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8. November 2005 @ 14:51 |
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OOOOOOOOO. Dang yall just got told.... LOL... Hey i was told that biostar and asrock and abit were shitty boards??? is this true??? and can sophicals send me any crappy parts???? HEE HEE HEE.... ;)
Im getting the 360, but i dont know what to do with the computer... what do you need a 1.1 gpu for a video card.. the otherones that i was looking at was 360 i think???? BIG difference???
Thanks for yalls help again... yall never cease to amaze me....
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8. November 2005 @ 15:18 |
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Oh and the guy I mention with the amd thunderbird that gave me the driver game builds computers and fixes electronics.
He might build and fix them but he's not an enthusiast and an enthusiast will blow a repair tech out the door any day, especially one sporting a T-Bred.
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But we are all entitled to our opions. Opinions are like assholes...evryones got one...lol.
Opinions are only opinions when they're not facts. What I said was a fact based on experience tried and true. An opinion is if one person says that blue is prettier than red, and then another says nope, red's the prettiest color instead.
Readeon pro cards do require a good power supply but they're every bit as good as Nvidia cards are, sometimes a little less and sometimes a little more.:)
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8. November 2005 @ 15:27 |
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Well its okay man. I dont want to start a flame or hate war. I just been tought burned shame on you...burned twice shame on me..ya know what I mean?
Cause I did try the x700 and x800. It came out with the exact same problems in the game. WHat more than I can say other than it didnt agree with my system or the point it leeches juice out of the mobo instad of a nividia leeches directly off the psu.
Your probaly right bout an enthusiast ...but no one could figure it out. So now I have a bad taste and im nividia for life. Unless a radeon comes around that can play a game from 1998 with no blue blocks...lol.
This was the first one i tried that sucked
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/ATI-Radeon-X700-Pro-Video-Card-100...
and heres the second that als sucked...but cosdt a hundred more
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/ATI-Radeon-X800-XL-Video-Card-100-...
Unless radeon just have shitty drivers and support cause I still dont understand how a hotfix could restrict access to catalyst center.
I dunno. Like I said when a radeon comes rtound that can play a seven yr old game with no defects i might try one last third time..lol.:>
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8. November 2005 @ 15:48 |
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I don't want a flaming war either, I'm just trying to tell you that your experiences don't amount to much in the way of real evidence, certainly not enough to say something sucks because you and friends couldn't figure it out. There are others on this forum who might listen to your malarkey even though they like me got their cards to work with little or no difficulty. Look at my posted specs and then tell me that I should just sit back and feel stupid for buying a card because you couldn't make it work? I'm sporting the card that you openly declared sucks. Does that mean that I'm stupid?
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The difference is though or sporting a saphire radeon. I was using the radeon made by ati. So ati makes the gpu and the card. So maybe thats the why. Maybe saphire modified the gpu so this wouldnt occur. I got a idea. Got a ftp addy? I will upload a iso file of driver.....then you tell me your experience...if you got blue blocks round the tires and whatnot.. Im actually very curious if you experience the same. Then this will tell me if its my pc or the card...or some way that I can pass the game on to you....
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8. November 2005 @ 16:21 |
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I have many games, which one is that you've had problems with? I'm using the latest drivers that are available on the ATI website and before I use another driver it would have to be XP SP2 ready, and as far as I know only the last two releases are. You do know that ATI pro cards aren't just plugged into the PCI slot but that they also require an addition power connection to work don't you? The games I'll try but your driver I can live without. I'm betting that the problem was with your PC. ATI GPU's are made in the same factory and shipped from there. You're not the first person to complain about a card, I hear some complain about Nvidia and others about ATI and in the end it's probably the user.
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8. November 2005 @ 16:22 |
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Sophocles,
O.K. I got everything. I had the autos turned on. Thats why I couldn't find the settings. All this auto stuff they have now is different than the old stuff I'm used to. When it's on Auto it doesn't show the settings! I am OCing from the BIOS. Here goes!
CPU Speed:3299
FSB Speed: 881
Memory
DRAM CAS# LATENCY 3.0 CLOCKS
DRAM RAS# PRECHARGE 4 CLOCKS
DRAM RAS TO CAS DELAY 4 CLOCKS
DRAM PRECHARGE DELAY 8 CLOCKS
DRAM BURST LENGTHS 8 CLOCKS
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8. November 2005 @ 16:25 |
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So what you're saying is that its working now? LOL
If so watch your temps.
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8. November 2005 @ 16:30 |
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ATI Radeon is one of the more popular builders of video/graphics cards. Great product. I suspect the application before I suspect the hardware. With adequate system resources, both Radeon and nVidia are excellent choices. Most of the "shootouts" in the mags and on the web compare the two. They usually jockey back and forth as to which is the current winner according to which did the last upgrade. Usually problems crop up because components aren't matched, sounds like that may have happened here. Then there is always a faulty item, no manufacturer is perfect. That's what warrantees are for.
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8. November 2005 @ 16:32 |
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No the ones I posted dont have a connection for a external power supply. It leeches of the mobo for juice. See the ones I posted.
Ni I ment driver. Not a vid card driver....the game is called driver.
Here is a review with pics... http://www.game-over.net/reviews.php?page=reviews&id=316
I can upload it to you if you dont have it. Im really curious if you will get blue blocks round the tires on the cars and such.
Here take at a a look at newegg....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102543
If you look at the pics you will see there is no where for a connector from the psu. I honestly think this is why the ati sucks. Maybe the different manufacters like your saphhire puts out a better radeon. I honestly wonder if this is why the card didnt run right...not enough juice from from the mobo to run...
If you want to test the game tell me how ya want to transfer it...
edit....Also if ya look at on the pic on newegg the card does have a spot for a psu plug, but yet its not utilized. The x700 is the same....hmmm im gonna look up ya saphire...
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8. November 2005 @ 16:41 |
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Yeah yours does have a psu connector. So maybe my assumption is right. Since it runs juice off the mobo it cant run right. So maybe ati sucks for card...but good for the gpu?
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8. November 2005 @ 16:51 |
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Both the X700 and the X800 require a power connector. It's incluced in the box with the card, it's a 4 prong connnector that goes to a molex connector and that's what you missed. If your board supported those cards PCIexpress 16X then you could have powered them and the power doesn't come from the Motherboard it comes directly from the power supply.:)
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8. November 2005 @ 17:07 |
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Sophocles,
It seems to run fine. Temps run between 47C & 52C. Motherboard Temp 31C to 34C. I was just trying to figure if the loss of memory bandwith will hurt the performance. During the heat it ran all the way up to 68C (AC Broke Down) so I'm not too woried about it. Most of the other benchmarks seem to be about the same or better. At the current settings (10%, Turbo On) it is noticibly faster even though I've lost about 51 MHz of memory speed. Is what I'm showing good or are there other things I need to do? I've only oc'd one CPU in my life and that was back in 97 or so! I upped a 166 Pentium to 185 on a then top of the line Asus MB. While it worked, it would sometimes get disk errors running at that speed. A lot has changed in MB design since then. I use a test DVD for copy times with the same movie being used and check with DVD Shrink to see how my times are. This change cut about 3 mins off of the 5% Turbo on settings I used before. Hey, to those who might laugh over the small improvement. I don't expect to see 65. I'm 61 now so every min I save is one I can use for something else to enjoy and appreciate. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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8. November 2005 @ 17:14 |
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You're memory benchmarks should improve even with the lost of apparent bandwidth because everything else is running faster. If the temps you gave me are idle temps they might be a little high which is not uncommon for an Intel based system running a Northwood and especially a Prescott. That's why most Intel overclocks require at least an after market heatsink/fan. That's about another $25 to $40 but with those and a little arctic silver 5 you can reduce your temps by as much as 10 degrees celcius on average.
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8. November 2005 @ 17:19 |
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Well obviously if you looked at the picture I posted over at newegg you would see the ati x800 dont have a power dongle nor comes with one. It feeds right off the mobo...
This is eacatly ehat comes in the box
DVI to VGA adaptor
S-Video Cable
Composite Cable
HDTV Cable
Manual
Driver CD
So how the fuck do you plug the psu into that when there is no plug on the card.....let me guess...solder it.....this is why ati sucks...go take a look at the newegg site. That is the bullshit card i had...
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There are different types of X800 graphics cards. Just saying X800 can lead to some thinking one and others another. The AGP card has the external power cord and the PCI Express doesn't. Since the Epox mobo doesn't support AGP and the board listed from Newegg is for PCI Express, that explains the power cord not being there.
I've not heard anyone talking about the power supply to the ATI card being a problem. I haven't even heard many problems from other builders using epox boards or Radeon cards. If getting power through the PCI Express slot was a design flaw in the ATI card, why aren't there more complaints. Even Epox has their own graphics cards and they have a selection with both Radeon and nVidia chipsets. If not getting enough power to the card is the problem, then it is a mobo problem. If it was a universal problem, we would have heard a lot more complaints. The big magazines and web sites would have hung ATI out to dry instead of constantly testing their hardware in comparison to nVidia and usually saying both are good. A design flaw such as setting up a card so a mobo couldn't properly power it would stick out like a sore thumb. As I mentioned before, depending on who did the latest upgrades goes the crown for the time being.
There's a lot of factors involved in how well a graphics card will perform on a given system. If there was a known problem, other than a novice builder yelling shit because he can't figure out where he went wrong, I might wonder (if I didn't know better). As it is, ATI with it's Radeon cards are doing well. I'll probably use one on my next PC. nVidia I like just as well, so it depends a lot on who has what available at the time. Most good enthusiasts would have solved the problem instead of just saying shit.
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It's funny. I remember when I had an AMD 486 4x25MHz that ran as a 2x50MHz on an Opti MB with a WD 360MB hard drive and Trident 1meg video card that I bought just because the chip speed was 50Mhz instead of 25. I remember thinking at the time that it was so fast. Boy have the times changed!
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9. November 2005 @ 02:23 |
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Well it seems awful funny and strange that the two they sell at circuit city does not have a power connector. Just like the two I had posted did not. Maybe they are just the lower standard of the two. It still dont make sense.
All I know I tried one x700 and 2 x800 ati radeon. None of them worked right and in fact I remeber the one x800 started to break and pixalate even watching a dvd movie. So the one definetly had a bad frame buffer...But anyway there is something really...really fucked up then. Why did the two I post have no power connectors...but the ones ya had posted did? That makes no sense. You would think it would be uniform standard not differnet quality...,lol.
Well all i can say is come on over and throw ya ati in my comp for a test and we all see who is right or wrong. Because the minute I put that nividia gpu in I had not one single issue at all.
So I seriously dont think there is nothing wrong with the mobo or nothing else. I even remeber asking tech support if there were known compatibility problems with nividia nforce 4 chipset or epox mobos....the guy had said no. But I still dont think the tech had a clue as to what a computer was let alone how to fix it over at ati....lol.
So that is what it boils down. Bring it on over and we see if it was just a bad batch of cards or I dont know what Im doing or a compatibility issue...which is kinda funny cause I rewire and repair ecm on vehicles which aint too much dont different diagnosing a car ecm than a home pc.....:>
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Might be a long walk to come over. LOL I pointed out the difference in the X800 ATI Radeon cards with and without the external power cords. You have AGP slots and PCI Express slots on a mobo. Your Epox board doesn't have the AGP slot. The X800 ATI Radeon card for your mobo is for the PCI Express slot. The ATI cards for the PCI Express slots don't use the external power cord. The ATI cards for a mobo with the AGP slot has the external power cord. The card for the AGP slot doesn't fit your Epox mobo. As I pointed out, some X800 ATI Radeon cards have the external power cord and some don't, depends on the type slot on the mobo.
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/radeonx800series/index.html
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The new PCI express cards are meant to work with a 24 pin power supply so they still require more power but most supplies are 20 pin. To power my board up I had to connect my 20 pin to the 24 pin plug on my board and then connect the molex plug directly to the boards onboard molex plug. I'm not 100% sure that this is what's happening with Ozzy's board but if it is then without it the card won't operate properly.
Ozzy what is the make and model number of your board?
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Its posted in my sig. Yes I have bith the 20 pin and 4 pin plug in the mobo. The comp wont run without. Dont ask how I now....I do lol.
Epoxx 9npaj
About the only difference between a asus and this board is the asus is hellava more money and has firwire ports. My board dont, but it is pretty much the latest nividia chipset and has sata and ide raid. So I dont think its a quality issue with the board and I know the cpu aint defective cause the comp wonbt even post if thats the case.
Brobear I had first misunderstand ya point, but now I understand. So most of the pci x boards dont have external power. Hmm sounds like a bad design to me...all nividia have external power cords has far as im aware. Maybe ati is a good manufacter of the gpu, but not the card. To me a external power cord sounds like a good idea. Maybe I will consider another manufacter like evga for the radeon gpu instead of ati. Even stranger is to use a power cord with agp...I dont think I have ever seen a agp with a power cord.....
So Im still waiting oh wise Sophocles....im really curious if it was my fault....just a bad shipment between circuit city and best buy.....or a compatibility issue...lol.:>
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