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brobear
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6. November 2005 @ 04:27 |
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Donald
I agree with you. As I mentioned earlier, at those prices, I'd rather go with dual core. Doing a custom build isn't being a CAB, it's just using what's available to be more cost efficient. Plus a custom build insures you're getting exactly what you want. Building better than what you can buy is what it's all about. The only time I've seen factory units be more cost effective is for the "working" PCs like the low to midrange Gateways, Dells and such; where custom tweaking isn't desired.
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6. November 2005 @ 04:32 |
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With the new AMD's you don't really need liguid cooling in fact in most cases you only need the stock heatsink and fan. The point that I was making earlier is that the FX57 is just a highly clocked San Diego core. Any middle priced processor from AMD can get at least another 300 MHZ on top of its rated speed. I was able to increase my CPU speed by 440 MHZ over top the 2200 MHZ that it's rated for while staying operationally quite conservative. The AMD San Diego core comes off the same production line as the FX57 does and until their multipliers are set there is no real difference between any of them and when they're over clocked to the speed of the FX57 then they're effectively FX57's. Most failed over clocks are caused by cheap memory.
For $334.00 (Newegg) in North America one can pick up the the AMD 4000+ San Diego core which comes at 2.4 MHZ. To increase my speed to its current over clocked speed of 2640 MHZ (I had it higher)I had to increase my frontside bus speed to 240 MHZ which when multiplied by 11 gives me my current CPU speed and with a memory command rate of 1T. My temperatures idle between 33 to 35 degrees celcius and under full load it has never hit 49 degrees celcius. If I were to use the same memory with the AMD 4000+ I should be able to hit the same frontside bus speed. That would mean 240 MHZ times a multiplier of 12 which would bring the San Diego core to 2880 MHZ. At the same speed an overclocked CPU is usually a little faster because the non over clocked CPU is running with a front side bus speed of 200 but the overclocked CPU is running with a frontside bus speed of 240 or greate. Now one needs to add quality memory.
Right now Newegg has a great price on CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB)TWINX1024-3200C2PRO for $124. This is the same memory that Tomshardware.com and most other technology sites that are into overclocking use. The total cost of the CPU and memory is $458.00 that's $553.00 less than the FX57 sells for alone and since you also had to pay for you memory let's fact that in at $47.00 which brings the total savings to $600 for a slightly faster system (that's enough to buy and extra Nvidia 7800 and two 74 gig western digital Raptors). If someone came to me and told me that they wanted a cheap PC for under $600 I'd say just grab any of the bargain brands at bestbuy, but as the price begins to exceed $1000, then I recommend a home built for the best value. At $2000 for parts one can build a PC that should be able to beat or match the $4000 units.
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6. November 2005 @ 04:41 |
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Besides, who wants to miss out on killing a board on a bad flash and breathing life back into it. So much fun to have.
I have 2 extra boards to fill with a 939 AMD processor. I am just waiting for the right price on the right part.
I figured to use one as a low power server and the other at work.
Maybe a 3000+ and 3800+ x2 respectively.
I have to go to my second job to pay for my habit now:)
Donald
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brobear
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6. November 2005 @ 04:42 |
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LOL I was just pointing out what one could actually buy for such and extreme price. That Alienware PC was one that's been to the races and came back a winner. It needs the liquid cooling for the way it's set up and for what it does. I'd never advocate buying one though. As I said, I prefer the naturally aspirated models.
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6. November 2005 @ 05:10 |
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I hear you loud and clear. I'm getting ready to pick up the X2 4400+. I was just going to add it to my current setup but now I think that I'm going for a complete build. I have two gigs of Corsair XMS CAS2 memory not being used, an 80 gig SATA 150 western digital not being used( get another and put them in a raid), a 430 watt antec power supply, a samsung combo cd rom, a sony DRU 500, Nvidia Ti 4200, and an ATI 9500 Pro vid cards which are fine since I don't intend to do any serious gaming, I also have several CPU's and a an unused gigabyte socket A board just to name a few. I told my wife that if she hassled me about all this stuff that I'm buying that I'd take up building automobiles which is more expensive and uses a lot of room.LOL
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6. November 2005 @ 05:19 |
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I was supporting your view on cost and taking it a step further. Aienware makes some pretty good machines, and for those who want speed, have the money, and aren't into building they're a fair choice. Common sense however should tell them to look for a builder if they want to have it all for less.
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6. November 2005 @ 07:38 |
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Thats interesting the one i have has a lot more than the alien ware i jave the fx 57 2 7800gtx as opposed to 6800,s 2 gig of memory 800 gig hard drive xp office and a 19in tft for about $50 less than the alienware plus i get 3 yrs on site warrenty so maybe it actually cheaper to buy pcs here lol makes a nice change as your always cheaper in the US for most things, i actually configured the alien ware up to almost the same spec as my evesham and it came to
$6,586.00 as low as $198/mo.*
Price is before all applicable rebates.
so i dont know what to say as mine is over $2,000 cheaper here in the UK plus you would need to add on a decent 19 in TFT monitor so your looking at over $7,000 which seems pretty expensive compared to mine at $4,700 plus whatever xp office would cost as its not listed on the alienware site as an add on. So maybe better to buy here and shop over to the US
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6. November 2005 @ 11:03 |
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I priced your listed specs on the site you gave and came up with a 5800 dollar machine.
The Aurora is the closest Alienware with the same specs at 5300 dollars.
You can't compare the ALX to the desktop you listed. It is a higher end machine all around.
Donald
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6. November 2005 @ 11:42 |
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As far as I'm concerned, the 3500+ is a 'decent' processor. The majorty of PCs in existance today have a slower processor than that. I may overclock it at some point, but only when I feel it necessary, and only after at least a year of having it, so I don't break my promise.
Given this, is it worth specifying XMS4400 RAM instead of standard PC3200? an extra £92 is quite a lot, and I'm not sure I'd be able to do it.
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6. November 2005 @ 11:51 |
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The 3500+ is an overclockers dream. It is expected of you.
In any case, XMS memory would be a very good investment.
A small 200-300 mhz overclock barely even registers on the scale. It seems silly to waste that much horspower by running it at 2.2g.
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6. November 2005 @ 13:02 |
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So with a stock cooler, what speed could i expect with a) normal DDR and b) XMS?
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matt5112
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6. November 2005 @ 13:05 |
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just out of curiousity what do you use 700gb of hdd space for? video editing?
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6. November 2005 @ 13:33 |
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700 GB is about right for Windows 2010. He is thinking ahead.
Actually 700 isn't that much by todays standards if you do anything with video and backup your files and play games ect...
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matt5112
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6. November 2005 @ 13:39 |
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i manage fine with a 160gb WDC and i play alot of games and have 10 gb of music. but if i started puting movies on my computer again i would most definatly need at LEAST 400 gb to 500gb.
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64026402
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6. November 2005 @ 13:53 |
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I'm a pack rat. I keep everything. It builds up.
I still have my old Key Resume program backed up. The floppy is gone.
I still use the program every once in a while.
Donald
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matt5112
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6. November 2005 @ 14:12 |
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wow... lol i am i the same way untill i run out of room then i go on a deleting spree
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6. November 2005 @ 14:17 |
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HDs are so cheap it doesn't make sense not to have multiple redundant storage units. To risky to just have a 160g drive to depend on.
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6. November 2005 @ 14:20 |
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XMS 4400 sounds like it might be DDR2 and if you're using AMD it's imcompatible.
Speaking of deleting I have almost a dozen DVD's on my hard disk I need to deal with.
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oh so true.. im planning on setting up raid 5 with 3 sata 2 250gb hdd with 16 mb cache
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6. November 2005 @ 15:08 |
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PLEASE READ THIS....
Hey, sorry it took me soo long to email yall back.... Hey so sophocles do you think i can have some of your extra stuff.. hay, i mean you probabley have a lot of good old junk if you know what i mean... because for you last lears stuff is probably pretty old to you... i want to build my own computer with a san diago core that is a 2.2 and overclock it to a 2.4. but i herd that the clawhammer is a better core????
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Sorry to bother, but i am using my sisters p3 737mghertz pos. and i 8 bit video card and a 128 mg of ram which the os is taking up, correct? sorry, i know a lot of questions,but i like to learn as much as i can. but what is the deal with yall getting these 600.00 video cards when i can get a 256 mg video card agp or psi for about 130.00... is that card crap.. cause i have a 64 mg video card... LOL.. it was cristmas and my dad was going to order me a 256, but i wanted my stuff then and know.... LOL
Im 14 as yall know and i am getting the 360 platnum edition... and will have about 350.00 to spend afterwards... i am also in the information academy at school and am doing great, only bad part is that it is bacily a typing class..
Sorry about the please read sigh i figured that it was too long for yall to want to read...
Thanks to all that read,
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matt5112
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6. November 2005 @ 15:12 |
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what currency might this be? USD CAD EURO? but for $350 CAD you can get a nVidia 6800GT for $350 on www.infonec.com if you are in the states try newegg.com 6800GT for $350 should be very easy to find. however if you are in europe then i cant help you
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6. November 2005 @ 15:47 |
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Wouldn't you know it, I just upgraded to Nero 7.0 for $49.95 and then I go to check the price on the AMD 4400+ and not only is it's price dropped to $497, but they're throwing in Nero 7.0 Ultra edition with it. Fortunatley I'm not going to do the build until Christmas holidays, maybe the price will have dropped a bit more by then.
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6. November 2005 @ 19:54 |
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while you ripped on Intel above - just remember - Intel's more OC'able
3.00Ghz to 3.66Ghz stock cooling and voltage. Let me see you do that with a modern AMD
3.0 Ghz Pentium 4 O.C. to 3.66Ghz
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6. November 2005 @ 20:02 |
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To All,
As those of you who follow this thread know I am planing to build a new Super system. I looked in Newegg to see what the prices run for the GeForce 7800 PCIx. There are so many different manufacturers that make this chipset's video card. How do I know which card is the best? The only big companies that I've heard of are Asus and MSI. I also see that some of the core speeds are different, from 400 to 480. Would this be part of the criteria? As per Sophocles suggestion I am going to build an AMD Dual Core 4400+ w/Asus A8N-SLI Premium MB and max memory.
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theonejrs
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7. November 2005 @ 03:04 |
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The performance should be good on all the 7800 models but the off brand manufacturers have reliability issues.
comp_kid
The 20% overclock is good for a p4 but the new AMDs are getting 30-40%. My Athlon 64 3200 2.0 ghz runs easily at 2.7 ghz. With extra voltage it goes higher.
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