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lckillah
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2. April 2006 @ 16:19 |
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i wanna get into the pc gaming but the problem is, i don't have a pc computer. i have my basic computer right now which is an hp pavillion with intel celeron processor, 1200mhz, 1.20ghz, and 256 mb ram and windows xp. i am on a budget so i don't wanna spend so much money on this. i already looked at the budget pc thread but is it possible for me to upgrade my pc to be able to play the latest games like F.E.A.R. and world of warcraft? how much would it cost me the least? thanks.
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2. April 2006 @ 16:52 |
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For one, with most factory built PC's, it can be really hard to "upgrade" your system. (they make it that way, so you HAVE to but a new system, not just "upgrade.") All around, if you can assemble your own build.. You're looking at $400 for a semi-decent budget machine, since you won't have to buy a monitor or anything like that, and technically, you can keep your HD(s) if you so choose.
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2. April 2006 @ 17:05 |
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thanks. so what's a good budget pc if i have to buy a new one then?
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2. April 2006 @ 17:52 |
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MOBO and Processor, ABIT UL8 Uli with Athlon 3200+ $189.00
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details....
If you are wanting to play games like F.E.A.R., you can't cheap out on your AGP graphics card. Not saying your "cheaping" out on your MOBO/CPU combo, that's a MASSIVE step up, and it's a good CPU.
I'll give you some different selections with your graphics cards, because, there's about a million out there from $20 to $600.
Starting cheap.
Sapphire 9800SE $75.50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102670
GeForce 6600 $88.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121197
Sapphire X1300 $98.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102673
Powercolor X700 $119.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131307
XFX GeForce 6600GT $132.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150089
Sapphire X800 GTO $169.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102609
eVGA GeForce 7800GS $299.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130274
I know that last one was a big jump in price, but with AGP, the newer cards get kinda expensive. PCI Express is the "new" graphics card technology and soon AGP will be extinct. Makes that MOBO look kinda crummy, but you'll spend more on a PCIx board. Check this one out.
$239.99
Asus A8S-X SiS Socket 939 ATX Motherboard and an AMD Athlon 64 3200+
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details....
But with this board, the graphics card search starts all over again.
search www.newegg.com for GPU's, best selection/price I've found.
If you plan on keeping your HDD's, RAM and optical drives, the only thing you have left to purchase is a case. There's almost as many cases as there are graphics cards, so just look around. You can find a decent case with a PSU for like $60.
But I would suggest at least having 512MBs, 1GB prefferably. RAM can be cheap too, you can get a 1G stick for like $60-70 if you shop around.
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2. April 2006 @ 18:07 |
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2. April 2006 @ 20:00 |
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Mostly, yeah. Except the HD.
If you don't do alot of media storage, then 80G will prob do you fine for a while, but SATA is alot better that IDE.
I looked on Ebay, but it's hard to judge how much your actually going to spend, but I would definately go SATA, all the way. Find a HD with at least an 8MB cache too. The one you're looking at has a 2MB cache.
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2. April 2006 @ 20:03 |
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lckillah
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3. April 2006 @ 04:09 |
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3. April 2006 @ 06:15 |
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You might want to consider buying a CPU and power supply.
Go for the 6600GT GPU
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3. April 2006 @ 08:14 |
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For a start the first board definately does not have a CPU with it.
The second one does, but it's oem which means theres no heatsink/fan with it.
None of the cards you've listed will rock with any of the latest games.
They will play them and they'll play okay in lower settings, but pretty soon will be unable to play games on the horizon without having problems.
HDR is here now, you should be looking for support of that with any new card.
Looking at the advert you showed with the m/b and cpu, you need to take a step back and stop reading the sales crap:
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Sizzling Performance.
ABIT's UL8 Socket 939 Motherboard.
Breakthrough performance is yours with the brilliant new ABIT UL8 motherboard. This sizzling Socket 939 platform is specially built to unleash the awesome might of AMD's Athlon 64, 64FX and 64X2 processors up to 2GHz FSB using Hyper Transport Technology
You need to do some reading before buying or your going to be very dissapointed.
I'm not saying you have to spend a fortune, but having reasonable budget and doing your homework will get you something you'll enjoy rather than being let down by.
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3. April 2006 @ 10:08 |
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@Big
Yeah that link I gave him for the UL8 was OEM, I missed that, the link I gave him for the PCIx board was not. By the way, did you catch he's shipping out in a few months.
The build in my sig costs around 900, that's without a monitor or speakers.
He wanted to go budget, but still play some good games for 4 months. He didn't say when he got back in a year or 2 that he expected it to run brand new games smooth as butter. He just wants to be able to play some games out there now without video processing errors, and failing to meet system requirements.
The X700 that he chose will play most newer games at med quality, and that's all it sounded like he wanted.
@lckillah
BTW here's a link for a different MOBO/CPU combo, with AGP. (retail) $189.00
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details....
Oh and BigDK's right about the case you bought, in the pictures they make it seem like it comes with a Power Supply (PSU), but it does not. You can always buy one seperate from the case and install it, or find a different case with one already installed.
Oh and those Athlon XP Mobile boards you were looking at are not very good at all. They'd be better than your Celeron, but far short of the Athlon 64 your looking at.
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3. April 2006 @ 10:34 |
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BTW way BigDK.
How rich are you?
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Apple's got a Cinema 30" HD, if you wanted to change your sig.
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lckillah
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3. April 2006 @ 11:34 |
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thanks byron02. do you think they have this kind at newegg? i wanna get pretty much everything there cuz of the shipping and everything you know. also you're right about me not expecting the computer to run well in 2 years. obviously i will upgrade this when i get back or during my vacations. but what exactly do i need to build a computer man. thanks a lot for your help bro.
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3. April 2006 @ 12:42 |
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Seems you have problem with my Sig, if it's what I use then I'll post it, sorry it appears to offend you. Looks like the green eyed monster is taking over!
I know the kit I have is expensive, but if I want something I just go and get it, it?s as simple as that, I don't drink or smoke, my PC's are one of my personal luxury items and the cost is only relative to one?s income.
I'm not rich at all, quite well off yes!, I work hard and get paid very well for the work I do, I'm lucky that I'm good at what I do, and I enjoy it.
As for the monitor, I know there?s a bigger one, but the one I have is more than adequate for what I do, if I change it, you can be sure I'll change the Sig.
I also have a pair of Sony SDM-M81's on another machine running in Twinview on another PC spoilt for choice really.
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3. April 2006 @ 13:41 |
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Holy cow, yes I just noticed your signiature too.
Don't go AGP, that's an outdated platform and you won't find many new cards appearing with it. Go for something like an A8N Ultra instead, the reduced cost of the graphics card outweighs the increased cost in buying the better motherboard.
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lckillah
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3. April 2006 @ 15:14 |
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so how much would a decent budget computer that could run doom 3, swat, world of warcraft and f.e.a.r. cost me?
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3. April 2006 @ 15:19 |
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FEAR? Budget computer?
Those don't go together. I have a £1800 ($3500) PC that's on average of all the parts about a year old. It can't run FEAR at all. Still, beside the point, I just don't have enough RAM that's all.
What I'd prescribe for that list is:
Athlon64 3500+
2x Kingston 1GB PC3200 RAM (CAS 2.5)
Asus A8N-E Motherboard
256MB X850XT PCI Express Graphics
160GB Seagate NCQ Barracuda S-ATA 7200rpm 8MB
This lot comes to $700 on newegg plus shipping. These should see you through those games easily.
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3. April 2006 @ 15:24 |
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$3500 and you couldn't run fear? man how should a $700 computer run this then. see the thing is, i am shipping out to be a navy seal soon in about 4 months so i just need like a budget gaming system that's why i am cheaping out lol. also, i just spent like a sh*t load of money on x360 plus all the games and accesories and stuff. so do you think i should just wait like maybe 3 years from now to start building my own or should i go for the $700 budget that you suggested? would it run the games that i listed though? thanks bro
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3. April 2006 @ 16:43 |
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@Sammorris
Do you realize you decribed to him the computer I'm getting, with the exeption of 1G more ram (kingston too) and I'm getting an X2 3800+,
And I changed from the Seagate Barracuda back to the WD Caviar SE16 at the last minute, because of NCQ I was going with Seagate, but WD had said that NCQ on these new SE16 drives actually slowed performance, so they took it off. I didn't believe it at first, but after looking a numerous different reviews/seek times, I finally came back to the WD side.
Oh yeah, I ordered the X850XT of newegg, and I ordered everything else off zipzoomfly. Newegg couldn't beat their prices, some things maybe by a buck or 2, but zipzoomfly has free shipping!
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3. April 2006 @ 19:32 |
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Oh and BigDK,
I wasn't trying to sound "jealous" at all, it's just there seems to be alot of teenage computer wizes like Sammoris here in the PC forums(no offense sammorris, you've been one of the most knowledgeable people in this forum. I've learned alot from reading your posts helping others and myself), and you have a $300 sound card! $350 speaker system for your computer? It just sounded a little fishy that's all. The whole system added up to around 5,000 USD or like 4200 euro, which is where that PSU is made so I assume you're in the UK.
I'm a 22 year old single dad, and the $900 is alot. It just seemed like you had the "best" of everything out there, even "unneccesary" stuff and I could see a kid doing that. But I wasn't trying to be rude about it, I was just making the statement, wow you must be rich. And the Apple thing was just a joke.
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3. April 2006 @ 23:30 |
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Okay no problem! and yes I,m in the UK.
I'm 38 and pretty much at the top level of what I do, so I do have a high proportion of expendable income (luckily).
Yes I do tend to go for what I consider the best, but a lot of what I have has been moved from one machine to another over time like the cooler, and all the older gear gets sold on to pay towards it.
I was planning on getting new AM2 system when its out in June, but I'll not bother posting it if I do.
I don't try and boast or brag, it's not worth it, but I believe that my Sig at least shows that I know where I'm coming from on any advise I give.
There isn't much kit that I haven't had in some system at some point, and I know it's probably some sort of compulsive disorder making me keep buying kit, but I just enjoy building PC's, I've got 3 more systems running at home as well, 2 for the kids and 1 I tinker with for overclocking and downloading.
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AM2 eh? That'll be an FX-62 then lol
Despite one having been killed, I do support Western Digital since I'm using three of their caviars. The NCQ interface to my knowledge actually does reduced performance with a 16MB cache as there's enough room to store advanced commands anyway.
kkillah, I did say that the main reason why I can't run FEAR is that I don't have enough RAM. This is why I advise 2GB. One just doesn't cut it any more. I did have 1536MB of RAM but in the incident that saw the untimely end of one of my disk drives (Caviar 200 IDE) and the end of one other partition but not the drive, I also lost a stick of RAM.
People, NEVER buy cheap power supplies!
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4. April 2006 @ 08:10 |
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@sammorris
so do you think the list that i listed earlier is enough though? i mean i am still gonna upgrade it in the future but for now i just something to play the latest games cuz i will be leaving in 4 months and plus i am only 18 so i don't really have a lot of $. and also do i have to buy an operating system?
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