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Fight Night Round 3
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Matisto
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28. February 2006 @ 01:18 |
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mmmm i see mediacache? :s
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28. February 2006 @ 01:25 |
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Well I do believe we've located the problem. No name media can't be good. I bet it's made in India or Singpore or something. Anyway get some Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim's. That should resolve the problem.
86. Q. Where can I find good deals on legit Taiyo Yuden's and Verbatim's?
A. http://www.supermediastore.com
Great List of Merchants locally, online, in the U.K., etc:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/buyerguides/buymedia.htm
106. Q. Where I can find top notch Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim media locally?
A. This is somewhat of a crap shoot. Big manufacturer's like Fuji, Sony, and Maxell have at one point past or present payed Taiyo Yuden to manufacture media for them. The big companies slap their name on the label even though the discs were manufactured in Japan by Taiyo Yuden. These discs will always be made in Japan. Authentic TY media isn't made anywhere else. Even if it says Made in Japan on the label, there is no gauruntee of getting authentic Taiyo Yuden media. You could still end up with Sony or Fuji media codes. Hence why I said this is a crap shoot. Places like Comp USA, Office Depot, Sam's Club, and Staples will carry Made In Japan branded discs. Again there is no way to know for sure from the package whether these are authentic Taiyo Yuden's. If you don't want to risk getting non TY discs, you can find 50 packs of Verbatim in the afore mentioned chain stores. One other alternative is the Made in Japan High Grade Maxell DVD+R's. They will say Made in Japan on the label and "High Grade" as well. These are excellent media. Remember when using DVD+R's, it's best you have a burner that supports booktyping/bitsetting, and a v.4 PS2 or later. Much thanks goes to kivory666 aka "docTY" for this information. He is indeed the Taiyo Yuden master. The best place to get authentic Taiyo Yuden media is from reputable online vendors like http://www.supermediastore.com http://www.rima.com http://www.meritline.com or http://www.newegg.com
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Decon954
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28. February 2006 @ 14:51 |
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Try burning it at a faster speed
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28. February 2006 @ 20:42 |
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That could be an issue, but he's got to ditch the God awful media first. That's the most likely solution to produce quick results.
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Matisto
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28. February 2006 @ 23:32 |
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yes i solved it :) i just burned it with 8 x and now it works faster no hangs on loading screen ty
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johnny23
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28. February 2006 @ 23:38 |
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what do i need to play this game on a PAL PS2. I have a NTSC compatible TV and use Swap magic 3.6
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1. March 2006 @ 05:40 |
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I think you are missleading people;
To say it short: Verbatim themselves do not manufacture DVDs. Verbatim is a brand and ask a few manufacturers to provide them with DVDs.
AS far as I know:
Verbatim "Made in Japan" are Taiyo Yuden.
Verbatim "Made in Singapur" are Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation (Mitsubishi owns Verbatim).
Verbatim "Made in Taiwan" are CMC Magnetics.
Verbatim "Made in India" are Maer Boser India.
The quality of DVDs on my list decrease, so Taiyo Yuden are far better than Maer Boser.
Anyway, Verbatim, as a brand, are DVDs to trust. Even if they are CMC MAG, or Maer Boser, you can trust the DVD is ok (at least a high percentage of them wont become coasters).
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1. March 2006 @ 05:50 |
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A. That's old news. B. How am I misleading people? I never said Verb makes their own media. Btw they don't outsource to CMC Mag anymore. All verb's are back to high quality MCC dyes. There may be some CMC Mag Verb's still floating around from a couple years ago, but all current verbs should code as MCC or MKM (Dual Layer). C. Very few manufacturers make their own media, Sony and TY being the exception. MIT Sony's are made by Sony, MIJ Sony's are TY. The Verb TY's aren't available in the U.S. You can get them in Japan, the UK, and other places. Big manufacturers like Maxell, TDK, Phillips, and Memorex outsource their DVD's to Ritek/Ricoh/CMC Mag or god know's what. So again how am I misleading people? If it's an in depth media debate you want, bring it on. Cheers!
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7. March 2006 @ 05:57 |
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> How am I misleading people?
With sentences like these ones:
"You will only get away with this on quality media like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim,
not crap media like CMC Mag."
For sure CMC Magnetics isnt the best manufacturer out there, but they produce DVDs
for a lot of brands, including Verbatim, and in the end Verbatim is the one who set
the quality controls to be sure the media is sold under its brand is good enough.
Not to mention CMCMag is the 2nd DVD producer of the world, right after Ritek.
"The Media ID of a DVD is the true measure of it's quality"
Not for sure!!! For two reasons:
1. Media are faked easily (there are hundreds of fakes out there).
2. Two media with the same ID gives DIFFERENT results!!! For example: RitekG04,
Ritek Purple Branded disc are marvellous (some of the best DVDs I've tested),
but RitekG04 coming from Ridisc, or Ridata are far from Purple's quality.
"No name media can't be good. I bet it's made in India or Singpore or something"
What happen with Sinpagur??? Its the only place where TRUE MCC are manufactured!!! To be
sincere, I always search for Verbatim Made in Singapur if Made in Japan is not
avalaible.
> I never said Verb makes their own media. Btw they don't outsource to CMC Mag
> anymore. All verb's are back to high quality MCC dyes. There may be some CMC Mag
> Verb's still floating around from a couple years ago, but all current verbs
> should code as MCC or MKM (Dual Layer). C. Very few manufacturers make their own
Well, You are wrong. In the present we can find these Verbatim products:
1. Verbatim Made In Japan, Media code TY or YUDEN these are genuide Taiyo
Yuden. Though the quality has been decreased on 16x TY media (TYG03 cannot be compared
with MCC04, for example), they are TY, and are nice media.
2. Verbatim Made in Singapur, Media code MCC... there are genuine Mitsubishi stuff, nice
DVDs.
3. Verbatim Made in Taiwan, Media code MCC, manufactured by CMC Magnetics... they are NOT
Mitsubishi, but CMC Mag, with MC changed to MCC.
4. Verbatim Made in China, Media code MCC, manufactured by NOONE KNOWS... There are not clues
of who are producing those discs.
5. Verbatim Made in India, Media code MCC, manufactured by Maer Boser India.
6. Verbatim Made in Taiwan, Media code CMC MAG, manufactured by CMC Mag (Verbatim Pearl White).
> If it's an in depth media debate you want, bring it on. Cheers!
Nope, I cant discuss... As you can see I cannot explain as clear as I want in english... :-)
Regards
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7. March 2006 @ 15:34 |
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You know we get people like you every now and then, people who offer no real help and look to challenge those who do. CMC Mag does not make Verb's anymore. They switched to CMC briefly, but switched back once work got out. Here's an excerpt from this site: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
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Verbatim became infamous by switching from high-quality MCC to ultra-cheap CMC (CMC Magnetics) media, although they have since returned to using MCC.
I'll double check and triple check that to be 100% sure. The best CMC will code out to is Ritek/Ridata. Media ID's can be faked (TYG02 was faked a lot for instance), but most are well known, what isn't faked are the codes on the inner hub of the disc. Legit TYG02 will code as GGxxxxx on the inner hub, where the xxxxx is the batch number. India is home to some of the worst media I've come across like Matrix Media or Staple's brand. Of course Media from big manufacturers will code out differently. Again get I quote from the digitalfaq media guide.
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Companies like Memorex, Fuji and Imation all outsource to media vendors.
You can also add Maxell and TDK to that list. I will talk to some media gurus and see if any of what you said is actually true. I doubt it is. You back your agruments up with out dated info and opinions. I back mine up with logic and sources that can be viewed by all. Furthermore, I'm on these forums daily, and I know first hand
how many problems cheap media causes people. It's by far the number one cause of boot failures with backup movies/games. It's also far and way the number one fix for boot failures. So you can make all the accusations or half assed arguments you want against me. Ask the people who've switched to Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim if they're going back to CMC Mag soon. A flash in the pan poster like you will attract some weak willed people. That's fine. Let the people reading this decide who's logic, empirical evidence, and facts are correct. Cheers!
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7. March 2006 @ 19:29 |
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Verbatim's made in taiwan are made by mitsubishi chemical co not cmc mag. The most rescent verbatim media to be manufactured by cmc mag were their pearl whites and they are now being outsourced to ritek instead. There is currently no verbatim media being made by cmc mag.
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7. March 2006 @ 20:51 |
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You wrote:
> You know we get people like you every now and then, people who offer
> no real help and look to challenge those who do
Sorry, I wont let this to become a personal matter. I was talking about media and then you turned this into a personal thing (Its stupid, I dont know you!!)
I wont continue, but before I go, just a cent: How many factories owe Mitsubishi on Taiwan, China or India??? Ask your guru friends for this. If the response is ZERO, then wonder if those MCC coming from Taiwan are actually Mitsubishi, or have been producing by other manufacturer.
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P.S: All my info, as you should know comes from cdfreaks, cdrlabs, cdrinfo and dvdadvdr among other media webs.
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7. March 2006 @ 21:05 |
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It becomes personal when you tell me I'm wrong and offer no facts to back it up. I talk to people that are Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim fanatics. It's very easy to fact check. Your facts don't add up. At one point, you're correct, CMC Mag did make Verbs. After word of this got out, they switched back to MCC. There are still some CMC Verbs floating around, but they aren't produced anymore. All Verb's nowadays carry the MCC or MKM (Dual Layer) media code. You don't offer any sources or proof that they are. I've quoted internet sources and had knowledgeable people come to my aide. Consider this, even if what you say is true, why should people use CMC Mag over Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim? Give me one good reason. If you order TY's and Verb's online, they're cheaper than CMC Mag. If you can get top notch media cheaper than CMC Mag, why would you use it? So in short, how does your post help anybody? There's no good reason to use CMC Mag over Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim, regardless of where you are in the world, your finacial situation, and what your backing it up. If you have something constructive to add to AD, please do. If not, quit wasting server space.
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7. March 2006 @ 23:21 |
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As I stated before, I wont let this thread to become a personal matter, so please: leave me alone.
To the thread itself: Its true that I have not give any link to back my opinion, but as far as I havent seen any link on the whole thread to back other's opinion, I thought It was not necessary. Now I see I was wrong:
MCC Verbatim manufacturated on Taiwan are not Mitsubishi because they use different serial numbers (appears on the disc surface as someone post on this thread), and those different numbers are concordant with those that use CMC Mag and/or PRODISC.
Yo can check it here:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=744452&postcount=11
Or here:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=122951
corp
P.S: Along with the quality decrement... MCC are better than CMC.
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7. March 2006 @ 23:34 |
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Check the date of those posts.
First one:
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10-11-2004
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I never said that CMC Mag didn't make Verb's, only that they don't anymore. As far as I can tell I'm right. I will leave you alone, I didn't wany any conflict to begin with. You started this by coming here and telling me
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Well, You are wrong.
You've yet to provide any evidence to support that claim. I restate my original question: How am I misleading people? By suggesting that CMC Mag is crap and Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim are superior? They are. That's what all the evidence points to. Look through any of the DVD Forums and check for yourself what the number one reason for coasters/boot failures is. This isn't a fair debate as your evidence is outdated and you don't speak fluent English. It wouldn't be fair if I debated you in your native tongue either. This is now pointless. I will walk away. As I said before, if you can help people, please do. You've clearly got a good knowledge of media. Quit wasting it debating with me, and go help some people in the DVD sections. Cheers!
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8. March 2006 @ 15:43 |
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@corpcd
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I wont continue, but before I go, just a cent: How many factories owe Mitsubishi on Taiwan, China or India??? Ask your guru friends for this. If the response is ZERO, then wonder if those MCC coming from Taiwan are actually Mitsubishi, or have been producing by other manufacturer.
I am no media guru, but I am not blind either. Like docTY says, "Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.".You should've left and kept that one cent of yours. You wanted proof that Mitsubishi has plants in Taiwan/China,India or Singapore, you have it: from Mitsubishi's own site, and the only way you can debate this one is by calling it a very meticulous staged conspiracy, or whatever you might want to think of, a big farse that Mitsubishi is involved in, lying to the whole world about their phantom factories in different countries:
http://www.mitsubishicorp.com/en/network/ao/taiwan.html
http://www.m-kagaku.co.jp/english/monthly_group_company/200503.html
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The key event was the in-house development of AZO dye, which is based on the dye technology we had been working on. AZO dye is a kind of dyestuff used in data recording layers. Because AZO dye is resistant to ultraviolet light and high temperatures over hundreds of hours, products in which AZO dye is used are very durable, highly stable in light, and have excellent storage stability. Such products can keep important stored data stable. Today, we offer a lineup of AZO dye-based products that supports higher speeds and account for as much as 70% of the world's AZO dye market share. We produce stampers1 on which high-precision disc substrates are based using select mastering technologies2 we created through developing MO disks. We developed these basic materials completely in-house and established process and manufacturing technologies through mass-production trials at our plant in Singapore. This business style, in which we transfer our technologies to overseas sites (e.g., considering market trends for productsmanufactured in Singapore and mass-producing them in Taiwan and India), and the development, manufacturing, and sale of discs can be seen as a totally new, unparalleled management approach that only MKM could possibly take.
I am sure you will come up with an argument, like how the dye is made by CMC and the pakage made by Mitsubishi, how Mitsubishi is lying through their teeth about everything making CD/DVD media, about how CMC Mag makes the discs and MCC just puts a nice AZO stamp and sells'em, or whatever nonsense you might come up with(like CMC is the best of all!). I could give a fudsicle, the fact that you said that Mitsubishi owns "ZERO" factories in those countries, proves that you are very uninformed, and have no base for your statement, and just take for granted some outdated info you might find on some sites. If you further require more proof(like you haven't had enought from other AD members, goodness!), I will find some for you. Right now I am on a dial-up, it takes ages to load a page! I will get back to you when I get home tomorrow evening! It is okay to do whatever you want, buy all the CMCs that you desire, but don't call names people that are actually trying to help!
Cheers!
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8. March 2006 @ 21:35 |
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Well, this is becoming stupid.
When replying my messages, PLEASE read it twice before you press the "REPLY" button, think if you are debating, and not acusing, and remove any personal thing on the message. THINK TWICE!!
I see that even though I am in clear disadvantage due to language issues, you ***ONLY*** know to debate by discrediting your opponent (its an american problem, I guess...).
To the information you've shown:
http://www.mitsubishicorp.com/en/network/ao/taiwan.html
It is an OFFICE, NOT A FACTORY... I quote my question, just because I think you didnt read a thing of my message: "How many factories own Mitsubishi on Taiwan?"
I didnt ask "How many offices have in Taiwan?" Its obvious that Mitsubishi has offices all around the world...
And to the second appointment, I quote:
"in which we transfer our technologies to overseas sites"
I see this as a clear proof that Mitsubishi themselves DOES not manufacturates in Taiwan, but "transfer its technologies"... sure, discs manufactured by CMC Mag on Taiwan for Mitsubishi are MCC in the end!!!, but manufactured by CMC...
Just as I stated in the begining...
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I see that even though I am in clear disadvantage due to language issues, you ***ONLY*** know to debate by discrediting your opponent (its an american problem, I guess...)
First, I am not American, English is actually my second language, sorry!
Second, I'm obviously wasting my time. If you come and say that all they have is offices, and no factories, when in fact they list a rather large variety of products they manufacture in different plants all over the world,including in the countries you said there were "ZERO" factories, well then, I gotta give it to ya...good job man!
Use whatever media you like, in the prettiest colours you can find, whatever makes you happy! I'm such a fool, wasting all this time, when I could use my last CMCs to play freesbee with my dog right now...
I was wrong, you were right, I appologise and not gonna bother you again!
Salutare!
Piss me off, and I Will ignore You!
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15. March 2006 @ 13:32 |
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I used dvd decreypter to burn this game at 2x but and it plays fine but a quarter of the bottom screen is black is there anyway to fix this problem im using swap magic. the game is PAL.
This usually happens when playing
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18. March 2006 @ 12:40 |
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can you boot this at 4.22gb with swap magic 3.6?
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18. March 2006 @ 14:36 |
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