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Intel P4 vs AMD
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1. May 2006 @ 04:05 |
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Speaking of old stuff, what went in CNR slots?
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The_OGS
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1. May 2006 @ 06:45 |
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I have the same CPU as you do. I have my OC to 2.75 and its stable as hell.
You have to watch the memory speed when OCing. Buddy has pushed both his HTT and memory to 244.8MHz - CPU might like it fine, but memory not so much.
People buy PC3500 or even PC4000, which will support 250MHz (500DDR) for their OCing.
To ramp your CPU way up there but keep PC3200 in spec, you must change your dividers...
Sophocles will help with that (I am low on specifics, since I run SocketA) but it is common with A64 S939.
Yeah rugripper, that aabbccdd she's a cutie isn't she ;^)
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novicebb
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1. May 2006 @ 11:19 |
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To sophocles:
I did a burn in of Sandra Last night for a total of ten cycles over everything and my case temp never reach over 41c and my cpu never went over 49degrees celcius. When I do the CPU bench marks, Memory bandwidth, cache and memory, dvd rom/cdr benchmarks everything completes no problem. It is just when I click on the "Performance Tune Up" option that is when my computer will begin the process and then just restart. Never completes the entire process.
My computer is freshly built and is only about 4 weeks old so I know there is no issue with just or anything like as I am very anal about keeping my case clean on the outside and inside. SHoot even my keyboard and mouse is brand new and I wipe them off with a qtip and alcohol every week.
Plus I have three case 80mm case fans along with the stock cpu fan and heat sink. The only thing that is aggressively changed from stock settings is my memory which has a default latency of 3-4-4-4. I changed it to 2.5-3-3-3 and it is working wonderfully. It has built in heat sinks and from Newegg.com reviews, I have been told that I can even lower the latency to 2.5-2-3-3 but I will keep it at where it is now. My cpu is a stock speeds and I won't even consider overclocking till I get better cooling.
I think the Performance tune up of Sandra Benchmark software will not complete because I need a graphic card instead of using my onboard memory. I just wanted to varify my suspicions.
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1. May 2006 @ 12:28 |
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That's quite likely, I'd think.
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1. May 2006 @ 12:44 |
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Do you have a link for the RAM you're using so we can check it out (newegg or one of the other vendors)?
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ddp
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1. May 2006 @ 14:24 |
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sammorris, cnr if right is communication network riser. somewhat the same as amr(audio modem riser)
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1. May 2006 @ 14:33 |
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So what would you put in one, a network card?
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ddp
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1. May 2006 @ 14:36 |
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cnr version not pci
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1. May 2006 @ 15:07 |
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Yeah, OK. Just wondering!
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1. May 2006 @ 16:04 |
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Here are some settings that should enable anyone to overclock their socket 939 board.
Here are some settings that will get you started.
Reboot and enter bios.
Go to advanced and then as follows.
CPU configuration: Set your Hyper Transport speed to 4X.
Memory timings from top down to 3-7-3-3-11-13-5-3-1T.
Leave Memory ad deafault and cool 'n' quiet disabled.
Hit escape and then navigate down to Jumper Free.
Set CPU frequency to 225 (this can be set higher once you find its stable speed).
Memory voltage to 2.7-2.75
CPU voltaage to 1.450
PCI clock to 33.33 Mhz
This will raise your CPU speed to 2.475 Ghz. Run it for a while and if it seems stable hen up your CPU farequency in 2 Mhz increments.
Your success will depend on the quallity of your memory and your individual CPU.
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1. May 2006 @ 18:42 |
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This is where I'm at so far with the new system.
Haven't played with memory timings yet.
CPU @ 1.4volts
temp@ 40 degrees on stock cooling
everything stable.
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vspede
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1. May 2006 @ 20:22 |
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Heres what I did to get my OC. I didnt mess with memory b/c I don't know much about it and I'm not confident enough to do it yet.
CPU configuration: Set your Hyper Transport speed to 4X.
Leave Memory ad deafault and cool 'n' quiet disabled.
Set CPU frequency to 250
CPU Multiplier x11
Memory voltage Auto
CPU voltaage to AUTO
PCI clock to 33.33 Mhz
With this I got 2.75 Ghz, FSB 1000.78
Leaving voltage at Auto CPU Voltage is 1.42 and memory voltage is 2.60
I have valueselect ram and its cheap but everything seems to work out nice.
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2. May 2006 @ 08:39 |
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If that's what's achievable with Value Select then it speaks volumes about the quality of Corsair RAM!
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2. May 2006 @ 20:19 |
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I am considering not going SLI with my next build. I don't play any heavy-duty games, so why spend the money for something I may never use! I would like to hear some opinions of this board.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530
The plan calls for an Opteron 175, 2Gb Corsair XMS cas 2 memory and an ATi X-850GT.
I have to admit that I know very little about MB design and features. Please take a look at what this puppy's got and let me know what you think!
Happy Computering,
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2. May 2006 @ 21:32 |
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Lets see; with an SLI board, you don't have to set it up with 2 GPUs; with a plain board you have no choice. The more expensive Asus mobos have more features. You just have to ask yourself if a more expensive board has enough options to be worth the price difference. If I was going to spend the extra money on RAM and a 175 Opteron, I think I'd spring for the better board. If you decide to sell the PC later, the better board would be a good sales feature besides the benefits it will give you in service. It's only about $70 to $100 difference, but it's your money and your decision.
By the way, when I said a better board, I meant one with more options, nothing about quality. The board you showed is a decent board, it just doesn't have as many "bells and whistles".
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2. May 2006 @ 22:11 |
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For sure, if you want GET an SLI Board. They're great. But for vid cards, Don't go SLI. Its retarded. Only if you have money to blow than do it. But chances are, you don't so be wise. I have an SLI board and I know for sure theres no way in hell I'm ever going to have it. There is one simple way someone put it. Its like this and I'll use my current Vid Card as an example.
Hmm. SLI Config.
2 Geforce 6600 GT's = $220
Video Power combined = awesome
OR
1 Kick ass Geforce or ATI Card = $220 Bucks
Video Power = Super Duper Awesome
Its that simple. For now its not worth the money. A single card, Geforce or ATI, is worth more than twice a lesser card.
Better blow your money on something cooler like memory or CPU.
Also the board you showed, I wouldn't get that one. I've heard there's been major problems with that board. I myself have an Asus A8n-SLI. It works great so I feel lucky. For about 20-30% of the other people, they say they have huge problems. If you see that Mobo Pic, you can see a little fan. That fan spins about 6000 RPMs. Thats freakin fast. My cpu only spins 2250 RPMS. A lot of people have had that fan break and not spin which causes no ends of problems. There is another asus board out there that has replaced the fan with a heatsink. Get that one if you can.
btw to anyone else. is this true? I heard the chip for an AMD 64 3700+ was the exact same as an AMD FX-55? Just cpu frequency different?
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3. May 2006 @ 00:06 |
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so why spend the money for something I may never use!
YES!!! Well said theonejrs!
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Don't go SLI. Its retarded
Lol, sure is!
The A8N-E is a nice, high quality board, but you get the best from SLi Boards (with one video card). The A8N-SLi Premium is possibly the best board you can get/it's worth getting for a single GPU. Stacks of features, External S-ATA ports for lord's sake!
I've not heard of any problems with fan failure as such with the Asus boards, just that it's noisy.
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btw to anyone else. is this true? I heard the chip for an AMD 64 3700+ was the exact same as an AMD FX-55? Just cpu frequency different?
Pretty much, the 55 is quite significantly faster though, 2600 versus 2200. This is how when we overclock A64s they're "like having an FX-55" or similar.
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3. May 2006 @ 03:00 |
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theonejrs
It seems several people that purchased this board have complaints. All hardware reviews will have good and bad but this board seems to have more of the bads then most.
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3. May 2006 @ 03:23 |
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From a power user stand point the Asus 939 boards have been top notch. But they have had some chipset fan problems. For an experienced user this is a non issue. I replaced my little fan immediately with a big passive heat sink and then put a slower fan on it anyway. I also have a Premium board with heatpipe chipset cooling.
They NF4 boards are picky about setup so they will have complaints from the less skilled people about problems they can't figure out.
But this goes for any NF4 board from any manufacturer.
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3. May 2006 @ 06:32 |
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I heard the nForce 4, in particular the ultra runs hot and this is why I have my reservations about the lower end A8N-SLi boards. Given the temperature the chipset runs at in the passively cooled premium, if the fan stops, it's toast.
How good's the Abit KN8 Ultra? I'm contemplating it for my build.
Okay, scrap that idea, seen too many negatives on Newegg.
My System builder offers me these options:
http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Category=282&SubCat=MBD-939
Every board I look at, newegg has dozens of reviews along the lines of "two DOAs in a row, appalling support", be it Abit, Asus, MSI or Gigabyte. Where do I go?!
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3. May 2006 @ 07:58 |
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@ theonejrs
Yes I like that A8N-E :^)
That's my type of mobo, one graphics slot.
I think it's a joke that one must choose between ATI x2 'crossfire' mobo or NVIDIA x2 'SLI' mobo, they are not compatible! Crazy.
I s'pose you could buy a SLI mobo and run 1 ATI vidcard in it... LoL.
It's like bloody Beta and VHS y'know? (groan) shouldn't be...
@ sammorris - How good's the Abit KN8 Ultra?
I love ABit! They are great :^) Don't scrap that idea - what negatives? It's all good.
I especially enjoy (and promote) the 2 ABit optical S/PDIF, both in AND out. Asus has 1 coax S/PDIF, out only - how can one record anything digital with that? It is for digital playback only :^(
Actually, for this reason I use ABit AN8, but they are getting 'rare' - ABit has moved AN8 into top-of-the-line deluxe SLI x16 only, and KN8 for regular folks (S/PDIF out only).
KN8 and A8N are similar price and features anyway... with ABit you get optical S/PDIF; with Asus you get Asus.
I'm waiting till at least July/August anyway, you'd be crazy to purchase anything now. S939 stuff will drop like a rock in price over the next 6 months, mark my words.
I have purchased a new ATI X800XT (AGP8x) 256MB GDDR3 (256-bit) just to hold me off for 1/2 year... I'm good now until next-gen stuff is rolled out. My intention remains to skip over Socket939 completely!
Still don't know though - AMD or Intel? We will see...
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131568
If I was springing for the other nice parts, I'd go with this nice mobo. Throw in a good Zalman 7000 and some good case fans and theres not much to worry about the chipsets warming up. I like the heat tube cooling. With a good cooler fan like the Zalman, that alone keeps the chipsets cooled down.
I'd get this board for all the extras besides the SLI. But then I don't see an extra $100 dollars as that big a deal nowadays. About 2 tanks of gas as the SUV goes (conservationists don't worry, it's a six cylinder).
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3. May 2006 @ 08:17 |
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http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products.php?categories=1&mod...
...since we are giving links :^)
~$200 bucks for AN8 32X, beautiful board. But now is not the time!
I find myself in the crazy position of selling people new custom PCs when they really should be waiting. But wtf, tick-tock y'know? Wife's gotta eat; world can't shut down until September!
But true Enthusiasts should know better...
Just my $.02
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Theonejrs was asking about now. As for mysself, I'm in no hurry to build now; too many things happening that I want to see the results from. Even if a person builds now though, I don't think any of the changes happening are going to seriously effect obsolescence for a while. Having top end bragging rights is a fleeting deal at best. A person would have to be wealthy to play that game and have new equipment all the time.
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3. May 2006 @ 11:03 |
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Unfortunately even the KN8 sees me at the top of my budget, I don't really need the optical recording and such, I don't generally do that with my PCs.
This review is one of the ones that worried me:
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Had some trouble getting off the ground. The Atalon X2 3800+ Required a Bios flash to work, but thankfully I had and older 3200+ to get the job done. If you plan on using any of AMD's 2nd Wave Dual core processors chances are you'll need a Bios flash too.
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Recieved 1st one DOA and had to go through Manufacturer for replacement, took them three weeks to get it back to me. new board works great except those IDE's are a real pain
I don't really want to wait until september, the new system kind of goes into hibernation ish until christmas once we get towards the end of september when university starts. I'll definitely be ordering after the 6th June though, so the AM2-related price drops should come into effect.
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