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Intel P4 vs AMD
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3. January 2006 @ 16:11 |
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novicebb
Where the heck did you read that I got it to 3.6 Ghz? Look at my sig in my posts. It's at 2.753 Ghz. When I get it to go up to 3.6 then I'm quitting my job and going into business. If that number came from one of my posts point me to it so i can fix it. I do have to say that a guy on another forum claimed to get one to 4 Ghz but I think that he's a liar. LOL
I've had mine to just under 2.8 and I think that I could break that but I've just ordered an Opteron 175, and my Venice core is headed for a budget machine. BTW because they're priced so closely get the San Diego 3700+, it'll hit at least 3.7 with good memory and with great memory you have a faster than standard FX57 running at 2.8 Ghz. If you're interested in my benchmarks you can find them a few pages back.
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3. January 2006 @ 21:02 |
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Donald,
I'm no guru on chasing number designations on CPUs. How did you figure that particular CPU was a Northwood? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere. While I was looking, I noticed another 3.4GHz P4 for over $900.
http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=556
Wonder what happened there? Looked worse than the bunch at Dell.
Sophocles
I'll probably go along with Donald as his plan of action followed suit with what we'd discussed earlier. I'll probably keep what I have intact and build another PC. My son put in a new server at his clinic and told me I could have his old one. I have no idea what it is at this point. If it can do anything, I'll probably draft it into service for now. It just had some age on it, it hadn't burned out. I'm just wondering what processor(s) it has and what kind of memory.
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3. January 2006 @ 23:43 |
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To lofty.The second system will mop the floor with the first one, and the resolution is the same for 17" and 19" screens anyway. Unless you really need a big screen, I'd say definitely the second option, assuming you can afford the extra £40. The processor's better, as is the hard disk and definitely the graphics. There really is no major downside to going for #2 assuming you can afford it.
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4. January 2006 @ 02:14 |
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4. January 2006 @ 03:24 |
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@lofty2x2
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Option 2:-
Processor: AMD64 Athlon 3500+ Venice-core Socket-939
Motherboard: ASROCK 775Dual-880Pro
Am I reading this right? is this a 939 processor with a 775 motherboard? Your first option showed a 775 Intel with 775 mobo, different processor in option 2 but same board. Find equivilant motherboard for processor 2 and you'll be in business.
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4. January 2006 @ 05:38 |
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Oh yeah! Heh, I didn't notice that.
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4. January 2006 @ 10:32 |
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Hey, I got my computer... Yall know that, But i can only get CPU-Z, Cause th free sandra is only 32 bit.. and i got an msi 16x DVD player, My motherboard had the cable for one cd drive, I grabed a spare, And i can hook up both, But Together somtimes they will work, But when i umplug the DVD rom drive, Everything runs fine?!?!?
I dono.. . .. And i still cant find out how to post pictures...
Sorry.. BTW.. They sent me a Neo 2 mobo?? Is that what i ordered??
Thanx,
Triock
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4. January 2006 @ 11:10 |
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To sammorris and deadrum33.
Thanks for your comments.
£40 seems worth it if its gonna be lots better, not too bothered about 19" monitor anyway. Does the price seem good to you, ive checked around and it seems ok to me considering the spec. Doesn't mention the Athlon processor having a cache, is this a problem as the P4 has a 2mb cache?
Thanks alot.
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4. January 2006 @ 11:31 |
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Oh it will have one, they just haven't stated it.
The price seems very reasonable, where's this from?
For a 3500 CPU, a gig of RAM and a 512MB GPU plus a 17" TFT for little more than £600 that's an astonishing deal.
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4. January 2006 @ 15:31 |
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Brobear,
The Prescott should have an E designation and larger than 512 cache.
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4. January 2006 @ 17:12 |
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Donald
That Northwood was a good find and at $269 if they still have them in stock it was a pretty good buy.
brobear
The die manufacturing size is proof positive that it's a Northwood. Northwood's come in a .13 micron manufacturing size and Prescotts in a 90 Nanometer manufacturing size (NM).
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4. January 2006 @ 17:19 |
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I called Starmicro to see if they had 3.4 Northwood's available and they told me they might have 1 or two in stock but their inventory PC was down. He recommended I call back in the morning, PST.
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4. January 2006 @ 20:32 |
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Thanks guys,
Thanks for the info on the Northwood. I don't know whether to try it again with the Dell OEM board or not. I'm seriously wondering if it's worth the trouble. It was a learning experience I must say. Never believe anything will work till you see it... I'm curious to find out if there are any decently priced P4 3.4GHz Northwoods still available. I suspect Dell probably has a horde of them, but they're charging robbery prices. If StarMicro actually has them, it will be a find.
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4. January 2006 @ 23:18 |
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Yeah the 3400 is news to me, but if you can get it, I'd expect to yield better results than a prescott.
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5. January 2006 @ 02:09 |
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@Brobear
There should be no problems with your MB accepting it since it is part of its current bios. The prescott was the problem in 3.4 not the northwood. Besides, mine has been running at 3.74 24/7 for over a year with idle temps at 32c and full load at 52-53c with stock heat sink and fan.
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5. January 2006 @ 04:57 |
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I fried the dvd rom drive... LOL ....
I am getting a new video card for my b-day, got any ideas....
Triock
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5. January 2006 @ 05:29 |
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ScubaBud
I researched the problem before I left on vacation. I had to move fast because there was a 7 day return policy on the CPU. I didn't have much time to discuss things before leaving on vacation though.
I was made aware of the issues of dealing with a proprietary OEM setup during phone conversations with Intel and Dell. I had to cross reference a bit of the info. If one is willing to wait a few hours, they can eventually find someone in support who knows how a computer functions. I wish someone had mentioned some of the hazards before instead of after the fact. I'm aware all socket 478 processors are not equal.
The Intel support page you posted was familiar. I'd visited that one before. The problem is OEM boards can be limited and not have the full support for CPUs that a chipset like the 865 or 875 will normally support. No one in any of the "camps" paid attention to the particular application and Dell is "close mouthed" on their systems (they want them left box stock); they like system sales, not useful upgrades. Intel techs tried to prove how smart they were, but they didn't have a clue until after the fact. They're better at troubleshooting than supplying enough information to prevent conflicts. The problem is some boards support a socket 478 irregardless and some don't and it's a pain to find out if you happen to have an OEM system. I'm aware of the limitations of the board I have.
I didn't think cooling would be a problem as Dell did a good case setup and they were running the faster CPUs with the same case and board setup. I guess that was why Dell was willing to sell me a CPU for $700 or so. LOL Funny, I asked if it would be a problem to upgdrade the processor later on if I wanted to improve my setup. At the time of purchase, the tech said no problem. Sure... ;)
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5. January 2006 @ 07:16 |
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" I fried the dvd rom drive... LOL ...." - How'd you do that???
TO Brobear: I'm well aware of how little system manufacturers are willing to help if their systems are customised in any way shape or form. My system is so far stretched from the original it's not recognisable. Merely one optical drive, the CPU and motherboard are left plus the memory card reader. Not even the case. Mind you they've gone bust now anyway!!! Trouble is, the PC's wrecked. Hence why I'm upgrading it in the summer, if it lasts that long. You see a 3000 rated CPu with a high-end 256MB GPU and a large RAID array and think it's a good system. It was before I wrecked it, or mttp, before Qtec wrecked it.
As for the what graphics card, you need to give us a price range. I could list all kinds of cards for various applications. For a start what do you have now?
£ for £ or $ for $ or whatever for whatever, I think at present the X700 is the best value for money card, but you can do better and worse, dependent upon finances.
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5. January 2006 @ 08:06 |
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Luckily my PC has been a rock solid work mule since I got it. I just wanted to speed things up a bit. Had it been apparent I was limited solely to the Northwood processors, I would have been trouble free on this one. Now I'm out for the shipping costs, thermal compound and cleaning materials, time, and labor with only a lesson learned for this one particular PC.
It's not exactly the same PC I purchased. I added a DVD burner as soon as I got it and over the past couple years added larger hard drives and ended up removing the small 80GB HDD it came with. I bought this model because it could be upgraded from the original package. I just didn't realize the proprietary setup of the OEM mobo and it's requiring the Northwood CPU only.
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5. January 2006 @ 10:01 |
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To kronos: You can actually get a retail boxed "San Diego COre" AMD 3700+ for $210 at zipzoomfly.com and that includes shipping. So I doubt you will be able to find a prescott 3.2 or 3.4 retail box Intel for that same price
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5. January 2006 @ 10:01 |
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By the way, anyone do business with Star Micro? The prices are good, I was just wondering about the merchandise and service.
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5. January 2006 @ 10:17 |
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To Sophocles: Sorry about that then. Your listed overclock speed that I referred to is on the very first page of this thread. YOu stated that it is currently at 3.64ghz. I should have realized that it was mistake myself. So tell me more about this Opteron option that you were considering. Are you still considering it or have you reconsidered the X24400? I'm trying to learn more about the Opteron's myself since you brought it up. Never even considered them before hand. So are the Opteron's very overclockable? Do there performance match well witht the X2's and FX57
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5. January 2006 @ 10:40 |
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The X2 4400 and the Opteron 175 are essentially the same CPU meaning the core designs are the same except with a couple of small differences. Opterons, are manufactured on superior silicon, they are binned for higher tolerances, and they have slightly lower voltage settings. The end result is that they're made more stable because they're expected to survive in a server environment. In effect they're better over clockers. When I was thinking about getting the X2 4400 an Opteron 175 was over $800 for the best price but not they're only about $20 more. They've only been around for a few months and now they're being discontinued to be replaced by Socket 940 processors. The Opteron 175's are still highly desirable and they're getting harder to find. An over clock of 2.9 Ghz per core on air is not uncommon. They're considered to be the cream by over clockers.
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5. January 2006 @ 11:00 |
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@ Brobear
Currently they do not have it in stock... the Northwood 3.4 at Starmicro. Did you purchase the last one? :)
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5. January 2006 @ 11:47 |
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novicebb
Thanks I fixed the error, can't have that crap floating around in rumors. LOL
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