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Where did you see a bench, post a link or give the source, where a 940 could beat a dual core AMD with HT on the benches, much less a Conroe?
I didn't even think to get a link. I was too busy LMAO to even think about it. I wasn't presenting it here as a claim (I'm not that nuts!) but just making a point of all the BS out there when it comes to benchmarks. Very few Forums are as honest as we are here. I suspect that's because some of the more knowlegable and respected members here would have them for breakfast with claims like that!! LOL!!!
I hope you didn't think that I actually believed it!!!ROFL!!! Maybe.... if you filled the whole case with liquid nitrogen like the one they filled with oil!!LOL!! Better yet, how bout oil and liquid nitrogen. The fans could stir up a lot of bubbles and with the LEDs it would look cool (pun intended)?? Strike that!! Bubbles don't transfer heat very well! LOL!!! I better quit before I do myself some harm laughing!
Happy Holidays and Ho Ho HO (pun intended)
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21. December 2006 @ 14:29 |
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... if you filled the whole case with liquid nitrogen like the one they filled with oil!!
Note even then, not with a Netburst processor. It would get freezer burn and die. You're right, some of those benchracing claims are funny.
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I suspect that's because some of the more knowlegable and respected members here would have them for breakfast with claims like that!
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You honkin your own yule tide horn?
Nope!! With my memory, I'm lucky that I know anything! There are some "folks" here who would take you over the river and through the woodshed!
If you mean the tree? Guilty!!! LOL!!!
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There are some "folks" here who would take you over the river and through the woodshed!
Honken again? They might, but with you not knowing what I know, you wouldn't know who would you? ;)
I'll let you in on what isn't a secret. I can build my own PCs. I know my way around the BIOS with both AMD and Intel platforms. I can OC and tweak a system to get the most out of it, without frying the parts. I know what's important about a motherboard and I can choose a good case for venting and PSU with 2 or 3 rails and big enough to carry the load. I try to stay up to date so I know what is happening with the processors.
Here's something I haven't noticed anyone point out or maybe I missed it. Excuse me for repeating if I do. 512MB sticks of RAM are faster than 1GB. Programming benefits from more RAM. If you want to do better with benching use the smaller sticks. For work like video encoding use the larger. In the real world it don't make that much difference, you want good RAM and enough to run the system right. Even using the right thermal compound makes a difference. That should let you know I know something about OCing a PC. The other part of it is selecting the right parts to work best together and taking the time to do it right. The first settings can be done fast, but to fine tune takes a while. Burn in time and then running tests, using the system, and rebooting each time you want in the BIOS.
CPUs are funny, if you don't get one from the same batch, one from the same model can be different and OC better or worse. You all know those programs that let you OC in the OS don't do the job like doing it manual.
Don't let the "Newbie" fool you. I'm not a "Newb" with PCs. I realize I still got a lot to learn. I'm on vacation and have time to kill, so I thought I'd check out some forums. I saw the Intel vs AMD threads and thought I'd look them over. So far it's a rehash of what you find most places. Everybody waiting for something new. The threads read like a bad history lesson with people bragging on their PC and knocking the other guy. More attitudes than proving true skill and helping. There was the occasional times when a few took time to help somebody, but most of it was "mine is better" or "I know more and you're all wrong". The rest of the material has been chat and disagreeing and butt patting. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The past year in review. AMD lead into the summer, AMD and Intel switched to DDR2, and Conroe took and held the lead from summer till now. AMD has the more refined system with the proven HT. Intel has the "brute" Core 2 Duo with the shared cache. That's the big news. There was GPU development and ATI and AMD merged. That's sort of the lesser news. ATI and nVidia are keeping the rivalry closer than Intel and AMD. Of course the RAM development has been interesting, but other than the change, which happens periodically it was no big deal. It wasn't that long ago we were using PC 133. The whole leap from then to now is a big deal. There's the summary in one paragraph. ;)
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BTW guys that Opteron 185 is 349.00 NOT 414.00
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21. December 2006 @ 22:41 |
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Depends on where you look. Did you see the TigerDirect ad? TD has it for that price and with shipping it comes to about $363. I didn't see any of the other vendors below $400 and some were $500. Not to worry though, the Tiger is making his money back on the other processors. Note how high above the lowest prices of the Conroes to be found. Either TD got a better deal or they're doing inventory reduction. Grab em while they're hot. ;)
The E6400 can be had for $217 and the E6600 for $308 (retail box, including shipping). Still lower than the Opty 185. The E6400 bests it at OC and the E6600 beats it all around. Everybody should check out PriceGrabber and BizRate for best prices. You may not want to deal with vendors with a low rep.
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yeah thats where i got it Tiger Direct 349.00 plus 12.99 for shipping and NO tax
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[quote]Comparing the fx series Amd to the conroe Is most embarrasing.
That's why the Opteron 185 is such a good deal. It greatly improves the price/performance ratio! FX-60 or better performance for a whole lot less money. It's probibly AMDs best socket 939 CPU! I just hope they keep making them for a while longer. I want one!!!
I guess we are all going to find out what it can do once aabbccdd get's his all sorted out. I want one in the TForce 6100 939 MB as I bet with all the high quality stuff he has, it will OC about 15% to 3.0GHz! I'm betting that it will do the same in the TFource! As an upgrade, when you have all the extras on hand to begin with, it's a nice upgrade for a reasonable price. Of course, if you are starting from scratch then it would make no sense as the Conroe would be the best buy.
Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
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I do not disagree with you. There are so many options as to build a great computer with the older tech. I am only saying that moving into a conroe or the soon to be new Amd, you are going to have to change to the next gen of computer parts..etc.
As far as I am concerened, My p4 still rocks all the games my grandson can play. But That will certainly come to an end really soon.
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TO ALL!!!
INCLUDiNG THEONE...lol
Have a great christmas and a happy new year. And may everyone be safe.
Best wishes to all.
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Honken again? They might, but with you not knowing what I know, you wouldn't know who would you?
Who do? You Do? Know who?
Nah, I'm not like that at all. Just from your posts I can tell that you are a newbie in name only. Especially by some of your answers!
Me, I've been messing with computers for over 20 years. I built over 200 of them in the late 80s to the mid 90s. That was back in the day when build took on a totally different meaning than it does today! Got burned out on them a while back and got rid of them all. Came back to computing in 03. By late 04, everything was changing so fast. We now had dual cores, fast video in SLI. A real Intel vs AMD war. I didn't get into overclocking until I joined AD in 05. I had a Dell 3000 then. I met up with a bunch of folks who really knew thier stuff. I learned quite a bit from them. I sold the Dell to my neighbor and used the money to built my first computer in about 5 years, A socket 478 3.0/800 P4 that I managed to OC 30% to 3.94. Believe me when I say I had lots of help in getting it there. Saddly some of those nice folks are no longer on AD but I still see them on one of the other forums I belong to.
I know you want to know why I built a D-940 instead of an AMD. At the time, everything came along on sale just right and my money was close. In other words it suited my needs and resources at the same time. Eventually I want to do an Opteron 185, again not the highest tech. I don't know zilch about AMDs, at least nothing past the Athlon XP.
I want to learn. The Conroe is going to be around for a while so I want to do the last of the great socket 939s while I still can. I have everything but the MB and CPU without taking my present system apart. I figure I'll build it with what I have and improve on it as time goes by. By the time I'm ready, there will be plenty of inexpensive Conroes available.
By the way, you are right about a lot of forums. And you're right about nothing to talk about. There doesn't seem to be much interest in the Quad-Cores because most of us wouldn't be able to afford it anyway, so why bother. It's hard to get excited over something you can't have, escpecially when the Conroes are so cheap!
I agree with you 100% about the 4 sticks of 512 for 2 GB. Of course I'd rather have 4 sticks of 1GB. TigerDirect has Ultra 1GB PC3200 which is decent memory, on sale for $39 (rebate deal) but you can only buy one per household. If they would make it say 2 for $79 I'd buy a pair and maybe next sale, buy another pair. With the 4 512s it has improved my folding (Folding at Home) in the last couple of weeks since I installed the 2 new sticks of XMS, a good bit.
Anyway, I'm gonna mosey out of here and get some work done. Here's wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year.
Happy Holidays,
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I noticed from other threads and articles from sites such as Tomshardware that some of the better binnings of the Opteron 170 were the best in performance for the money. I don't know if that stepping is still available. The 185 is naturally better at stock, but has a lower overhead for OCing if like the other higher end processors. How far have you gone with yours or do you leave it at stock settings? The good 170s were beating some of the 175s. Even with the superior opterons, it looks like some are better than others. Anybody see that and have any specs on how far an OCed 170 went compared to a OCed 185? Big price difference.
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i OC(ed) it with the Asus Ai Booster to 2.875 GHz and when i was playing Ghost Recon online the game was crashing but my temps were fine. so i put it back to stock and haven't tryed doing anything else.
i really don't know what settings or how to OC it in the BIOs which is the ONLY right way to OC .so if anyone wants to PM me on a step by step guide on how to do it i will give it a shot.thanks
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I was talking about performance RAM for the OCing. C2 with low timing and larger heatspreaders. Plus you only need 1 or 2 for benching.
With building what you call the last of the great 939s, you'll find the job not much different than building the newest of the great Intel processors (or any other for that matter). About the only difference is in the BIOS dealing with the HT. You end up with 2 multipliers instead of just the one with Intel. If not familiar that is tricky, most don't list the HT multiplier as such in the BIOS.
For most midrange AMDs, the multiplier for the clockspeed, when locked at the top, is good to go about 15% OC (without messing with the HT multiplier. You want to stay between 1700 and 2200.) For many you'll find that is where your true stability lies. You can go higher and without testing properly think you're doing good. When testing for errors Prime95 will sometimes show errors when you use the HT multiplier to go faster. There it won't bother most people. You can encode and do a lot of things stable. I had a 2.4GHz AMD processor over 2.8GHz stable except for Prime95 computation errors. It gave a message the software was looking for one figure and the PC was listing another. It's recommend not folding for the different science and medical research projects unless your system can meet the true stability tests (not just not crashing or overheating, but not making computation errors).
What I'm saying is it's not a big deal to build a AMD, unless you want to build one to say you did it. I've done both and unless AMD comes out with something better, I'll build a Core 2 Duo. If money and PC parts were only free. LOL
Here's some info for you and Baltekmi. When you take the DDR RAM you're using in your Intel and put it in an AMD, your timings may be different. Some RAM will boot at C2 in a Intel and C3 in a AMD system. Notice the better 939 setups are using PC3500 or faster with Cas 2 and tight timing. The performance RAM is also better for obvious reasons than the regular RAM. So for the better build, you can keep pouring dollars into a AMD, just like you can a new Intel. So build a AMD if you want to go down memory lane, but if AMD don't do better, build a Conroe for the better PC for the money.
If you want to use DDR RAM you have, it may or may not be the best for the build, but you can save a few dollars. You should be able to use the PSU, drives, case, and other parts. You might get away with just a motherboard and CPU. Most people have the PC 3200 RAM on older PCs and few have the performance RAM. So expect to take a hit in the memory department compared to what some of the other forum members are using. Notice aabbccdd is using PC 3500 with his. Others are using even faster. It won't kill you, but you lose all the bragging rights. LOL In the end you can get a decent PC. Using AMD can be okay for a upgrade build when you have a bunch of parts. One question though, would you want to build a opty 185 with budget RAM and a average board? If you start pumping in dollars there, you might as well buy the DDR2 and get a Conroe.
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Originally posted by aabbccdd:
i OC(ed) it with the Asus Ai Booster to 2.875 GHz and when i was playing Ghost Recon online the game was crashing but my temps were fine. so i put it back to stock and haven't tryed doing anything else.
i really don't know what settings or how to OC it in the BIOs which is the ONLY right way to OC .so if anyone wants to PM me on a step by step guide on how to do it i will give it a shot.thanks
I'll see if I can round up the one I found. It's been a while, so I don't know if I can find it again or if it's still available. It was about 80 pages. The guy wrote a book. With the 185 you're still better off than a lot at stock settings. Think how much better at 10% (or better) with it stable. Usually 10% is an easy mark for most AMDs. I'm not familiar with OCing the 185 though. It used to be too expensive and the 170 and 175 were good for OCing at a lower cost. I noticed you got a good board to build with. The 8 phase power management makes a lot of difference.
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TO ALL!!!
INCLUDiNG THEONE...lol
Have a great christmas and a happy new year. And may everyone be safe.
Best wishes to all.
And to all a good night. ;)
Hope everyone has a good Christmas. Well almost anyway. ;)
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great thanks
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I don't know if you caught it or not, but I noted you built with a good board. The 8 phase power management makes a difference. I think I saw where DocTy used one for one of his builds. I used one too. You really don't need to use the newer BIOS releases to get good performance from it. I used some midrange processors on it and it's easy to get 15% with them. I took one AMD dual core from 2.4GHz to over 2.8 and it was stable, except for Prime computations. It would encode and do everything without crashing and there was no faults with the encoding.
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You're in luck, I found it. Short-Media has some good material on OCing. The guide prints out to about 75 pages. You still need to know your way around a BIOS before you can do the job right. The ASUS manual gives a lot of info. Read up on the BIOS controls from the manual for the board. If you got a OEM board and need a manual, you can download from the ASUS support site.
http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=300
Thanks to lemonlime. The article is dated February 06, so the material isn't out of date.
I figured I'd post this so everyone who needs it can find it and check it out. I looked a long time before finding it, but it's not a secret. ;) I learned a few things from it. The earlier guides I found weren't as good.
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One question though, would you want to build a opty 185 with budget RAM and a average board? If you start pumping in dollars there, you might as well buy the DDR2 and get a Conroe.
First off it's not budget ram. it Corsair XMS Cas2 and I want to see what the 185 will do in the TForce MB. Besides I've drooled over that chip since the day it came out! At well over $800 it was out of the question. Now at a lot less than $400, I can have one! The set-up in the Tforce 6100 939 has every bell and whistle known to man and a lot that I don't know a thing about. I'm surprised that you can't control the intensity of the leds with the set-up! LOL! The manual sucks! Almost nothing on the bios except the OC-Engine. If I'm going to learn to do an AMD Dual-Core, I'm going to have to learn what all that stuff does! Like I say, I want to learn and there's plenty more time for a Conroe. Besides, it'll be fun! Just like aabbccdd is having now!
Happy Holidays,
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They're all fun. The BIOS(s) are only made by a few companies, so there's not that many variations. The board builders have some more customized than others. Learn to do the BIOS and there ain't much to building. Building a PC is easier than some erector sets. I'm not a whiz at it, but I get by in the BIOS. I'm horrible with erector sets. LOL
That PC 3200 XMS Corsair Cas 2 is some of the RAM that boots up C3 on a AMD system. Be prepared for that. It's got good heat spreaders. The stock voltage is 2.75V, but you can take it to 2.80 without a problem. Sometimes that extra bit helps stabilize the RAM. Maybe the BIOS controls on the board you intend to use will help with the timing. The newer AMDs don't take as much voltage as some of the earlier CPUs, so be careful with the vCore.
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About $38 dollars less at only one vendor we know of. I suggest you get it while it's available. Newegg is about the next lowest at over $400. They may sell out before the prices get much lower. I suspect the nice prices we're seeing are like the old gas wars Dad talked about. I wonder when the prices will start going back up.
At least you're not going into the build thinking it will beat the new Intels (which happen to be less expensive for better performance).
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I went to the Biostar support site and checked out the TForce board you are so impressed with. I didn't see what was special. It uses the same NF4 chipset that the Asus A8N uses and has an Award BIOS like the ASUS. You're right, not much of a manual. They have a download for it from support.
The Asus boards have as many bells and whistles, looks like more to me. The board aabbccdd has with his rig is a whole lot better than the TForce. You can get the specs and download a manual from ASUS support. The best way to check out an ASUS board before buying is to review its manual. Your choice on the board, but I don't see the attraction. If there's some reason you like the board and it has something the Asus boards don't have, let me know. The A8N32 has the 8 phase power management, which automatially gives it a big boost up in my eyes. The RAM support for the TForce is listed as only DDR 400 PC 3200. Note the PC 3500 for the A8N32 and the XMS Corsair PC3500LLPro made specially for the Asus board by Corsair. Better memory support up front. Add the better power management and you have a runaway winner with the A8N32, plus it has a good manual. LOL
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I know I built with a good and tested board. All the sites are using my board for their AMD benchmarks so I figured I couldn't go wrong.
It has OC'd without a hitch and the PCI bus is already locked. The BIOS are easy to use and the onboard temp sensors are pretty accurate. Taking my 4400+ to 3.0GHz would be no problem but I just don't feel the need.
I was originally going to make my AM2 cross-over a budget build with 1GB of OCZ gold, a Tforce AM2(a great board) and a 3800+ but my better judgement screamed for higher quality so I went with my favorite RAM, a better board, and a 4400+, I do not regret it. I consider my self a mid/high end user :)
Merry Christmas to all :)
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LOL
i knew i saw my name mentioned on a few occasions~ :)
anyways, as PacMan777 stated earlier, it's good to understand and fully understand what components give you exactly what kind of performance...
i have mentioned in the past IF BUILDING FROM SCRATCH, i would definitely recommend an Intel Core 2 duo system...i agree with the others in that IF YOU HAVE SPARE PARTS already on hand and are simply doing an "upgrade" of sorts without committing a lot of money (on a budget), then AMD is a very viable solution :)
anyways, i don't contribute much to this particular thread only because people tend to argue about performance between AMD and Intel by either going off benchmarks they see on various websites and can skew the comparisons based on their own agenda as they see fit (ie. only linking certain benchmarks that a particular processor/gpu/etc. perform exceptionally well in compared to other "standard" benchmarks vs. the competitor - AMD or Intel/ Nvidia or ATi that they happen to be a "fan" of) :)
as PacMan777 mentioned, i HAVE built on both platforms and enjoy my systems equally for what their worth...i personally use my AMD system as a daily grind machine and use my Intel for mostly testing purposes and OC'in potential :) btw..i've used 4 different motherboards now for the Core 2 duo platform, all of which are excellent for overclocking with my newest one being the eVGA 680i which i've managed to take a stock E6600 @ 2.4ghz to over 4ghz briefly on custom water cooling. i haven't managed to get it stable yet, so more tweaking will be involved come the New Year...
for those interested in my various benchmarks, PM me and i will link you to them privately.
@theone
i know that on the various websites that we are both a member of, you've been asking aabbccdd for the opty 185 benches, well, as you are aware, i too ordered one from TigerDirect around the same time...UPS managed to "misplace" my package somewhere along the way and i finally got it in yesterday, they blame the "delay" due to the holiday season and how busy things are...whatevers...
anyways, took me all of 10 min. to swap out my 4400+ x2 and drop in the opteron 185, i haven't really "pushed" it yet due to it being so new and i'm also waiting for the thermal compound to cure and set before i max this bad boy out! :) but in the meantime, here is the arithmetic on Sandra just so you can get an idea of what is possible (don't worry, for those that know me, i'm EXTREME when it comes to overclocking, i don't settle for what the AVG. enthusiast can achieve...i'm gonna go higher, i'm not satisfied with my temps right now until the thermal compound sets, once i'm happy...then i'm going right over 3.0ghz) :)
it's currently at 2.925ghz @ 21219 MIPS, so that gives you a ballpark figure using Sandra 2007 (naturally, it would be higher on Sandra 2005, but we all know how outdated that version is) :)
this should give you the confidence and settle your curiousity if it's something you might plan on purchasing in the future, i naturally sold my 4400+ x2 to a friend so all in all, i spent a little over $100 on this "upgrade" of mine on the AMD rig. :) this is still on the Asus A8N32-SLI mobo that was talked about earlier in this thread with 2gb OCZ Platinum pc-3200 memory, marginally overclocked to 225mhz at this point (will bump that up too at a later time)
Happy Holidays everyone, gonna go back to enjoying some quality time with the family...i bid everyone a safe and pleasant season.
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22. December 2006 @ 12:14 |
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Kivory666,
$100!!! Are you any good at finding wallets? ROFL!!
Enjoy your new toy and we'll see what it can do when you get to tweaking it some more. What MB are you using by the way?
Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year and a Happy and Safe Holiday Season to you and yours.
Happy Holidays,
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22. December 2006 @ 12:22 |
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I've not used one of the TForce boards yet, so I can't put them down. I don't see the big deal. I went to the site and checked the specs and like theonejrs said, not much of a manual. You'd better know your stuff or have another support site. They use the same chipsets used by other board builders and a bunch of the other brands have as many or more options. DFI and Gigabyte make boards I like more. Usually if Asus has a board with as much I'll get one of them. I've had good experience with Asus and a lot of sites use them for testboards. I told theonejrs thay also have a manual. I even notice a lot of people on the forums like them, more than don't anyway. Somebody always goes against whats popular. "Mine's better ..."
I agree with you, you made a good choice on boards for your AM2. I like the ASUS boards. Asus saved the best for the M2N32 boards though. Like the A8N and A8N32, Asus saved the better power management for the higher end board. If you ever use SLI, the M2N is 2x8 on the PCI Express x16 slots and M2N32 is full 2x16. Asus loads the "32" boards down with extras to make them more OC friendly as well as gamer friendly with the better graphics. I guess they use SLI for things besides games, but that's what comes to mind. If you're serious about trying to go to 3.0GHz with the 4400, the M2N32 might have been a better choice. Money always seems to get in the way of our fun, they make the better stuff cost more.
If you ever get the 4400 to 3.0GHz, I'd be interested in your settings and bench results. I just can't seem to get the 2.2 and 2.4GHz AMDs to go that high. It's more in the math than the voltages. Like I said, I'm no expert so I'm probably missing something. Let me know.
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