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CColtManM
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7. February 2006 @ 14:09 |
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I downloaded the first Battlestar Gallactica video that was ripped from a HD-TV episode. The resolution is 960 x 528 which is fantastic because my GF has a high definiton tv to watch it on.
But every time i try decoding and burning it to a dvd is puts it into 780x480 the "standard" NTSC format. I want to bump it up but no program is letting me, any ideas?
All good things must come to an end... Nothing in this world lasts forever... -- On a wall in Pompeii
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sytyguy
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8. February 2006 @ 06:57 |
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I cannot help you, but what software are you using to decode and burn?
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Rich
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brobear
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8. February 2006 @ 08:50 |
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CColtManM
There's a good reason why you're finding it difficult to get HD quality from a DVD. I'll not try to get into HD and what you're getting for most current HD broadcasts. But back to the reason; DVDs simply do not have the storage capacity to store the data necessary for a HD movie, including the high capacity DL format. That's what the new Blue Ray and HD DVD formats are all about. That's not even getting into the relevant topic sytyguy brought up, software (not to mention hardware).
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sytyguy
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8. February 2006 @ 09:38 |
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Actually, I know of people that are copying HD content that they have recorded to their HD Tivos, or from QAM and OTA tuners, and then burn it to DL discs. Unfortunately, it takes about 8GB/hour, and I do not know what software they use, but I have seen screenshots of some of their movies, which are quite spectualar.
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Rich
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brobear
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8. February 2006 @ 10:27 |
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sytyguy
Take a look to the hardware in use and you'll notice the better systems are using hard drives for recording and replay. At 8GB per hr, you're not going to get a good HD quality replay. DVD as it is now just doesn't have the capacity for movie length content in HD. As I mentioned, what do you think the Blu-ray and HD DVD development is all about? I'm not saying they can't get a good picture. However, it won't be true high definition.
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sytyguy
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8. February 2006 @ 15:23 |
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Actually, I was talking about HDD recording, although I didn't exactly mention it, I.E., the HR10-250 Tivo, of course, uses a HD. When I mentioned OTA, and QAM tuners, I meant tuner cards (PCI, USB), which, of course, record to the HDD. As far as software, most of these tuner cards come with software to convert to DVD format, and from what it appears the picture is in HD from what I read on the Avsforum.com. So one could burn an hour show to a DL disc, and no compressing, so it should be perfect, from what I read.
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Rich
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brobear
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8. February 2006 @ 15:45 |
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I guess you and the guys from Avsforum.com know more than the developers of Blu-ray and HDDVD and the movie studios that are awaiting the new technology for releasing the factory HD movies.
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I cannot help you, but what software are you using to decode and burn?
For the guy who didn't know a lot, you're well versed in what guys at Avsforum had to say. How about the link to their material so we can give it a look see? As I said, they may be getting a good picture, but I doubt they're getting true HD movies on a DVD. I suppose a person could break the content up into multiple DLs.
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sytyguy
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8. February 2006 @ 17:50 |
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brobear,
Hey, I am not trying to argue with, because I have no real experience with this software/hardware, although I am leaning toward it, but I am reading people's experiences with this technology. I had closed those websites, but I will find them later, and report. But, you can do your own seach on the "Home Theater Computer forums".
And yes, I agree, Blu-ray and HD-DVD is the answer, but it will be a couple of years, probably, that WE can afford those discs, and BluRay may not be able to play on most standalone DVD players, from what I have read. The last I heard is, HD-DVD will be backward supported, but that could change, and maybe has already.
Anyway, best regards as always,
Rich
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 00:11 |
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I'm not trying to argue with you either. You're right about the HD-DVD, it is the backward compatible technology (and the one I'd like to see go mainstream). But the jury still appears to be out on whether we get Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. With nearly 15GB per layer, HD-DVD is obviously the choice over the current technology for use with HD video. Just look at the difference between DVD9 and 5 for the current content. As you pointed out, the DL layer discs can hold about one hour of HD recorded content. For most movies, that would entail 2 DL discs to get the entire content. Unless someone is getting their DLs real cheap, regular movies over 60 minutes are running $15 or so. That's a good reason for hard drive based sytems for recording and playback of high defintion video.
It will be interesting to see what the media and hardware costs will be for the new technology. If not over twice the price of DL, an HD-DVD would make sense for doing most HD movie backups. For anything over 60 minutes, DL requires a forced intermission for the disc change and the user is paying for 2 discs (even if it only takes a few more minutes). At about 15GB per layer, the HD-DVD has an obvious advantage, a person could get the movie, extras, and still have space.
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 00:26 |
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Just think if we wanted to put today's movies on a backwardly compatible HD-DVD disc. We could do original movies and remakes, and sequels stored to the same disc. Just think of the sitcom series and movies by an outstanding actor. That's along the lines of what people are doing now by putting multiple works on a DL with no compression. That's good for the shorter classics and serials from sitcoms, but we still can't get 2 blockbuster movies on the same DL without compression.
Guess I got a bit off track, but the new technology looks interesting. My hopes are the prices aren't too high. I've gotten used to the relatively inexpensive DVDs we're using today.
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sytyguy
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9. February 2006 @ 04:53 |
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It is sort of going to be exciting times, however, with the 2 formats, it could also be a mess, and expensive. Are DVD distributors going to have two formats to distribute, that alone will raise prices for rentals and purchases. DVD players and burners, are they going to be able to handle both formats, probably not.....and more expense for the consumer. Like they have said in the media, this is going to be the Beta vs VHS battle, and how do you pick whose going to be the winner. It appears that HD-DVD will be less expensive, and of course backward compatible, so that would be my first choice, but who knows?
Anyway, my current goals, since it will be awhile before the prices for either of these two formats to be reasonably priced, is too start using the DL discs to burn HD content on some of my favorite series, like 24, Lost, Desperate House Wifes, and several others. Currently, I purchase these series as soon as they come out, and then make backups....costly to say the least, so I am believing that recording them in HD, and burning them to DL will be cost effective, and wonderful viewing. Oh, and no compression, plus I will edit all the commercials out, voila, a perfect movie.
So that's my story, and I am sticking to it, lol.
Have a great one,
Rich
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 05:16 |
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Like you said, pricey. I think I'll stick to the old tech on DVD backups for a while longer.
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CColtManM
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18. February 2006 @ 10:42 |
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Well, like my first post says, that resolution is high but not super hd like you guys might be saying. The 960 x 528 which is what this show is in... how would i put it to a dvd at that res to see how long of the show can fit?
I basically use Nero Vision 4.
All good things must come to an end... Nothing in this world lasts forever... -- On a wall in Pompeii
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sytyguy
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18. February 2006 @ 10:59 |
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brobear
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18. February 2006 @ 10:59 |
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The DVD format isn't what will effect your eventual outcome. Remember, the HD recorders are putting HD on DVD. The rate is something like 1 hr to an 8.5GB DL disc. It's the size of your files and the media you'll be recording to. Compression is where you will do the damage to the files. Recording to DL gives you 8.5GB to work with before compressing. DVD5 only gives you 4.37GB. An encoder is better for doing any compression needed, such as RB/CCE. Transcoding works with less quality, depending on the compression levels. There are some transcoders that work well with lower compression requirements. If you want to keep the original quality when you go over the size of the target media, you may want to record to multiple discs.
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sytyguy
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18. February 2006 @ 11:05 |
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brobear,
Good point, I realized I had forgotten to mention that little issue, and I was just going to suggest that after I finished my sandwich.
Good going, I was hoping you wouldn't beat me to the punch, but when one has the fastest fingers.........lol
Best regards,
Rich
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brobear
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18. February 2006 @ 11:09 |
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LOL I was just coming off my sandwich break. ;)
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18. February 2006 @ 11:10 |
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ive downloaded a few of these hd vids myself. even though u cant convert to hd, the picture is excellent. i would recomend them to anyone, they are alot better than most of the AVI files out there, and most of them have 5:1 sound too.
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sytyguy
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18. February 2006 @ 11:20 |
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gamename,
What software do you use? I just ordered the MyHD MDP-130 with daughter card, so hopefully by next week sometime, I will be recording HDTV via cable, and then burning to a DVD.
TIA,
Rich
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18. February 2006 @ 11:37 |
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like i said i cant convert to hd but i use nero7 to convert, then burn to dl disk or save the file and run through recode or shrink. if u have the time u can also use the film machine, it uses CCE to encode. i think u can still get it(thefilmmachine) at filepedia.heres a guide for the film machine and CCE.....http://jeffba.xpg.com.br/english/tutosvcd.html
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sytyguy
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18. February 2006 @ 12:06 |
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gamename,
I will give it a try, although it looks like way to much converting. The software I mentioned above is a one step procedure, outside of burning/editing the output.
The files you convert, do they start out as .ts. or .tp files?
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Rich
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brobear
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18. February 2006 @ 14:39 |
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Rebuilder is the best app I've seen for encoding DVD files with CCE. It's available at http://www.dvd-rb.com . There is an individual forum for it here at AD. It has an installer, so a novice has no problem installing it. It can be had in a freeware version or as a donation app (Pro version). Conversion has to be done before using the software though. The only conversion being done is from the original files to DVD compliant files. The rest is just processing for recording.
I'd suggest the NV4 from Nero 7 or the ConvertXToDVD for conversion and write the converted files to the HDD. Then use RB/CCE to encode if you need to compress to fit to DVD5.
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sytyguy
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18. February 2006 @ 17:20 |
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brobear my friend,
I do not understand, I do have RB Pro version, but please explain what do you mean in regards to your post? The current subject as I know it is, converting a .ts or .tp file to DVD format? RB, if necessary would come in much later in the equation, as I see it, or is that what you are saying?
Actually, when I do this, I will burn to DL discs, and for the most part they should fit, after editing.
Best regards,
Rich
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brobear
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18. February 2006 @ 17:30 |
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I was answering in response to gamename's post on using apps with CCE. He wasn't sure of film machine. I've seen both it and RB. RB is currently a forum supported app here at AD and enjoys constant support and updating by its developer jdobbs. I'm aware that it comes as a support app following conversion. I thought it was obvious from the post; convert and then encode if necessary.
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... The only conversion being done is from the original files to DVD compliant files. The rest is just processing for recording.
I'd suggest the NV4 from Nero 7 or the ConvertXToDVD for conversion and write the converted files to the HDD. Then use RB/CCE to encode if you need to compress to fit to DVD5.
It should go without saying one can process the converted files from the HDD any way necessary.
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18. February 2006 @ 17:33 |
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hey man,
i'd say thats definalty the software you are using. Try a different DVD maker.
yoyoma,
j
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