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10. August 2006 @ 17:50 |
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theone,
I'm assuming thats DDR3200 memory.If it is it's sitting 66mhz above it's rating so it's not all bad!.Try changing the Tras to 8 for slightly better performance.Raising the bank cycle time will give you better stability if Tras 8 causes instability.I notice your memory is on a 9/10 divider,dont forget to lower that as you increase the HTT(FSB).The front side bus speed looks good.Sandra picks up your memory @ 2T as well I noticed.Mines the same but cpuz always gets it right @ 1T.
Keep going it's all good fun!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. August 2006 @ 19:28
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10. August 2006 @ 20:11 |
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crowy,
What I really need to know is what the settings in the setup for the hypertransport mean and do. How do you change the FSB? Why is it different from the Intel way? It appears to me that raising the FSB if thats what I've done, also raises the memory speed while the speed of the processor remains fixed at whatever setting you choose for it.
I'de very much appreciate it if you could explain it to me. Just remember that I don't know anything about how AMD manages their memory settings and speeds or thier cpu speeds. This is for my future knowlege as this build (???) assembly or whatever you want to call it, is done!
BTW, I just spent the last couple of hours recovering files from a hard drive that the bios wouldn't see. Got a little trick that could help. You may know it already but maybe it will help someone else too! Since this is a Primary Master, you address it as a slave. About 75% of the time it will address in the bios and you can burn the hard files to data DVDs. Be warned!!! Some computers do not like seeing 2 seperate active partitions. I re-boot after every Data DVD is finished to get it back to normal. You could even do a backup but I prefer recovering the hard files as you can read the disks on any DVD on any computer. That may not be the case with a backup from one machine to another.
Happy Computering and Thanks,
theone
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crowy
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10. August 2006 @ 21:28 |
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theone,
Remember the athlon 64's and also the Opterons have an onboard memory controller so communicating with the controller that organizes the stream of information is done on the processor.This in effect reduces the amount of computing cycles lost while waiting for the memory to respond.(IE: a shorter path to travel).Thats why there is no Northbridge on your mainboard like the intel's have.In your bios do you see 1000,800,600,400,200
Or do you see 5x,4x,3x,2x,1x LDT/FSB frequency ratio?There the same thing(5x=1000)(4x=800)Etc. 200HTT/FSB x 5 = 1000 x 2(DDR) = 2000Mhz LDT speed.So if you drop the LDT to 4(or 800)the equation is 200HTT/FSB x 4 = 800 x 2(DDR) = 1600Mhz LDT speed.If you raise the HTT/FSB to 250 the equation would look like this 250HTT/FSB x 5 =1250 x 2(DDR) =2500Mhz LDT speed(might work but won't be stable,thats why the LDT/FSB ratio needs to be set back to 4 to keep it at 2000.As you raise your FSB bus frequency your memory speed will increase as well.If your cpu is stock at 2000mhz and the multiplier is locked at 10 the FSB frequency will be at 200.The LDT/FSB frequency will default to 5x.(5x200=1000 x2DDR =2000)Now your FSB frequency sitting at 200 results in your memory at DDR400(200x2)Raise your FSB to say 250 sends your cpu to 2500mhz(250x10 cpu/fsb multiplier)and your memory to DDR500(250x2)Change the LDT/FSB multiplier to 4x(or 800) brings you back to 2000mhz LDT speed but your cpu will still be at 2500mhz and your memory will still be at DDR 500.So Put the memory on a 166mhz/250mhz divider and your memory will be back to just over 208mhz x 2 =DDR416.Now I have a headache!!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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crowy
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10. August 2006 @ 21:39 |
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Nearly forgot.Another thing to do is set the faulty master drive as a slave and have another master drive with the o.s on it.Plug them both in and copy whats needed to the master drive then backup to dvd.I know what you mean about pc's not liking 2 active partitions.My first ever attempt at partitiong a drive resulted in clearing partitions, reformat, and reinstall(windows 98se).
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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10. August 2006 @ 21:45 |
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Crowy!
I'm correcting you.
It's not been altered, it's a straight capture using Snagit!.
P.S. personally speaking you're wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!
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10. August 2006 @ 21:54 |
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crowy,
One quick question. What does the LDT stand for in LDT Speed? That's the only part I didn't understand.
Thanking you once again man! I owe you!
Happy Computering,
theone
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crowy
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10. August 2006 @ 22:13 |
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BigDK,
I wasn't doubting your integrity but it doesn't look right?
If thats how snagit captured the screen then fine.
My apologies.
This is what mine looks like:
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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10. August 2006 @ 22:17 |
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theone,
LDT=Lightning Data Transport.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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10. August 2006 @ 22:34 |
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Sorry for calling you wonderful, its early here.
I haven't got a clue what those lines are, when I get back this evening, I'll have another look at the capture and do another one and see if its the same.
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11. August 2006 @ 00:41 |
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Crowy: You're the only one with one because we prefer Asus. Well done on the HT explanation though, better than I could have done it.
BigDK: Would Americans understand your insult?
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11. August 2006 @ 00:52 |
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sammorris,
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You're the only one with one because we prefer Asus.
LOL!!Thats fine sam,they're both good.I'll be interested to see the new conroe chips tested on the Asus and DFI boards in the future.Should be some outstanding results.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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11. August 2006 @ 00:53 |
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Absolutely. I don't suppose you know why the P5WD-H Deluxe overclocks conroes so much better than any other board? Apparently an E6600 (2.4Ghz) will make 3.5Ghz on a normal board and 4Ghz on a P5WDH-D.
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crowy
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11. August 2006 @ 01:03 |
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sammorris,
I would say it's probably the design of the board.Maybe a few extra resistors here and there to add to stability and shorter traces linking components together.That's only a guess I could be totally wrong but thats the reason the DFI expert board is slightly better than the DFI Lanparty ultra-D.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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11. August 2006 @ 01:06 |
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Slightly better, of course, but an extra 500mhz? Seems unlikely...
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crowy
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11. August 2006 @ 01:17 |
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sammorris,
Maybe better quality components as well.
Also remember all cpu's are not created equal and memory chips come into play as well.Then there's the psu.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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11. August 2006 @ 01:19 |
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Yeah, of course they're all factors and I've seen them all affect how successful someone's OC is, but the OC achieved with that board on the E6600 is just phenomenal compared to what it is with any other boards, including other Asus boards...
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11. August 2006 @ 07:20 |
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11. August 2006 @ 07:23 |
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How strange. I've just noticed the system in your signiature, and you are a VERY lucky person to have that!
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11. August 2006 @ 11:43 |
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BigDK: Would Americans understand the insult edited again?
Very much so, it seems to be my middle name lately...
Hows about " you just to be safe...!!!"
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11. August 2006 @ 12:51 |
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BigDK, edit your 11. August 2006 @ 01:45 post!! same goes for others who copied that word!! any flames & i'll flame your butt off this site, understand!!?
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11. August 2006 @ 12:56 |
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crowy,
I printed all that out so I can refrence it down the road. Thank you very much for the effort as it's greatly appreciated and will be very useful in the not too distant future. I can't honestly say that I know it all, but at least I have a much better understanding of how it all works and why.
Sincerely,
theone
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11. August 2006 @ 14:10 |
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crowy,
I just discovered that the CPU is not a Clawhammer, it's a San Diego! It's right there in my CPUz. Needless to say I called Tiger Direct right away as the Clawhammer is a much better CPU with twice the on-chip cache. The numbers should be a lot better when I get it replaced. It says Clawhammer right on the package.
The moral to all of this is to always run CPUz and make sure you get what you pay for!
Happy Computering,
theone
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11. August 2006 @ 14:21 |
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Yeah come on guys, this thread is no place for language like that, late or not. BigDK, you know better, and Deadrum33, don't give him ammunition, we don't want him to start calling more names! I'm still a delusional twerp in his books!
Is that so, Russ? I thought the San Diego was better than the Clawhammer! I obviously thought wrong. Bet you're glad you checked!
DDP: Edited. What was I thinking quoting it??? I've no excuse, and it being late isn't really much of an excuse either. That word doesn't belong at aD, I apologise, and I expect Deadrum and BigDK will too.
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11. August 2006 @ 15:52 |
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sammorris,
The Clawhammer has 1MB of L2 cache and the stepping is different. I just got off the phone with Tiger Direct and they are going to send me another CPU to check. If it turns out to be another San Diego, they will replace it with this.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details....
Care to guess what I'm hoping for!! I'm fortunate that because it says Clawhammer on the invoice and it says Clawhammer on the CPU package, they are obligated to give me a CPU with the i MB cache, and the 4000+ San Diego is the only one they have that does!
Happy Computering,
theone
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12. August 2006 @ 01:21 |
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theone,
No worries,glad I could help.
Good luck with the 4000+.
Been at work al day and have to work again tommorrow:(
BigDK,
No worries about the captures,don't no why they come out that like either!27secs is excellent for 1M.The best Iv'e got from this x2 3800 is 30 secs running at 2950 mhz,but it's not stable at that speed.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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