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9. January 2006 @ 11:29 |
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Thank U all,I've been seriously thinking of buying a new 3500+ dual pross
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mrpsych
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9. January 2006 @ 11:32 |
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www.hypertransport.org is the site for hypertransport. A nonprofit organization holds the patents for it. I believe companies pay for a membership into the consortium to be able to use the technology.
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2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
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36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
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9. January 2006 @ 12:25 |
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mrpsych
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9. January 2006 @ 12:30 |
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Thanks for the link, I didnt know that the xbox used nvidia with hypertransport.
mrpyschman
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AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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9. January 2006 @ 13:17 |
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mrpsych
Not too surprising considering how closely Nvidia and AMD have been working together lately.
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9. January 2006 @ 13:27 |
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Hmm! But one person's point can seem to someone else to be another person's rant. LOL
I would have replied sooner, but I'd taken a break and the thread appeared to be getting back on track. Now that we're starting to talk about console games... I don't even mind a good rant as long as it pertains to the subject matter and as long as the person isn't constantly repeating themselves. Why write a line when a page will do? I've noticed at least that mrpsych is being a bit more concise. I'll try to be more so in the future.
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9. January 2006 @ 13:50 |
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It depends a lot on the subject matter. But, one can link many ideas to a topic, much of what is linked is subjective. Like, a map is to a territory -territory is experience and map is representation of it- this would be taken from hayakawa. Now analogous to computers, hardware is to experience as software is to representation. See they paralel each other. Now, hardware vs corporate there is a connection, and they both at the abstract level compete vs each other as well and is abstracted from the object teh hardware. Language signifies the object and the object is the signifier, words are self-referencing and so therefore a discussion is not anything you 'can point to' but the hardware 'you can point to' any discussion is abstract. The way you view what is said is different often the way another one does especially when it comes to what is related and what is not. It goes to show that there are many different ways to come and think about one issue or topic.
mrpyschman
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AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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9. January 2006 @ 13:54 |
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It goes to show that there are many different ways to come and think about one issue or topic
Most certainly but that doesn't mean that their are many different outcomes, when only one can be true.
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9. January 2006 @ 14:05 |
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True. However, how one perceives the outcome can be different :) but the perception is the abstraction and the outcome would be the objective. In Lacan's idea of 1) image 2) symbolic -language represent the object self referencing 3) The Real- what we cannot conceive in language. Now, in between there is the unconscious the language that we fill it in, 'the gap'. Other and is only what is matched from within the self. If anyone wants to learn pscyhology for next to nothing, you can read some Buddhist literature becaue a lot of the Buddhist ideas are used by Freud and Lacan and others. The idea that you are who you were and how you create teh future from the present is a topic of the same nature. www.questia.com the library it has a lot of online stuff you can read and you can copy paste it to your desktop. I think what they do is they take stuff that is now in the public domain and they put it online. "The Path of the Buddha" is pretty interesting. it was written by 12 buddhist scholars and translated into order only by the editor back in 56, but they had a lot of insight to science and especially psychology lol.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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9. January 2006 @ 14:23 |
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So what?s the latest on your new build, any new Sandra benchmarks for CPU and Memory, stable settings? Some momma don't know money is buring a hole in my pocket!!!
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9. January 2006 @ 14:24 |
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You can't apply metaphysics to technology and hardware, one is conceptual abstractions and the other is concrete matter. LOL
Now lets get back on topic, or you can take these thoughts to the safety valve forum.
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So what?s the latest on your new build, any new Sandra benchmarks for CPU and Memory, stable settings? Some momma don't know money is burring a hole in my pocket!!!
LOL. It's already burned a hole in mine and the chard ashes are causing an itch in my underwear. I just ordered two sticks of these so new benches might take a couple of days or so.
It's a good thing the wedding vows stated "for better or for worse."
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145594
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9. January 2006 @ 15:12 |
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I think 12 buddhist scholars are compiling more test results for Sophocles machine.
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9. January 2006 @ 15:23 |
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I think 12 buddhist scholars are compiling more test results for Sophocles machine.
They had better get there before my wife does, or the only thing that we'll be compiling are my remains for burial. LOL
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9. January 2006 @ 15:50 |
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I surprised the heck out of the wife the other day. She told me to go ahead and get a laptop of my choosing. I almost had a heart attack, but I reciprocated when I told her I'd rather not right now. I suspect some better offerings coming down the pike shortly.
Sophocles,
Newegg is doing a good job of selling the Corsair. Then it sells itself by being such a good product. Here's what I picked up for my "old clunker". http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145574
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9. January 2006 @ 15:59 |
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brobear
That's the same memory that I'm using now and for an Intel system it should run solidly at cas2. It also has fair over clocking headroom as well.
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In that case, if you're no longer using it, pass it along. LOL It would be interesting to see what a system maxed at 4GB of RAM could do. With that much memory, could I multitask while encoding? I still have the Micron 2x512, but it will probably go into a regular "work" system or low budget build. The 2 GB of matched memory is better than 3GB that is bottlenecked. My orders are due in this week. It'll be interesting to see what a $450-$500 investment in the "old clunker" will do. Also nice that the quality memory can be used for a better system later.
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9. January 2006 @ 16:55 |
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The Anandtech read on the Duo Core Centrino was interesting. Seems Intel is addressing those memory issues and that more focus is being given to the Israel team and their Pentium M improvements. The lower temp performance oriented architecture makes more sense than the old Intel brute speed approach. At least they learned that lesson from AMD, or we hope they have. LOL
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9. January 2006 @ 16:58 |
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brobear
If only we could identify the original manufacturer of your board (Dell farms out)then we might be able to find out it's commercial equivalent, pop out the bios chip and replace it with its original. That would unlock all of the features that Dell locked up (possibly including support for prescotts).
Did you get the 3.4 Ghz Northwood?
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9. January 2006 @ 17:14 |
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There is the dialectical relationship between the two :) Man created society and society created man, they both act upon each other as Peter Berger stated. technology especially was created by man not nature, however teh parts were born from nature so therefore the creation of it was of man. computers are like language you have compiled matter the way you have wanted it just like words. Virtuality is very close to rationality in the mind. That is why cognitive science was always interested in computers. It was two psychologists back in the late 50's who decided to use a processor to compute logic. that is how instructions and organization and so forth came forth. After all, 1's and 0's are only used to designate the two stable states, on and off , they could have designated A and B or + or -. But they chose 1 and 0, so that is how language applies, as well as syntax too,
System.out.println("hello world,"); that is like language in teh way it is organized and has rules, system is the object and .out is output and printline is the method and hello world is the argument and ; ends it and argument is what the method does and the rules are " ". compiler could be seen as an english proofreader when it comes back wth syntax errors. runtime errors would be if you designed a calculator and you accidentally used + for a - it would still work but it would do + instead of -. I dont know how to write fuly yet in java but I do understand the idea of the language behind it and how it is classified just like words are. Objects and classes can create methods which are actions and there are rules to writing it just like our language :) just like nouns and verbs classes hold objects which hold files so forth. Language is set up like that, letter to word to sentence to phrase to paragraph to page to chapter, you have active and passive sentences.
mrpyschman
system specs
AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
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logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
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one very last quick statement lol, you have to conceptualize the program before you write it, you have to conceptualize the hardware before you build it :)
mrpyschman
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AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice
Abit AV8 3rd-eye K8T800pro chipset
2 x 512mb pc3200 Kingston ram
9800pro all-in-wonder ATI 128mb video/tv
36gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
74gb Raptor 10,000rpm Western digit hd
250gb Caviar 8mb cache 7,200rpm Western digit hd
40gb Toshiba 4200rpm (usb connected with exter case, replaced
laptop drive with scorpio and put the hd on my desktop via usb)
16x Dvdburner dual layer Sony 2mb cache
12x DVDburner dual layer TDK 8mb cache
7-1 reader Mitsumi and floppy drive
19" CRT syncmaster 997DF flat monitor Samsung
Diabolic Foxconn tooless case
550W Vio power supply dual fan
Xp professional edition
x64 professional edition
logitech optical mouse hp keyboard
logitech subwoofer and speakers
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9. January 2006 @ 17:23 |
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mrpsych
This should definitely be in a different thread.
Try sticking to the hardware.
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9. January 2006 @ 17:26 |
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Decent article and it was smart of Intel to go after a market that doesn't seem to attract AMD.
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9. January 2006 @ 17:28 |
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The Northwood is due in this week, as is the new RAM. Nice thing about my PC case; it has the easy open feature, push a button on the top and bottom and the case opens like a book. So going into it is easy and I don't have to plan sessions. Nice being able to just pop in the parts as I get them.
With the 875 Intel chipset, I'd suspect my problems arose from the locked Dell BIOS, but who knows with them. With the 875 chipset supporting Prescotts, you may well be right about changing the BIOS chip. I've almost given up on Dell parts though, unless someone knows how to track down the info better than I do. For the bucks I paid, I'll be happy getting the system with 3.4GHZ, HyperThreading, and dual channel capability. I'll have the superior Northwood CPU and more and better memory. Want to donate that old XMS Corsair to the experiment? LOL A lot of people still look at the 3.4GHz P4 as a performance processor, but those of us here know better. ;)
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