the same core then the only real difference between the FX57 and the 3700+ is clock speed.
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tophawk
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12. October 2005 @ 14:15 |
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I notice that Sophocles has
AMD 64 3500 Plus 2.2 GHZ does that equate approx to an Intel 2.2 or is this a whole diff ball game.
Rather than bother you guys is there somewhere I can read up on this nfo.
Anyway thanks to Sophocles & brobear for responding.
kinda nice in this s*** world that someone does summat for nuthin
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12. October 2005 @ 14:27 |
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The 2.2 GHZ doesn't equate to a 2.2 P$ the number you look at is the 3500+ that's the equivalent. Now if you look at my specs some more you will notice that my CPU has been overclocked to 2.664 GHZ and that would equate to about a 4400+. I've compared my speeds to a P4 extreme edition running at a 3.7 GHZ and beat it.
And you're welcome.
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12. October 2005 @ 16:44 |
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oops.
Donald
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12. October 2005 @ 16:54 |
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You're replying to two different people. You're replying to Triock and tophawk. One, a 14 year old set a budget, and the other just wanted an opinion of the quality choices he'd made. I know this because I've done it before. LOL
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12. October 2005 @ 17:27 |
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So sorry. I'm not paying attention. Bad dog.
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12. October 2005 @ 17:41 |
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Welcome to the I've been there so many times before self support group. LOL
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12. October 2005 @ 17:43 |
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In that case.
Tophawk,
Your choice of motherboard is very good. For any chipset the Asus version is the strongest and most reliable over the long haul.
They are rather performance oriented so for a new builder they can be a little daunting in the settings department, but the efforts are worth the trouble.
The 3700+ sounds like an ideal proceesor. Any higher would yield little for the investment. I have heard they run 3.0 ghz with a decent HSF.
The memory should be better to get the best use of the board.
NF4 boards are picky. Corsair XMS seems the best choice for performance.
Donald
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12. October 2005 @ 17:54 |
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Solid advice, I'd buy it.
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12. October 2005 @ 18:30 |
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You did buy it, kind of.
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tophawk
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12. October 2005 @ 23:18 |
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many THANKS for all the comments
I think I will just upgarde the memory and run with it
I understand that Corsair might be a good choice with this spec
Thanks again I am now more confident
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13. October 2005 @ 04:27 |
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tophawk
Good luck, let us know how it turns out,
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13. October 2005 @ 10:26 |
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Sophocles
Cheers .. will do
It is a November purchase and I am now checking out the prices between two suppliers ( now I know what I am buying :] )
Thanks again
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Triock
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13. October 2005 @ 11:29 |
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Hey guys, the best chip for gaming would be the athlon 64 right? and if not, remember, im on a budget.. and i'm planing on getting the 2.2 athlon 64 with the 1.0 gig fsb. and a gig of ram, what do you think i can overclock that to??? a 2.6??? thanks for the help....
here is the mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127212
I know asus is the best but a bit pricy... if you find a better mobo that is worth the extra price... tell me and send the link...
Thanks,
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13. October 2005 @ 11:54 |
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Im running a epox mobo that is only 80 bucks over at newegg with a 2000 fsb without a problem and all the overclocking you could want. How can ya beat that? Plus many utilities and monthly bios updates.
I got mine oc to 2.5. Anymore than that and the comp wont post. Dont know if the kingston pc2700 is the culprit or just cause I aint upping the cpu voltage. Just leaving it at stock voltage. But other than that...Im content. I think intel sucks and the only reason amd doesnt run their chips at full potential is so they dont get their arse in a crack with intel. ie...sued! Espicially when intel finds out a 300.00 chip is wiping the floor with a 1000 dollar intel extreme edition.
Enough said. So it just leaves it up to us to find the true potential.
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epox mobo EP-9NPAJ
amd 3700+ san diego core oc to 2.50
antec true power 430 watt dual +12 volt rails @ 18 amps each
bfg geforce 6800 gt oc edition
dragon case
2 x 512 DUAL CHANNEL ELIXOR RAM
Ibm P260 dvi & vga 21 inch crt monitor 1600 x 1200 @ 85 htz Oh yeah!!
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13. October 2005 @ 11:59 |
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Good for you. It is your memory that's limiting your overclocking to 2.6 GHZ or more. The 2000 MHZ frontside bus isn't really true but it is virtually true. The extended results are taken from dual channel memory, each at 1000 MHZ.
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13. October 2005 @ 12:44 |
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Sophocles
just having a little trouble sourcing the memory that you have on your spec I can only find Corsair® 1024Mb TwinX XMS 4000 Pro (2 x 512MB)
Wonder if you could give me chapter and verse on the exact spec on the memory so I can let my supplier locate it
The build now looks like this
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego
2 x 1 gig memory Corsair not yet specified
Corsair® 1024Mb TwinX XMS 4000 Pro (2 x 512MB)
4 x 500 Gig SATA Hitachi Deskstar 7200 rpm 8 mb Cache
1 additional IDE 200 MB Maxtor
2 x Pioneer 110 DVD RW
Hauppauge 909 PC Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon X800GT 256 MB DDR3
No floppy (external Sony)
Cheers............
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13. October 2005 @ 12:56 |
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tophawk
The memory has been changed a bit, they've added LEDs to it. LOL And the binned it a bit more but the link that I'm given you is what's being rated now and it's pretty hot. It's about $60 more for a pair but oh what a pair. This is the stuff that tomshardware.com and anandtech used for the spec you're looking at. It's a bit better than my memory is.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145594
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13. October 2005 @ 13:39 |
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Sophocles
Thanks for the nfo
I'll get right on it
I'll let you know how it goes
u r a *
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13. October 2005 @ 13:52 |
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tophawk
You better, I can't wait to hear about it.
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13. October 2005 @ 15:12 |
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Ah...so if im only running one stick then technically im running a 1000 mhz bus then right?
I didnt know that. Thanks for enlightneing me. When I get the money I was gonna get ocz overclocking platinum dual channel 2 x 1 gig. So basically 2 gigs in dual channel. But for now its alright.
Oh yeah forgot to mention one thing. At idle im at 34c roughly and under load at most i have seen is 43c. With stock air cooler and two case fans. So this is one helluva of a chip for 300 bucks...lol. In fact turning down the clock to stock didnt seem to make more of a difference than a degree or two. So thats another reason Im happy. Hey do you think I should upp the cpu voltage. The system seems stable, but I was wondering. Plus there is adjustment for the pci express speed. Should I miss with it? Right now the vid card is oc to 407 and 1.7 ghz memory. I let nividia drivers find it.
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epox mobo EP-9NPAJ
amd 3700+ san diego core oc to 2.50
antec true power 430 watt dual +12 volt rails @ 18 amps each
bfg geforce 6800 gt oc edition
dragon case
2 x 512 DUAL CHANNEL ELIXOR RAM
Ibm P260 dvi & vga 21 inch crt monitor 1600 x 1200 @ 85 htz Oh yeah!!
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13. October 2005 @ 15:18 |
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If you're going to get something comparable to the XMS Corsair, you need to look to the OCZ Titanium line. Besides having low clock speeds, I like the copper heat spreader.
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13. October 2005 @ 15:53 |
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LOL. Never up your voltage unless you need to, if it's running stable then leave it alone. Any temps under 45 or less idle or 55 full load is of no concern.
Technically no one is running the advertised front side bus. DDR 400 is technically 200 mghz front side bus, but the memory speed quad pumped gives you a 800MHZ front side bus speed. With the new new AMD's it's multiplied by the HyperTransport speed which is 5 times 200 or a 1000 MHZ frontside bus. Add to that dual channel memory and you get 1000 times 2 or 2000 MHZ front side bus. BTW, on overclocked systems with dual channel that can be higher.
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Triock
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13. October 2005 @ 16:04 |
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Hey, what about me????
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13. October 2005 @ 17:09 |
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What about you? The memory being discussed here is high end. The RAM sets (2 X 1GB dual channel) are over $300 for the best of both the Corsair and OCZ. You need to figure out the Processor and board you want and then the memory to go along with it. The RAM can be upgraded later if necessary. You need to figure how much of your budget can be allocated to the purchase of RAM and buy accordingly. You can get 512MB RAM for about $60 by Corsair, but it isn't the fastest.
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