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Intel P4 vs AMD
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crowy
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9. March 2006 @ 23:42 |
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This makes the intels look a bit sick:
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10. March 2006 @ 00:01 |
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It looks good on graphs, but in the real world the differences aren't quite as noticable. Enough that if I was doing a custom build for a performance PC, I'd go with an AMD. In buying a reasonably priced retail PC, it wouldn't make a bit of difference. AMD is king of the hill, but how many AMD processors will the Intel 955 outperform in stock configuration? Another thing to look at is the market share of these high end processors. The vast majority of PCs sold are the mid to low end systems. Unless you're moving in an elite circle, you don't see too many high end XPS Dells or the highend Alienware, or Polywells, or ...
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10. March 2006 @ 01:10 |
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In a separate thread I'm now looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835106069 for the CPU Cooler. Obviously being a UK resident I can't get it from here, but that's what I'm interested in.
The 3700+ is practically a midrange CPU in terms of overall performance. The X2 4800+ and FX-60 stit at the top of the performance charts, with the Intel Pentium D's lagging behind.
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10. March 2006 @ 01:35 |
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Note the chart crowy provided. It shows lower scores than those acheived by the systems used by PC World. They do show the same pecking order though. The Intel Extremes do better than the D series. PC World had an FX-60 with a Worldbench score of 141. The Intel 955 had a score of 109.
Crowy,
When you supply charts or other info, you need to give us the source.
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10. March 2006 @ 02:03 |
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10. March 2006 @ 02:19 |
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That Dell XPS is over priced for a system that has less than $2500 in parts. I also read Tomshardware everyday and I somehow missed that article, could you post the link to it?
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10. March 2006 @ 02:50 |
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10. March 2006 @ 03:05 |
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@Sophocles,
I agree it is overpriced.
However for people that are'nt too computer savvy,having the peace of mind of a manufacturers warranty might justify the extra cost?
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However for people that are'nt too computer savvy,having the peace of mind of a manufacturers warranty might justify the extra cost?
People who aren't too computer savvy won't be spending over $4000 on a Dell to get a 1 or two year warranty.
My home built has a better warranty since each part has its own warranty: 5 years hard drive, 3 years CPU, lifteime memory, 2 years on vid card, 3 years power supply and so on.
To top it off my system will out bench the fastest of those Dells. Home builts are better than commercial built rigs and if and individual is uncomfortable with building it themselves, there is always someone who lives nearby who is in the business of building fast computers for a living.
In regards to being a speed freak! Guilty as charged but not just for the sake of saying I have a fast machine. All that speed translates into real world benefits as well. More frame for games and significantly shorter encode times just to name two.
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10. March 2006 @ 03:34 |
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@Sophocles,
Point taken.
Encoding times are the one thing that my box is a bit ordinary with.:(
My system is one I built myself AMD1700+ thoroughbred @1667mhz, 384meg sdram, k7s5a mainboard running honeyx bios, 120gb 7200 rpm seagate barracuda,40gb seagate barracuda 7200 rpm and geforce4 mx440 64mb graphics.Onboard sound does the job.
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10. March 2006 @ 03:40 |
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This is IHoe,s(senior members setup):: Dell G4 XPS HT Extreme Edition, 3.73Ghz,1066FSB, 2Gigs of DDR2 SDRAM @ 533MHZ, 2 160Gig HD RAID 0, 256mb Radeon X850 XT PE, 24" Dell 2405FPW UltraSharp wide screen digital monitor, Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS THX, 16x DVD Rom,16x DVD+-R/W DL (Philips DVD8631), Kliptsch Pro Meida 5.1 THX (500 Watts), 100Gig Maxtor OneTouchII External HD, 52"RCA HDTV, Epson Stylus Photo R320 printer for inkjet hub printable DVDs! HP Scanjet 4850 to scan original disks!
Sounds nice.
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10. March 2006 @ 03:49 |
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For £1001 ($1739 directly) I'm looking at:
X2 4200+ with Turbo cooler
A8N-SLI premium
2GB Corsair XMS3200
36GB raptor, 250GB NCQ barracuda
512MB X1900XT
580W Hiper Type R Black UV
NZXT Classic case
Dual layer dvd writer, dvd rom, FDD, memory car dreader and aerocool panel all in silver
LED case fans
That'll get relatively near any Dell XPS rig, and for half the price!
www.aria.co.uk for the english.
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10. March 2006 @ 03:54 |
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@sammorris,
When you get the new one,can I have your old one!!??
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10. March 2006 @ 04:12 |
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Sophocles,
just looking at your si sandra benchmarks.
I see reference cpu1 but what is the current cpu?
Or did I miss something?
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10. March 2006 @ 04:14 |
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Sorry, my bad.
just spotted it!
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10. March 2006 @ 06:24 |
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As you've guessed the top one is mine. Take notice of the P4-D 840 dual core. It's not even in the game.
Using RB CCE I can do a two pass encode of any movie in under 7 minutes with most coming in at just under minutes. With DVD Shrink using all high quality settings they come in around 7 minutes.
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10. March 2006 @ 06:30 |
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@Sophocles,
I know a few years ago Intel chips were overpriced compared to AMD as far as the Dollar-Performance ratio.Do you think the same holds true today or has the general public woken up?
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10. March 2006 @ 07:00 |
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Crowy
It's still true because of how overclockable the latest AMD chips are. I have an AMD 64 3500+ which overclocks stable to 2.753 ghz which sell for $215 and it will match or out bench a P4 extreme 3.7 ghz which sell for $1000.
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10. March 2006 @ 09:42 |
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Which makes the AMD the custom builder's darling. But for the average "Joe" (who doesn't open the case) just look at the prices unless you're buying a top end performance machine. If not buying top end processors and OC(ing), shop wisely. I've seen sales on both AMD and Intel processors.
Sophocles
I think I'd go with a 3.46GHz 955 (more cache and faster FSB capability). Still around a $1000 though. But as I mentioned, and you often tell us, the AMDs are better suited for highend and/or custom building. They're not cheap either. I conceded that AMD is king of the hill some time ago. LOL It's hard to refute all those benches for the top end processors.
Crowy
With the money iHoe pumps into his equipment, I'd think he'd get a bigger TV. ;) As for the PC, he could have gotten more bang for the buck with one equipped with a FX-60 or whatever the top AMD processor was at the time (over the past 2-3 years). The drives and accessories can be had with either an AMD or Intel platform.
When was the last time Intel had the top CPU in stock configuration? My memory doesn't work too well past this morning? LOL
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10. March 2006 @ 12:14 |
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Crowy, you're welcome to the old PC if you want to pay for it to be shipped over to you from the UK!
It's not perfect though, there's an occasional bios loading issue, and it's had a bit of a troubled past, so no guarantees on reliability!
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11. March 2006 @ 15:42 |
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so bottom line is a 3800+x2 with 1GB dual chanel kingston hyper x ram will kick almost all intel's but's
AMD Athlon 3200+ s939 MSI MOBO 500Wpsu 2x120mm fans 1x90mm fan and 1 stocky heat sink with fan quiet as WD1x120GBsata2 WD 1x200GBide 1.5GB of ram X300 graphics card 1 of the cheapst pci express 16x cards on the market under $45
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11. March 2006 @ 17:51 |
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Not likely, but an FX-60 will. ;) The 955 dual core Intel isn't a total washout. Though not as friendly to OC(ing), those highend Intel processors can be OC(ed). Extreme gamers are still using Intel platforms, if that's a clue.
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11. March 2006 @ 17:55 |
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Not likely, but an FX-60 will. ;) The 955 dual core Intel isn't a total washout.
I think that my system can take it out and my processors costs a lot less.
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Buy me an Intel 955 to build and we'll have a good bench race. LOL If I'm going to spend my money on top end chips, I'll put it on the proven "king of the hill" (AMD). The 955 is so new, I haven't seen any results on OC performance tests. Most of the tests that have been done, such as Worldbenches, have been done on test boards set up by those doing the testing. Results have varied. The 955 is better than it's predecessors and in stock configuration only surpassed by the highend AMD processors. At high end, AMD is still the best bang for the buck. So, my opinion is that the 955 isn't worth what's being charged when comparing it to the top end AMDs. But if you want to buy me one, I'm up for the race. LOL I'll be generous and spring for the next $1000 or so in parts, including the liquid nitrogen. LOL
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11. March 2006 @ 21:11 |
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Brobear,
I may have asked you this but forgoten your answer but, If you need a copy of the asus disk for your new MB, just let me know. I can send it as an attachment to IM. Truth is, I'm kinda lazy tonight or I would have gone back and looked. I can't remember whether your's was a refurbished or not. If it is then you are welcome to 2 SATA drive connectors and 1 power adapter for SATA that I don't need. If yours is a refurbished I'll also copy and scan the manuals (2). I know these things don't come with refurbished MBs.
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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