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13. December 2005 @ 18:04 |
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i know he is young but doesn't have to act younger than he is, does he?
I do agree with that and I hope he's listening.
Hear that Triock?
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13. December 2005 @ 20:44 |
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Good call with Triock. No one wants to see one of our Jr members get his feelings hurt. However, we do need to keep things coherent. Triock just needs to put some thought into what he's doing before pushing the reply button. No one seems to have a problem with helping him and answering questions. Maybe we're seeing why "dad" is becoming a bit agitated.
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No need to post threads showing the importance of more RAM for my benefit. That's one of my favorite lines in a lot of threads. "More RAM." Most people don't have enough and it's the cheapest means to upgrade a PC's performance. I'm just wondering if there's a point at which it balances out before a system reachs its limit. I suspect I may not need 4GB of RAM, though my system will support that much. It would be an expensive experiment to find out. Four 1GB RAM chips don't come cheap.
The first part of the article was a good read though. It confirms what I was already thinking, 2GB of RAM with XP couldn't hurt, especially with the RAM hog apps I have. I've been bouncing around the idea and mentioned to BigO that I might be upping my system to 2GB from the 1GB I have now. That'll max my 4 mobo slots with 512MB cards using matching RAM cards with what I have now. Hopefully, if I need to upgrade for more RAM after that, I'll have the new PC by then.
Like a lot of people I have to be hit in the head with a hammer to learn some lessons. Next time the good memory comes first and in the largest configuration that makes sense. I thought I was ahead of the game with 1GB of RAM at the startup of this PC (at the time it may have been). Now I see it is just a good working threshhold. I was only ahead of the game in that I had ample memory to set up the system and not run into trouble. Even with one GB of RAM, I sometimes hit a key and learn the system needs to reallocate some memory. It is cheaper to buy the better RAM the first time round than replacing RAM already in the system. Luckily I didn't start out with 256 MB RAM cards or they would have to go.
It is hard to foresee the future and I've been lucky. How many people have a computer that isn't pushing obsolescence after a couple of years. When I first got this PC, the 1GB was more than enough, but as software was added and updates to that software required more memory, it became apparent the reserve was dwindling. I'm lucky that I have enough memory to work this system without problems, but it would be nicer to upgrade. Looks like it's about time I follow my own advice. Guess it's time to call in Santa. It's that time of the year. LOL
Just a point of interest: 2GB of RAM sounds high and often just something for a custom PC. The major PC mags are saying the newer systems that will run Vista will be needing 2 GB to run properly. I think they're saying 512MB is the bare minimum where bad things tend to happen. With newer software and hardware not being supported with XP, a person is going to need a lot more RAM if they're going to stay up to date. So, anyone thinking of an OS upgrade to Vista had best seriously think about their RAM needs.
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14. December 2005 @ 02:17 |
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I only sent you the link because of this reply.
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I guess some systems can benefit from more RAM better than others.
All system would benefit from more ram, expecially if they're using a Windows NT operating system.
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The statement didn't say anything about all systems not benefiting, just wondering if some might not benefit more than others. A user gets into system requirements, which vary according to the PC and software onboard. Then there's capacity supported and the like.
The article was a good read and had an interesting perspective on the topic.
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14. December 2005 @ 04:20 |
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I agree that Triock is young, and his dad will almost certainly know more about the matter than him, but socket 939 just makes sense. I'd personally avoid that prebuilt system with 256MB, since performance with 256MB is very poor usually, especially with integrated graphics. Better to keep as much on your dad's side as possible, but DO go 939 and go 512MB RAM or more.
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14. December 2005 @ 10:19 |
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Hey guys, I appologise for my immaturity, I am very stressed. My dad is imposible to talk to. My thoughts are, The 754 is a 2.4 but has 800 fsb and i don't know about the cache, and is not duel channel. And if i get that computer i will have 200.00 or so to pour into it.
But the 939 is a duel channel type and the setup on newegg is 600.00 theirfor i would have no money to put into it.. Although i can change the case. So i am cought in the middle. I want the 939 but my dad is stubborn and said that the 2 sockets are the same.
PS: will the 512 cache make a big difference in game play compared to the 1 mg cache??
All i know is that i need info on places to buy computer related stuff... And this hassle is stressing out everyone in the family.
Thanks, And i am sincerly sorry for my imaturity. Triock
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14. December 2005 @ 10:57 |
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Don't worry, at 17 I'm a junior here too.
Are you sure you mean Dual Channel?
Dual channel is where you have two identical sticks of RAM together so they work faster. If you mean dual core then yes, you're right you can only, and only EVER WILL get it on 939 or newer boards (i add the or newer because next year socket 940 will be used as well, but you don't need to worry about that now). The cache differences aren't that great, but the more the merrier. I appreciate the situation must be difficult for you but I seriously recommend trying to squeeze a 939 CPU. As for what one it is, frankly any CPU that fits in SKT939 has more than enough grunt for anything. For 754 i'd again say that you're pretty safe with any Athlon64 (i.e. not a sempron) but you have to bear in mind the board won't support any new fancy things that come into play later, PCIe16x Graphics cards (single, double, or quadruple of course), PhySX PPU cards, advanced sound cards, and whatever the Hardware industry dream up next. You'd be missing out with 754, and as you might have guessed, I cannot stress that enough. It's not 100% absolutely critical, but if you would want to upgrade the system later, you're stood in much better stead with modern technology.
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14. December 2005 @ 11:32 |
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If you look at my setup you'll notice that I'm using a Venice core which has 512 L2 cache. I could have sprung for the San Diego core which has 1 Meg of L2 cache but the performance difference is almost immeasurable so I decided to save a few bucks. Other than the cache difference they're essentially the same CPU.
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14. December 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Set back, have a soda, and don't get so stressed or stress out the folks. Tis the season to be jolly. LOL Okay, commercial is over. LOL
Did you run down your shopping list according to the checklist I provided? With your parts order from Newegg, will you come up short on the custom build? BTW, Newegg is as good and better than most for getting your PC parts. Plus, if you get things in one spot, you usually save on shipping.
I think the big thing everyone has been pointing out is that with a 754 Socket setup, you're building on an obsolete platform. AMD has moved on. With the 939 you have support for newer peripherals and upgrading is less of an issue. It sounds like it may come down to whether you go the older cheaper route or come up short. So, open notepad and copy over that checklist and then go down it to see if your NewEgg parts plan is viable. If you come up short and you know there's no more in the budget, stop hassling the folks. Your options then may be build an incomplete PC and hope to finish it later, take the system offered and put what you can on it, or see if you can start a savings account for a system to be built later.
Getting stressed out and aggravating the folks accomplishes little and ruins the holiday mood. Do what you can to resolve the issue. You may not be able to get all you want now, but a gift of several hundred dollars isn't bad news for most of us. Enjoy what you have and be glad you have folks that think of you at Christmas. I know it sounds corny, but remember Christmas is the time of giving, not taking. To be realistic though, it is nice to do a little receiving. LOL
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14. December 2005 @ 12:05 |
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Heehee, beggars can't be choosers as they say.
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14. December 2005 @ 15:33 |
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14. December 2005 @ 15:52 |
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Get the 2x512 to get dual channel speed for memory.
Get the Neo4 if you want the Nforce 4 chipset. Only $6 more.
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Donald's right on the memory and chipset and you're not looking at anything much different cost wise. We could second guess things till well after Christmas. The setup looks decent and I think it's time you and your dad settled the order, not us. At least you got around to a "more up to date" processor and mobo. Don't forget the thermal compound...
Your father's opinions are his own and he's welcome to them. He's still welcome to drop by http://www.dvdhounds.com for that chat Sophocles offered to host. What degree was that you said your father had? I like knowing the qualifications a person has to call people he doesn't know and hasn't even communicated with fools.
I'm sure I'm speaking for everyone here when I wish you and "dad" a Merry Christmas. Ho Ho Ho
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14. December 2005 @ 16:17 |
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I just told dad and he said that only half is used, for instance, 1 gig with 2 512 stick's.. The 512 will work but only wor, and the second one will act as a secondary, and he said,''what neo4 chipset?? on what board?''
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14. December 2005 @ 16:21 |
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he has a cachelors in science and info technology, and a microsoft sertification.. Well guys my dad has bloon a socket.. I cant go here anymore. he said this a site for hackers!!!
Whatever!! I aint going to argue.. I can still post at the library though... I'f i dont get of he is going to block the site... BYE; And thanks for being their for me.. See yall at dog hounds or whatever it was...
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14. December 2005 @ 16:40 |
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6402 was right about the board and dual channel, you almost double your memory speed and widen your frontside bus out to an effect 2000 Mhz. Would your dad feel more comfortable if he new that I'm a certified teacher. I have two bachelors degrees, certification in science and math, and ESE. I'm currently employed in an advisory capacity as an ESE support facilitator to science and math teachers. I am many things but I'm not a hacker for illegal purposes. Remember a hacker is anyone who tweaks and alters hardware and software to make them work better. There's more to tell regarding my qualifications but this isn't a bragging session and if your dad wants you to get the most for your money he just might want to listen, hardware is a lot different than dealing with information systems.
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Interesting... Sounds like "dad" would have benefited from some anger management courses. Too bad they have no emphasis on psychology in his field of study. There could have been self help. LOL We try to help out and get things smoothed out and we get called fools and troublemakers. About par for the course. Happy Holidays all.
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Sophocles,
Either Triock is pulling ours and dear old dad's leg or he let the cat out of the bag. "Dad" is a communications/software tech type who doesn't understand RAM technology. Now we know why he said there's no difference in processors, they all plug into a motherboard. Right? Now I wonder who is going to put the goodies together and set it up.
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14. December 2005 @ 17:05 |
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Triock is probably tweaking his dad. And thats an Nforce 4 chipset from Nvidia. They are the best chipset for speed right now if that is important. Intel or AMD.
Without 2 or 4 sticks of Ram you will run single channel memory. Half speed memory.
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Either Triock is yanking our chains or dear old "dad's". LOL I don't think you're going to be able to teach computer tech 101 to those who don't grasp the concepts or wants to listen. For someone with "a cachelors in science and info technology, and a microsoft sertification", "dad" doesn't communicate well or understand the way a computer system actually functions; at least from what Triock has told us anyway. LOL I wonder if "dad" is really that dense.
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14. December 2005 @ 17:30 |
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The even weirder thing is he is listing a fan to go with the cpu. Why bother? Most cpus come with stock heatsinks and that would save 30.00..
I know I bought the same chip off of newegg and it came with a stock heatsink. Damn price must have come down. When I bought mine it was 285 in july..lol.:>
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14. December 2005 @ 17:44 |
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Alright guys what have you done? Triock just joined Hounds! brobear or 6402 one of you guys get to ban him. I don't want the Triock my dad stories to deal with.
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14. December 2005 @ 18:18 |
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Sammorris,
I only suggested that system to Triock because it had all the esentials (SATA, PCI Express, hard drive some, decent Video and some memory). In other words it would run out of the box! The system is upgradable all the way to a Dual Core 4800+ on a 1000x2 FSB. If you have the goods, then you can add the goodies! I might even buy one as a stepping stone to the one I am going to build mid 06. You know, pump it up a little. Give it a little muscle! Then see what goodies I can learn!
Triock,
Good luck with whatever you get Dude!
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LOL Not me. I remember you were the one to invite "dad" over for a chat. Guess Triock took it as a family invitation. LOL He's yours to deal with. LOL Besides, you told me to stop being a grinch. LOL
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14. December 2005 @ 18:34 |
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& i'm innocent!!!
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