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PCIexpress don't need the connectors that's why there's a power plug for 20 pin power supplies to work on 24 pin boards. I think that your difficulties were the result of insufficient power. To have just one bad card one let's it go but to have more than one bad card in a row doesn't make sense which means that the cards aren't the cause. I'm not saying that your board is bad either, just that something in your setup didn't deliver.
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Im running an antec true power 430 wat with dual 12 volt rails at 18 amps each...combined 36 amps. So to me that is more than enough.
And Im only running 2 hard drives in raid...a cd rom for my music cds.....dvd burner.....6 fans inc;uding the chipset...gpu...and psu fan.
That aint much. I have seen people run more than that on this board with about the same psu or a tiny bigger...ie 500 watts. Plus this psu has all gold plated connections and a seperate plug just for pci express.
I kinda tend to agree with having 3 bad cards in a row, but it also dont make sense I switch nividia and problem solved..lol. Unless like I said and now am thinking ati makes the radeon gpu for all the card manufacters and the cards I bought. So maybe they suck at building a card, but good for the gpu. You know what I mean verne...lol.
Maybe I will try once again.....cause Im building another comp by april, but it aint going to be a ati card. Bad tech support and nothing but problems. Going to buy saphire like yours or something else like evga:>
One last thought was tech support said their driver may not be compatible with way gt game was coded...so maybe the nividia drivers are compatible.
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I've built several machines with ATI cards back when they reined. I've used 7 ATI 9700 Pros, 3 9500 Pros, and 1 9800 Pro by ATI and 1 HIS ICEq pro 9800. I also have used a lot of Nividia which are great cards but usually at basic settings, when you add anistrophic filtering, anti aliasing, and other settings the ATI's tend to do better overall. But run them straight up and the latest Nvidias will push more frames.
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Ozzie,
Ati and Nvidia have good cards of all shapes and sizes. Nvidia often has the edge on performance but Ati has been more reliable. Either way if you experience problems with a card, don't take the Ati is crap way out. Figure the problem out and share the solution or just keep quiet.
I fix harder computer problems regularly and instead of crying I just keep at it until it is fixed.
You might have noticed all of the 5 star reviews of your card on the link you provided. Looks like a lot of owners dissagree with your assessment.
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Thats the thing donald.....I went through everything with that damn card and all I got was a little balder...lol.
After going round and round on the merry go here at ad....I think I found my anser. It made me think. I just dont think the ati can handle the way older games are coded like tech support was saying. Because I do remeber Doom 3 played fine on 2 out of three I tried. Doom is very intensive and a good test. So maybe nividia is set up to handle older and new games alike....kinda makes sense.
The only other thing is 3dmark had low scores with the ati, but a helluva higher with the nividia. If I had the scores I would post, but dont remeber. But like sophocles said nividia can crank higher fps....:>
Trust me....I tried everything and unless someone has a real good idea how to fix it...i doubt I will ever touch another ati:>
Now back to the modding........
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All problems can be figured out. You either stick with it or you don't. It's fine if diagnostics isn't your thing, but if you don't figure out where your system went wrong you don't get to bad mouth any of the parts with any real knowledge.
Radeons have always been top of the line hardware and I have yet to have a single complaint with my systems.
On the other hand Nvidia has so many nightmare stories it isn't funny. All fixable but sometimes annoying.
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9. November 2005 @ 15:42 |
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Back when the ATI 9700 Pro came out Nvidia was way behind in frames but especially with quality settings and then ATI held the lead with the 9800 Pro card. Then the 6800 series cards came out and it became a bit of a tie except that for quality settings ATI still held the lead in frames and quality settings. Nvidia had in effect made some gains with the 6800 series cards but it wasn't a lead over ATI, only the 7800 cards really took the lead. The fastest 800 series card is an all around better card than the 6800 series is, the only real advantage that the 6800 cards have is their potential to run in a SLI configuration.
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To all,
Does anyone know if there are plans in the works for Asus to support 2 7800 pci Express 16x cards in their future SLI motherboards. I understand at present Asus only supports 2 6800s. I don't know the technical aspects of doing this or if it's even possible so I'm just asking out of "lack of knowlege!" I know that there are other MB manufacturers but I am partial to Asus as my success rate with them is 100%. I would hate to build the system I am planing only to find out there is no future for the 7800 in SLI mode on any SLI MB. I know, I am trying to build the perfect system and you can't really do that but I don't want to go ahead and build it now only to find out that if I had waited 6 more months, I could have had the system that I had in mind with the 7800s in the first place. My technical knowlege is pretty good as I have taught elementry electronics at a night school. I'm just light years behind you guys when it comes to the working knowlege of the latest motherboards. It's almost too easy to adjust things these days. Thanks to Sophocles I now know that if you turn the auto settings off in the BIOS it will then display the current settings. 8 - 9 years ago everything had to be done manually with jumpers on the MB, then tested to evaluate the effect it had on the machine. You only made one change at a time and it was very much trial and mostly error. Such was the quality of the electronic components and memory in those days. We never even dreamed of GHz. It was just a word. Hell, Gigabyte sized hard drives were considered to be an impossiblity about 15 years ago, at least in half height drives. 10,000 rpm drives were only a wet dream. Quantum actually built a 3.5" hard drive on a 5.25" frame called "The Bigfoot!" I'm firmly convinced that this was done to hedge their bets so that if they found out that if the only way to get more capacity was bigger platters in the drive, they were at least half ready for it. Today the cheapest computer you can buy comes with at least a 20GB drive.
I bought my first CD-Rom drive for my Atari 520ST in 1986. It was a technical marvel. It also cost $499 (USD) which was a hell of a lot of money back then. Even the 20 MB hard drive Atari offered was cheaper at $399. The ST was a marvel for it's day. It was a better machine than a PC for about 7 years. It's OS (in ROM), which was a variant of Digital Research's GEM operating system was simple and very easy to understand. A 5 year old could figure it out in less than 10 mins. It even had true "drop and drag!" Up to about 10 years ago, the 1040ST w/1Mb of ram (2 Mb Max!) was coveted in the Music Industry. What you labored to do on a Mac was a breeze on the ST. Jack Tramiel, who built the Comadore 64 and later the Comadore 128 found out that he couldn't beat Atari in the market so he sold Comadore and bought Atari. Jack had to be the dumbest multi-millionare on the planet and promptly ran Atari into the ground! He just didn't know or understand what the hell he had, just how good it was or what to do with it. He had the computer world in his grasp!!! Even the Comadore Amiga which was introduced a few years later, and used the same Motorola CPU as the ST and the Mac, couldn't match what the Atari was able to do. Trust me when I say that had Tramiel had had the brains back then, you would all be using an ST compatible today instead of an I.B.M. compatible! Back in 92 I took my then 8 year old 520-ST out of a box in my closet, blew the dust off it and hooked it up so a friend of mine could take look at it. He was just blown away by the then 8 year old tecnology. Back then he taught Computer Science and Machine Language at a local college so he knew a thing or two about computers. With the 520-ST you got 512K Ram, The operating system in Rom (64k), a 3.5" 720 floppy (built in),a two button Mouse and a 13" Color Monitor for $399 640x480 16 colors & 600x800 in 4 colors! The monochrome set up was $299 w/ 12" 600x800. This doesn't sound like much today but back then this thing was the shits! We have come a long way!!!
Getting back to my project, Why do I want to build this computer in the first place? Several reasons. First of which being because I have the ability and enough know how (???)! And the money to pay for it. I also want the satisfaction of building something thats better than anything that I can buy. It's not for bragging rights but rather the sense of accomplishment of taking a lot of carefully selected individual parts and pieces and assembling them into what should be one of the baddest PCs around!
People today, especially young people have no idea of what things were like in the early pre-PC days of computing. Just a short history lesson and then I'll shut the hell up. Back in the early days, I.B.M. leased memory for their systems. It cost over $1000 per month for 16k in 4k blocks! So called floppy disks were 8 or 10 inches (I forget) and stored a whopping 120k. Most storage drives for the system were some sort of reel to reel tape drive or Winchester drives with removable drums . Even when true hard drives came out they were enormous, noisey and you could check their access times with an egg timer. My first SCSI hard drive was 20 MB and about the same size as a loaf of Sunbeam Cinamon Rasin bread. It would take up 4 hard drive bays today. It was slow, noisey and gave you fits trying to set it up! You had to buy a very expensive Adaptec SCSI card just to run it and a tight hat so you didn't rip all the hair out of your head every time you failed to get it right!
Like I said, Computing has come a long way.
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Sophocles,
This is all I can get from Nvidia.
Q: Does GeForce 7800 GTX support SLI?
Absolutely, SLI is a must-have-feature for any enthusiast's board and the GeForce 7800 GTX is NVIDIA's new flagship card for SLI.
Whether this will work in an Asus A8N-SLI Premium MB, I don't know. The Implication is that the 6800 is supported as top of the line but in the technical Specs the implication is there that any pair of matched SLI cards will work. You can't e-mail Asus to ask them as their only e-mail is for RMAs. I'm just not up to holding on the phone for an hour right now or talking to some pre-recorded voice and pushing phone buttons!
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Epox makes a board that supports two 7800 gt ib sli
I believe this is the board that can do it. Basically same thing as mine, but with sli. If in doubt contact expox...
http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps=371
As too all. I give up on the radeon. No one round here seems to have a clue or care what problems I had or how to fix it. So fuck it Im happy with the nividia.
And also I dont know what yall do for a living, but I work as certified mechanic and do anything including diagnostic work. So Yall would think if I could diagnose a car ecm, then I could diagnose a home pc. There nots much different.
Besides you try finding that one ground wire thats snapped and the car wont start and you tell me its harder to diagnose pc...yeah right. Espicially when you have to trace the loom and it ends up being buried under the goddamn intake and it takes 6 hrs to rip the fucking manifold to fit it. You tell me it harder to diagnose a pc....yeah okay....lol. :>
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I apprecitae your dilemma but could you please remove and desist in using vulgar language? There's a 14 year old who also uses this thread.
For careers I was musician, then Recording studio tech/mixer, trained at the Ontario Institute of Recording Technology (try ripping a 32 track Mitsubishi westar apart fixing it and then reasembling it), I ran a business for a while. Then I obtained a degree in Social Work and Education. I'm certified in Math and Science as well as ESE. I'm currently working as an ESE Resource facilitator.
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Well, I broke down and called Asus this morning. They actually have a pre-sales line just for questions like mine. I was pleasantly surprised when it took less than a min. to speak to a real live person. The answer is their SLI boards support 2 7800 pci x16 video cards. They are not limited to the 6800.
Newegg has the XFX version for $359 (USD) It also has the fastest core clock speed at 450 MHz. The way the prices have been dropping, I expect to see them for $299 by years end.
What do I do for a living??? I am a Dental Equipment Service Tech and a Federally certified X-Ray Service Tech. I have been doing this for 38 years and recieved my Federal license in 1977. I have been to schools for Siemens, G.E., Ritter and J. Morita for Digital electronics and control circuts. I also repair air driven Dental handpieces. You know, the drill that goes in your mouth to drill your teeth. These turn 400 to 450,000 rpm by the way. I got into computers around 1983 or 84 and started building systems in 89. Using the S.W.A.G. (Scientific Wild-Assed Guess) formula, I've built about 800 new systems over the years. I got away from computers for about 5 years and started playing with them again in 2003. I now repair and build custom computers on the side, mostly for Dentists and Doctors. As is evidenced by my lack of knowlege with the newest technologies. I've found that even though systems are way more complex today, they are much easier to set up once you understand how to do it. Today you have control over so many things in a motherboard without resorting to jumpers like you had to do in the old days. Thanks to some of the people in this forum, I am now able to understand more about what you are actually doing when you set the MB up!
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I repair and build PC's on the side too but mostly for gamers. During my business phase I began selling 186 computers back in 1979 or 1980 (can't remember the year) when macs still reigned supreme. I began repairing them about the same time but it wasn't until the introduction of Win321 that I started to build. In 1996 I really stepped up the volume and began building mostly high end machines(yes I've built a few cheap machines too). I classify myself as a knowledgeable enthusiast and I never let money interfere upgrading.
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Are you getting two 7800 now? If so I can't wait to see your 3dmark scores. I'd do it too but my current card does all that I want it too.
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LOL What do I do for a living? I don't. LOL I attended the UK School of Education, though I don't teach as a profession (honor student). Math and sciences were my strong suit and what I would have been teaching had I gone into the profession. I've driven trucks (big ones), used explosives for underground mining, and even worked in a mine equipment repair center. I also have a degree in Diesel Mechanics. I've worked in both big truck and automotive shops and was a dealership service manager. That's just a few of the things I've done with my time. So, let's just say I understand electrical systems, electronics, mechanical systems, hydraulic systems and the theory behind them. Plus, if they get on my nerves too much, I even know how to blow them up. LOL Don't let that joke bother anyone, I no longer hold a valid certification for explosives, so I don't go around blowing things up. LOL No mad bombers here.
Among other things I've had a few college hours on PCs. I'm also something of an enthusiast and know PC components fairly well. As I mentioned, I also have the background in the automotive service sector. I have months of specific training on automotive electrical systems and electronics (accumulated time to cover changes and updated components). I hold NIASE (National Institute for Automotive Service Excellence) certificatiion on heavy trucks as well as automobiles. I also hold certification from various automotive manufacturers as well as vendor specific accreditation. Among that NIASE certification is electrical systems.
Comparing auto electrical systems to PCs is a far stretch. Some ECMs (Electronic Control Module) are more involved than others, but that is in large part due to the accessory systems involved. The basic function of an ECM is controlling the closed loop fuel and ignition system utilizing variable feedback sensors. Sensors are just variable resistors. With climate controls and such added, it merely requires more function from an ECM, it doesn't make it more complicated to understand or diagnose and repair. Most things on these systems are checked with an array of testers supplied through the manufacturer or from tool jobbers or other equipment outlets. A high impedance DVOM is handy for these systems. Besides being able to test sensors with test equipment, one can check them with a meter when specs are available. Also, a high impedance meter can be used for multiple tests without damaging the ECM circuitry. You wouldn't want to stick a grounded ice pick in your PC mobo would you?
Most tests nowadays are done simply by connecting a test computer into the OBD connector and analyzing the auto computer system. A dealer computer is connected to the database at the manufacturer's facility as well. For secondary repair centers, there are the OBD scanners and programming tools. Testing isn't a matter of wizardry, just good diagnostic skills, and the proper equipment and resources.
Wiring is no more complicated than wires to a light bulb when the problem has been eliminated to a particular circuit. Having a wire buried doesn't make it a problem to diagnose as long as a part is accessible. One simply goes to the circuit in question and tests the continuity of the wiring or the last available spot where the circuit is complete. I also have a high impedance test light (diode and resistor, made it myself) that I can test ECM circuits with (both positive and negative circuits). So armed with a DVOM, my test light, and a wiring diagram (the diagram should state routing locations as well as color codes), tracking circuit faults is simple. I sympathize with hours involved getting behind a manifold to expedite a repair, but that is mechanics; nothing to do with computers except the component covers a wire that is part of the ECM circuit. What's it take, a couple of minutes to properly repair and seal the wire in question? More time is involved if the wire is in a sealed loom, but not a lot. Most underhood harnesses nowadays are readily accessible. Sounds like Ozzy ran into a serious design flaw, I wonder what vehicle make and model that was. A mechanic is paid more for the mecahanics involved than for actual electrical repairs in a repair where major components have to be R&R-ed.
The wiring of PCs is minimal (internally); really easy to diagnose and is nothing like auto looms. There the cars are more involved due to the sheer size of the looms. Where the problems arise for PC enthusiasts is when components don't function as they're supposed to, as with Ozzy. Different chipsets from different mobos, different RAM, different BIOS, different drivers; there's a multitude of things that can affect the way a component such as a graphics card functions.
Many components on a vehicle are the same for a line of vehicles, so if a component doesn't work, it's simply replaced. The computer (ECM) for a car isn't a repairable item, just diagnose and replace. ECMs are even simple where this is concerned. ECMs have a PROM (Programmed Read Only Memory) modules. Other than replacing one of those, the ECM is a replacement item for the technician. I can see why an auto tech develops the "if it doesn't work replace it" mentality.
The "replace it" mentality doesn't work for the PC enthusiast with the many possibilities available and the need (and desire) to solve an array of different problems that arise from the many variables. So, being a mechanic may make one familiar with some automotive components similar to some PC components, which is a start, but it sure doesn't make one good with PCs. That takes time, training (whether formal or self taught), and experience. Just doing a single build doesn't make one an expert or give the right to call a reputable component and it's manufacturer shit.
With some of the crusty individuals I've run into, I've heard more than my fair share of colorful language. If a professional auto tech, I doubt Ozzy uses some of the language he's used here in front of customers. I slip and use choice words on occasion. Rarely though would I use such language on a technical thread, especially when minors are also using the same thread. In some situations profanity tends to just show a vulgar personality and adds nothing to the macho persona. It sure doesn't make anyone sound more technical. LOL
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LOL
Now let me tell you some of things that brobear has never done.
1)He has never given a short response
2)He has never placed limits on his extended responses
3)A single paragraph reply just doesn't cut it
4)He doesn't use vulgar language even when he can't seem to find the words (yea like that'll ever happen)
5)Not admitted to being a consultant to the writing of "War And Peace."
6)He never read the "Lord Of The Rings" trilogy because he thought that they were a series of essays.
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1) I have. LOL
2) True.
3) My basic philosophy.
4) I never said I was an angel, I just don't try to make sailors blush. LOL
5) Won't admit to consulting on a novella like "War and Peace".
6) It's not a short essay? LOL
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Now where's the real reply. LOL
Hmm! (And in a deap voice he replied) Coming soon from a word processor near you!!!!!
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True. LOL
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And the words were lost on the wind, and time, and the phonemes fell like leaves from autumnal trees left unused upon the ground waiting to be raked and piled. LOL
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You been making airplane models again? LOL
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Well I apologize for my vulgar language. I have been having home problems and this thread is getting on my nerves too...so I apologize.
You are absolutely right brobear. I have developed the replace mentality. I firmly belive in if something is broke or your not sure, then just replace it with known working part to elimate the part as being faulty or not.
Whcih is exactly what I did with the pc.....I kept changing vid cards till I found one that worked...lol. Sometimes it aint good mentality....but its a way of life for me and I apply it to everything.
Btw...Im ase certified....which is probally usa version of your n something certification. Sorry cant see ya post or I would cut and copy it...lol.
Oh and the vehicle was a 2005 mazda tribute......the main ground for the fuel injectors ran under the plenum over to a bolt under the power steering pump if I remeber right. So I may have exagerated with the time,,, but it was still a while to find the problem.
But I will say one thing brobear....you said ecms were kinda different than pcs. I tend to disagree. All computers...no matter what they are use 100 year old technology such as capacitors and resistors. So they are to me pretty simalar except for the programming part. So as long as you know how to use a dvom and understand ohms...amps...and whatnot you can always figure it out:>
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You guys are hurting my head again.
Ozzie,
I am an ASE Master Technician and hold the L1 advanced performance certification. NIASE and ASE are one in the same. ASE just makes a better logo.
Anyone with a few years experience can pass these tests. It doesn't mean the certification holder is qualified.
I have 26 years experience in the business and specialize in drivability and electrical.
Brobear is right about automotive diagnostics with computers being different. As a rule automotive computers are proprietary with no interchangeable standardized parts.
My approach is the same. Diagnose the problem with proper procedure and test equipment.
With as many as 80 networked, programable computers in a single car, parts replacement therapy(shotgun diagnostics) simply isn't an option.
PC diagnostics is easier so not finding a basic video card problem with a quality card like ATI should not present a difficulty for a qualified automotive diagnostician. No excuses.
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10. November 2005 @ 16:31 |
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Main FI ground is the first then you check on any FI vehicle with a disabled FI computer. It is just to common and easy to fix.
Now if you want to talk intermitant computer electrical problems, then things can get interesting and time consuming.
Donald
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10. November 2005 @ 16:40 |
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You know my level of understanding football, and now you guys want to draw me into the world of auto mechanics? Oddly enough that was the choice of just about all of my childhood friends. It seems even online we pull to certain types with one thing in comeone. We like to make things work right and fast and then faster. LOL
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10. November 2005 @ 16:44 |
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A Mazda Miata DIS 4 cyl with good spark, fuel pressure, compresion, proper timing of cams, crank and cam sensors OK, no security system, no backpressure problems. Starts up, runs for 3 seconds normally then the computer shuts off the injectors, spark still good. Sometimes.
What to do.
Modern FI systems have a secondary indication of cam movement that will shut off injectors after a few seconds if not present.
On the miata the dual coils have a buffer output to the computer from the assembly from each coil. One coil buffer output was inactive intermitantly. Replace the coil pack assembly on the back of the head. Car fixed.
This was a car I diagnosed for another shop after it had been worked on for a month.
It doesn't have any bulletins or any iATN hits. Just diagnostics.
Donald
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