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13. May 2006 @ 19:51 |
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I'm sure he's talking older systems that had hot Athlons and XPs against the older cooler P4s, not the prescotts. Maybe even back to the 30 watt p3s.
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13. May 2006 @ 19:56 |
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Thanks again for the info all. The more I stare at this stuff it kinda starts to make some sense.
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13. May 2006 @ 19:58 |
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Deadrum33, iam with brobear i would spring for the AMD Opteron 175 Demark over the 4400x2 also remember in june theres going to be a price drop so i would def. wait a couple weeks to see what happens iam running an ATI card(per my sig) also with a Asus board with NO problems
Tokijin ,arent you glad you joined us great thread here huh ,best thread at aD
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13. May 2006 @ 20:16 |
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Exactly which of the AMD processors are you claiming runs hot? Each series has its own merits and faults. The Barton Core did run a little warm, about the same as a P4 Northwood, but the Prescott out cooks them both. The current AMD's idle at between 28 to 35 degrees Celsius at stock speeds. My Opteron even doing a batch encode with CCE never exceeds 49 degrees Celsius under full load and it's over clocked by almost 500 Mhz. If your claim of repairing computers is truthful, then you have to know that everything that you just posted is wrong which means that it was meant to inflame. Now if that's not true then here is the conundrum, no genuinely experienced person could make that claim which can only mean that you're not genuinely experienced.
Why not join the group on a mission of discovery and find out what the real truth is, and when you've become genuinely experienced, then see if you can make that same claim.:)
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13. May 2006 @ 20:45 |
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You are 100% correct,the Barton is by far the warmest running cpu from Amd that I have used to date.It is currently residing in my wife's system.To keep the temps reasonable (35-45c) I am using the Thermaltake Polo.It sounds like a Cessna but does the job!
My 3800 x 2 on the other hand is overclocked by 20% and has yet to exceed 40c with stock cooling.
Perhaps the Bartons are only Amd processors our new friend has had experience with,though I doubt that is the case.
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13. May 2006 @ 20:55 |
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Brobear,
Unfortunately, those links are too old. I read about it when I was reading reviews back before I bought the 9500. All were either dropped a short distance or sat upright in the back of a car. I guess they never realized how much leverage is in a cooler that big. You just have to be carefull!
I once repaired a computer where the CPU cooler pulled the CPU out of the socket and proceeded to swing all over the place attached by the power lead. Flattened most of the pins. I was able to make it work but it took a little bit of time.
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13. May 2006 @ 22:00 |
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LOL I don't think I'd want to ride with the person who broke the mobo setting on the car seat, even if not taking the precaution of setting it on its side. That must have been one bouncy ride.
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A custom builder can take that money and build a better system, especially one who is in business so he can get components wholesale. I could beat a 4200 system with retail prices at $1250. A person can get all the parts that make up that PC at Newegg for about $885 with the exception of the power supply, that goes for about $80. Building the system oneself, they can have the exact same system for about $285 less than what that one is selling for on eBay. I could use some of my present equipment and just spring for a mobo, CPU, and video card and blow that PC away for about $700. If I spent $1250, I could build a "dream" machine.
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13. May 2006 @ 22:09 |
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I think bobsatguy is talking about Off the shelf computers. Both Amd and intel chips in that genre are way undercooled. and most of those consumers have no idea about cleaning the dust from there system.
By the time he gets them they are so cooked. But that seems like an opertunity to offer custom builds to these people and make them more aware of what is really needed...i.e.... slow computer/ defrag!
Upgrade your memory!
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13. May 2006 @ 22:24 |
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Probably. I've popped open a few old PCs that had never been cleaned to find the dust glued to the surfaces, the cooling fins of the heatsink, and clogging the cooling fan and CPU fan, even in the video card fan. Some optical drives weren't working properly either. That problem didn't seem to be CPU specific though. The tar in cigarette smoke acts like glue. Just dust and a little compressed air will clean out even the worst of it. I just cleaned the dust out of an old P2 system and it wasn't very dusty at all considering the years it probably hadn't been cleaned.
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13. May 2006 @ 22:27 |
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brobear
and a lot of times the cpu fan is so clogged or has even stopped working alltogether.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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13. May 2006 @ 22:31 |
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Sounds like you've been there. Some people totally neglect and abuse the equipment. ;) Some just don't know any better.
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13. May 2006 @ 22:51 |
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I know of at least five of my friends/co-workers who smoke,have pets etc..that have never even opened their computer's case let alone clean it internally, and yes two of the units that were brought to me to look at had cpu fans siezed in place and needed replacing one of them needed a new cpu.
So,I am more inclined to believe they just don't know any better.
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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bobsatguy
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13. May 2006 @ 22:53 |
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I am talking store bought or dell's, 98% of my cust's have them, some are gamer's, not many.
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13. May 2006 @ 22:56 |
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That would certainly explain your bad experiences...those units are overstuffed and under ventilated!
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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13. May 2006 @ 22:59 |
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I think I may advertise::: Clean you pc only $25.99+tax Or I love the comercial for the GEEK Squad.98% of the time...they say oh; we need to restore you system. Heck I'd do that for almost free. Humm maybe a sidline job here after all!
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13. May 2006 @ 23:02 |
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One of the fellows I was speaking of previously took his to the Geek squad,They charged him $65.00 to clean it and tell him he could use more ram.
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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13. May 2006 @ 23:03 |
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bobsatguy
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I am talking store bought or dell's, 98% of my cust's have them, some are gamer's, not many
Are you sure you're a professional? Even I know that Dell has never built an AMD system. Dell only recently started selling boxed AMD processors through the Dell outlets. Store bought AMD systems I can believe.
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13. May 2006 @ 23:15 |
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I know this may be out of thread, But if anyone has or knows where I can get a power supply for a hp pavaillion 743g (it is a short one because of of the small case) please lot me know! thanks.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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13. May 2006 @ 23:15 |
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A bunch of us here might laugh at paying $65 to have our PC dusted and have the system specs reviewed. But for people without a clue, that may not be such a bad deal. Many shops have a 1 hour minimum with prices near $70-$80 an hour. Go to school and get the papers and the business gets to charge the big bucks. A certified tech can make a killing if he has good traffic. There's still a lot of people afraid to open the case and only know how to use simple apps, but they have to have the email and be able to surf the net. How often do you see "need more RAM" suggested on AD. Common problem, but you'd be amazed at how many people don't know.
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13. May 2006 @ 23:22 |
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brobear
do you need a licence or a certificate to upgrade, clean, or reinstall the os?
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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13. May 2006 @ 23:26 |
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13. May 2006 @ 23:31 |
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do you need a licence or a certificate to upgrade, clean, or reinstall the os?
Not if it's yours or your buddy's, but if something falls off or something goes wrong (your fault or not) it sure would help if you get sued. There are those who will take you to small claims for a few hundred dollars. Guess who the court will favor if you can't prove you're qualified to be doing the work. Besides what you charge, you can be sued for damages. Not a likely scenario, but it could happen. The common resolution would be for you to fix the problem if they trust you and if not you pay for it at another shop. Just hope a CPU, mobo, or video card doesn't head south while in your hands.
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13. May 2006 @ 23:55 |
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BROBEAR
thanks for the link.. The geek squad wanted 120. to replace his ps.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
LG 20.1 FLATRON WIDESCREEN/BFG 6800 ultra@450 mgz/2 wd raptor 150 raid/Ultra 500 watt Direct connet ps
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13. May 2006 @ 23:57 |
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p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
LG 20.1 FLATRON WIDESCREEN/BFG 6800 ultra@450 mgz/2 wd raptor 150 raid/Ultra 500 watt Direct connet ps
NZXT GUARDIAN CASE(BLUE)
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13. May 2006 @ 23:59 |
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Huge profit margin, even if the tech gets paid well. ;)
AMD has the AM2 and Intel has the Conroe. Wonder whose vapors will condense first? ;)
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