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Intel P4 vs AMD
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brobear
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7. January 2006 @ 18:31 |
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Soph
Seems you posted as I was doing the last one. Even though you're a new AMD convert, did you have overheating problems that couldn't be fixed with adequate cooling for your Intel builds? I suspect, according to rumor, the Pentium M will be revisited.
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mrpsych
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7. January 2006 @ 19:01 |
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Here are my results
I scored 9325MIPS and Whetston FPU/iSSE2 3503/4536.
memory bandwidth i got 5495/5455
I dont know how to put a screenshot in here.
3dmark05 cpu score of 4599 and 3dmark05 video score of 2029.
aquamark cpu 9899 (lost 1000 points) total score 40,148 (lost 3000)
GFX 5037.
Everest Home edition latency memory score of 32ns.
And the newest version of pcmark05
it is comparing a pentium extreme 3.4ghz with 9800pro ati card like mine
THE cpu score is what I like.
My cpu 4701
pentium extreme 4410.
my system 3dmark 1827
pent 2727.
cpu running at 2.24ghz.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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brobear
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8. January 2006 @ 01:16 |
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mrpsych
I noticed you mentioned have a problem doing screenshots. We went over the steps on "how to" earlier in this thread. If you have problems, go back and read from about pages 38 through 41, the "how to" instructions are there down to online hosting. Appears you haven't read much of the thread at all. When you get the knack of it, then post the screenshot of your bench. I'd still suggest you use the P4 3.4 and 3.6GHz processors for comparison. Just to make sure everything is as it should be, include the AMD 3500+ from the Sandra list.
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brobear
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mrpsych
I edited my last post for your benefit. It tells you where to look on the "how to" for screenshots.
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I scored 9325MIPS and Whetston FPU/iSSE2 3503/4536.
memory bandwidth i got 5495/5455...
By the way, the Sandra math and memory benches will be sufficient, along with the CPU-Z screenshots. Soph has been doing them, just follow his example.
All that's missing from this shot is your CPU. 
Looking at Sandra scores, I couldn't find a 3500+ for the comparison. Maybe a newer version will have it.
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8. January 2006 @ 01:56 |
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i just wanna know how to detect that my processor has hyper threading. i know i am using p4 with 512k cache but i wanna know how to detect my processor is having ht technology. i got the com from my uncle without knowing the specs so if anyone can help me, please do
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mrpsych
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8. January 2006 @ 02:13 |
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I have read them, just a lot escapes memory. I am going to redo them anyhow the scores were not up to what they usually are.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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brobear
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nesh02
Sandra will list it in the Information module for the CPU and/or mainboard if it's turned on. Even with an OEM board, the BIOS can toggle HT off and on. I flashed my BIOS and had to turn HT back on.
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brobear
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8. January 2006 @ 02:25 |
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Strange, they shouldn't change that much. Even with Norton's Internet security suite and Systemworks running in the background, my benches are near what Sandra has listed for my system. Well, when you get it tweaked to where you want it, come back and give us the screenshots for Sandra and CPU-Z.
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8. January 2006 @ 02:52 |
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I'm not in great favour of overclocking, although seeing the particular benefits in the past few pages, I may change my mind :-)
In reality, I see little point in spending twice as much money to go from say 4200 to 4800. It just makes you someone who wants someone else to do the hard work for them, at an extensive cost. Worst thing is, it's not even hard work.
But on the intel heat issue, it's not a problem with severe overheating stock, but as far as I'm aware, Intel Dual cores have 130W TDP and X2s 110. Let's say there are 3 billion computers in the world. 1 for every other person (I know in reality it's vastly skewed, but you get the idea). Suppose 1 in every 50 of those is a dual core. Seems reasonable. That makes 60 million dual cores. Now, if they were 50/50 split, that totals about 7.2TW TDP i think. If they were all intels, it goes to 7.8TW, and if all AMD, 6.6.
That's 1.2TW difference. If these are, on average on for 8 hours a day for 3 years, the total increase in energy wasted is 1.2 billion x 8 x 1096 = 10521.6GWh
Sorry about all that maths.
This means that Intel's dual cores could be wasting half of that (assuming we have our 50/50 split)
Over 5 Terawatt hours. That's a lot of energy to waste. In fact, it would be 300 million 100W light bulbs for an entire week, therefore enough to illuminate a big city for a week. All this energy wasted by inefficient CPUs.
Well, that's that off my chest.
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brobear
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8. January 2006 @ 03:01 |
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Now, can you give us an analysis on energy conservation relative to those guys driving Hummers as compared to the guys in a vehicle like the Prius? ;) I get more upset by getting hosed at the pump than what little my individual little heatpump Intel squanders.
Sophocles
I fear you're being a bad citizen with all that wasted energy with OCing. Hadn't quite thought of it that way. ;)
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8. January 2006 @ 03:04 |
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So, if what I am understanding, AMD should be able to encode and burn as fast as Intel. I'm about to buy my first AMD (4400). My boyfriend has it and so does a friend of mine. They both have started with the encoding and burning of DVDs. My friend said it took him 4 hours to encode and burn The Fantastic Four. My boyfriend said it took him 2 hours to do The Longest Yard. They both have 3500. The longest it takes with my little old 2.8 Celeron is 40 minutes. My new computer will have to be able to burn DVDs, download files, upload files, work on WordPerfect files. I do the first three constantly, so it sucks when I have stop uploading and downloading to work on DVDs. Sometimes I just work on the DVDs on the weekend, but that also sucks, since it piles up during the week.
I'm ordering my computer this week, so if there really is a major difference I need to be concern with, I'd like to know. These two are so "PRO" AMD, getting a bias answer is impossibe. Be fore I forget, no, I don't plan on playing any games.
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8. January 2006 @ 03:06 |
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I see it as want over need. Just like having a 129W RMS 4.1 HiFi/Surround system as opposed to using low wattage speakers. Now how about those using CRT?s instead of low wattage LCD?s? One wants a higher quality sound over tinny speakers and one wants the fastest CPU over one that just gets the job done. :)
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brobear
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8. January 2006 @ 04:06 |
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... and how bout those guys using 60 watt light bulbs instead of 40 watts?
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8. January 2006 @ 04:27 |
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As for the 129W sound, I very rarely have it above 1/3 volume since my room is too small. We have small house, therefore use less energy keeping it illuminated/heated. I am currently even using a laptop to speak on this forum, (although that's for a different reason), so it's mains draw is below 150W. Our main TV is now LCD anyway.
And I don't have a driving license, so that counts me out on the biggest energy use of them all.
And so what if i want a faster CPU? Surely if I have one that does the job twice as fast as one that uses 80% of the power, it is used less?
And I certainly don't leave my PC on overnight, transferring files. I have done, but very rarely. I could count those occasions one one hand.
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mrpsych
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mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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8. January 2006 @ 05:10 |
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morgana3
If your using DVDshrink to encode for 40 minutes then my 3800x2 does it at 8 minutes.
CCE/rebuilder takes just over an hour for 2 pass.
You need to indicate your encoding program of preference.
You can also get similar results from a dual core Pentium D.
It is just preference. Dollar wise you can get a little more speed from AMD right now. You also get more headroom for overclocking if you like that kind of thing.
With dual core you can pretty much do what you want at the same time. The only recomendation is a different hard drive for the OS and encoding.
Donald
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8. January 2006 @ 05:16 |
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mrpsych
You are a little closer. You need to put you image on a web site like Imageshack then paste a link to the image on your post then put the img brackets before and after.
It is truly simple. No cost involved.
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8. January 2006 @ 05:17 |
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The speed of an encode depends on whic application you're using to encode with. A 2.8 Ghz celeron isn't going to encode RB/CCE in 40 mintues, in fact not even in two hours. The X2 4400 is faster than most of what Intel has to offer at stock speeds, but overlcocked it beats just abut everything.
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I see it as want over need. Just like having a 129W RMS 4.1 HiFi/Surround system as opposed to using low wattage speakers.
How true that's why I went with a 400 watt RMS surround speaker system.
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mrpsych
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8. January 2006 @ 05:18 |
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awww, i was at imageshack and i probably followed the wrong link.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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8. January 2006 @ 05:19 |
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I would prefer screen shots of CPU-Z and that image is a bit small to read.
Now that's better. LOL
BTW, that chip easily overclocks to 2.7+ Ghz.
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mrpsych
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that utility lets you adjust teh multipliers as well and change memory speed and alter thermal stuff as well as changing the name of the processor. I changed the AMD 3500+ into my personal name once lol and in windows system properties under processor it listed me lol. it is free and it causes no problems i have used it for years. I think as well what may be the reason behind the loss in numbers on benches is I have all 8 of my usb ports used and just added an external usb notebook drive i took out of my laptop and had other stuff running in the background. But, I still beat out the 3.6 in some of the marks.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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This is my first free imageshack host.
Donald
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mrpsych
I have several apps running as well when I did mine. I had Zonealarm security suite and AnyDVD to name two. I've used the application that you're using and it's all right but CPU-Z is more stable, and it has become the standard for that type of application even at High tech sits such as Anandtech and tomshardware.
I'm not a believer in software over clocks, I'm a set it and forget in the bios over clocker.
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8. January 2006 @ 05:28 |
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Hey Soph,
A 2.8GHz Northwood will do a 3 pass encode in about 3hrs. Not too shabby. I wonder what my new 3.4 will do with 2 gigs of PC3200C2 (2-3-3-6). The memory may not help that much in the current system, but it's a good start on parts for my new build later. The extra GB can't hurt. Plus, I still have my old 1GB of memory to use as an extra. Seems I'm getting a small parts inventory now.
mrpsych
Try using the setup described on pages 38-41 of this thread, it works good. I even circled the final link you need in imageshack to put in img brackets. Follow the directions correctly and it works every time. You can ask theonejrs, if you need proof.
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mrpsych
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8. January 2006 @ 05:47 |
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that central brain identifier programs to the cpu directly. It doesnt install like regular programs, you just download it and take the shortcut to desktop and send file to folder. It programs the cpu. It has never caused any problems for me. But yeah it wouldnt be wise to change things that would create problems because you could harm your computer because of it. I on my old computer that I had an MSI i burnt the bios chip because i adjusted the memory to i forget i think 1.5 latency with it. Back when I had my 3000+ barton core I was able to cool the cpu 15C using central brain by going to thermal and enabling "halt state" because on the bios on the MSI board it didnt hagve Halt state to enable, but central brain did and it worked good.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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