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Pacman777, thanks my 9500 is running this Opteron 185 that is OC(ed) at about 36c at idle to around 40c to 42c under load
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the 9700 is 59.99 at newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118019
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I forgot to mention, the 9700 comes with a new thermal compound that brushes on. It's better than the old stuff they used before and it goes on easier than Arctic Silver. I don't know about long term, but for now it seems to work as well as Arctic Silver. Call me a creature of habit, but I still feel safer with the Arctic Silver though.
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yeah the Arctic Silver is proven
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Originally posted by MichaelP1:
Pacman777, thanks my 9500 is running this Opteron 185 that is OC(ed) at about 36c at idle to around 40c to 42c under load
heres my specs.
Antec Nine Hundred Mid-Tower Gaming Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB Socket 939/ Seagate160GB Barracuda/ Westeren Digital Raptor 150 GB Sata/NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2,1 GB of GDDR3 Memory / CORSAIR XMS 2GB DDR SDRAM (PC 3500)/AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core CPU OC(ed) to 2.87GHz/Zalman CNPS-9500 LED Cooler/2-Plextor PX-716A Drives/Lite-On SHW-160P6S/View Sonic-VX2235wm 22" Widescreen 1680x1050 res.5ms Respone Time
the 9700 is 59.99 at newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118019
I've only seen that beat by a dollar or 2.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getpr...rch=Zalman+9700
When you say full load, what are you testing with and are you putting the BIOS in Manual and turning the Cool 'n Quiet off? I've used AMD processors with the A8N32-SLI board and the temps you have are exceptional for one loaded. The passive cooling of that board runs slightly warmer than some others.
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Another thing I forgot to ask. Is that temp you mentioned for the CPU or the chipset?
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yes its the CPU temp
my mobo temp is about 28c to 30c
well not full load iam talking thats the temp when gaming or encoding a dvd etc.
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But at $999 some of the stock systems would be hard to beat. You have to remember you're getting all the necessary parts along with monitors, mouse, keyboards and OS with software bundles.
Very true! Not with the one Ace_2 posted though! It comes with software, mouse and keyboard, but no monitor.
The parts I'm getting total $744, including tax and shipping. Add $96 for a 6600 instead of the 6400 and that would leave about $160 for a case, PS, keyboard and mouse which is do-able for $999! I may wind up doing just that for myself as I just got yet another build so I'll have some extra money to play with. The console would be fairly high quality with lots of future potential as the MB, memory, Drives and CPU are all good quality parts. For myself I won't need a case, PS, keyboard, mouse or Monitor so I may well take that route. You are right about the $1500 if I had to supply a monitor. Would probably run $1350 to $1400 or so depending. I would get another Sceptre Widescreen for sure!
BTW I'm not down on the Zalman, it's just the Arctic works better for me in the cases I've used. I've tested both extensively in the 3 different computers we have here and the Arctic runs about 6C cooler. I imagine in a case with very high airflow like the Xclio, the Zalman would be better I use the Arctics for all my builds now with no problems. Can't beat the price either! I can usually buy 2 Freezer 7s or 64s for less than 1 9500!
Happy computering,
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Russ veiwsonic has a couple sweet new widescreens out check out the X Series
Nah! I'll stick with the Sceptre! Better contrast ratio with the same response time. Plus they are close by if I ever do have a problem. They also cost less and I've been more than happy with mine with 0 problems and it does get used a lot!
BTW, I of the opinion that folding seems to be the best torture test you can give a PC. I'm running 95% CPU usage and my CPU temp is 46C in a 27C room. Not bad for a Presler! Says a lot about the design of the Cooler Master Cavalier case as well as it runs about 4C cooler now. I think I'll be using them for all my builds. I think my next one will be a black one for me. Either that or the Xclio Rocket job! I saw a Cavalier in black the other day and it's really nice looking with the brush finish aluminum front. Drive door is slick too and it takes about 20 sec to reverse it! Reasonably priced at $69 as well.
For all the touting of OCCT as a good stress test, it's only single threaded. Folding is better. The only errors I get are time errors because I don't run it 24/7. Considering that, I'm gonna hit 8000+ points by morning as I'll leave it on tonight!
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In all fairness, the 9500 is an excellent cooler, and I don't think Russ is saying otherwise, but in his opinion (and mine) the Freezer seems a better idea, and it doesn't surprise me, based on the stats and some benchmarks that it'd be near the top if not as good as the Zalman. With regard to premade PCs, there are sites that let you custom make a PC (I think Ibuypower is one of them) using a selection of parts you choose, then put it together for a fee. Some places charge you a fortune, but if you do what I did, you eventually find somewhere that aska a very minimal assembly fee. Granted the components cost slightly more than a big wholesaler but you get a reasonable deal. My system was £1200+a £50 assembly fee when I had it built. The components would have cost me £1140 at ebuyer, which is kinda like the UK equivalent of newegg.
S3a, upon our recommendation Russ, has got himself a Sceptre X20g Naga. Unsurprisingly he loves it. Another happy consumer. Unfortunately Sceptre and Westinghouse are the two brands you can't get in the UK...
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In all fairness, the 9500 is an excellent cooler, and I don't think Russ is saying otherwise, but in his opinion (and mine) the Freezer seems a better idea, and it doesn't surprise me, based on the stats and some benchmarks that it'd be near the top if not as good as the Zalman.
I had the Zalman in my old 3.0/800 Prescott for quite a while and it did a good job. My only real complaint with it was it's a major pain in the a$$ to install or remove! Almost impossible to install with the MB mounted. I decided to build the D-940 and switched the 9500 to it. I was doing a build and had a freezer 7 (customer request) so I decided to try it in mine and was very surprised by the 5C to 6C lower temps. I did a lot of testing between the Arctic and the Zalman and posted temps and as you remember I caught a lot of skepticisum for all the work. I honestly think the 9500 would work better in a larger case. At $16.99 with free shipping I usually buy 2 Freezers and keep them in stock. They work excellent in the CM Cavalier case!
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S3a, upon our recommendation Russ, has got himself a Sceptre X20g Naga. Unsurprisingly he loves it. Another happy consumer.
If you remember rightly I saw a demo of the Naga III over a year ago and the's what started my love affair with Sceptre. I asked about what others thought on the thread and got a lot of opinions both ways. Most didn't like the 60K refresh rate at 1680x1050. It's never been a problem with games or anything and the picture clarity is outstanding. Lots of arguments about stretching the display too. I'll never go back to a 4:3!
I'm going to e-mail you something to check out on your widescreen, so look for it! Just be warned, don't put it on a CRT whatever you do!
Happy Computering,
theone
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Russ all the LCDs are 60K refresh rate , i don't think theres anyway around this
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I don't recall seeing an LCD that did more than 60Hz at top resolution, neither do I recall seeing any LCD where that was a problem... I get 60Hz at 2560x1600 on my 3007 and that looks absolutely fine, bar when you get low fps in games of course!
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Russ all the LCDs are 60K refresh rate , i don't think there's anyway around this
I knew that! That's why I though that particular complaint was funny! ROFL!! That's all right! Some folks would critisise water for being "wet"! LOL!!
Sam,
Way back in the day Westinghouse used to have a slogan, "You can be sure if it's Westinghouse"! Us techs who worked on them changed that to, "If it's a Westinghouse, you can be sure..."! They were junk! Cheap Junk at that!
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Really? They're the only company I've seen advertising full size PC monitors...
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Well. I might get another Arctic Freezer. They really are good coolers for the price.
I might head down tomorrow and grab an Arctic Freezer and a box of fans.
My local shop will actually sell a box assortment of six Arctic Cooling fans of your choice... all for $10.99. That would get me enough to do a change out on some of my weaker fans and properly ventilate my Sempron box.
My odd jobs make enough to go out and do this stuff and keep adding to my funds. I'd like to take it back above $1200 again.
I guess I'm tired of full builds for now. I might sell off my Sempron soon. I'll take out the X850XT and put it in my Intel. Somebody will like to have an OC'd Sempy. It outbenches a Presler 3.2GHz
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For the midsize monitors (20.5") there are a number of good options. I prefer the widescreen. Samsung has the SyncMaster 205BW and others, Dell has some good offerings, and Viewsonic has some good offerings. I'm sure there's probably more. Just be sure to shop the best pricing. I find good buys at places like SAM'S as well as online. The Sceptre Naga is good as well. You're not limited to just a couple of models anymore. Just don't buy a piece of junk no one has ever heard of because it's cheap.
Theonejrs
I have no idea what you're doing with OCCT, but it does fully load both cores on my system. In fact is does such as good job that it's even hard to open taskmanager when the app is already running. I usually turn on the taskmanager so I can glimpse at the graph occasionally to see that the app still has both cores pegged. Encoding doesn't come close to it. Since folding usually is just done with one core, I don't see how that would be a true load. If you give both cores over that would be a decent test, but I still don't see it beating OCCT. OCCT is free, so I'm sure not trying to sell anybody anything. I just hate to see statements saying an app doesn't work when it's working for me. I suspect there is a flaw somewhere in your setup when you go to use it. I can be pretty dumb sometimes, so if I can get it going, it should be usable for most people. LOL
There's an older version out there and I hear some people have had a problem or 2 with it. The version that's doing a good job for me is 1.0.2a. Check to see if you have that version. If you have the older version change it out and see if that gets both cores loading. I've heard some top OC(ers) using it as a top torture test. I doubt they'd use it if it was only loading one core on a dual core.
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I have no idea what you're doing with OCCT, but it does fully load both cores on my system. In fact is does such as good job that it's even hard to open taskmanager when the app is already running. I usually turn on the taskmanager so I can glimpse at the graph occasionally to see that the app still has both cores pegged. Encoding doesn't come close to it. Since folding usually is just done with one core, I don't see how that would be a true load. If you give both cores over that would be a decent test, but I still don't see it beating OCCT. OCCT is free, so I'm sure not trying to sell anybody anything. I just hate to see statements saying an app doesn't work when it's working for me. I suspect there is a flaw somewhere in your setup when you go to use it. I can be pretty dumb sometimes, so if I can get it going, it should be usable for most people. LOL
I have the same version you are using and it doesn't see my Pressler as a dual core. It says it's a Cedarmill. Maybe it only works with AMDs.
As far as folding, Yes it is single threaded but you can run 2 instances of it to utilize both cores. It is relentless as it works the processor at 95% 24/7. The 2 little graphs have a straight line almost at the top. I don't run anything at 100%, ever. I don't believe in it. If you ever want to set yours up for both cores let me know as it's so complicated it's simple. I'll tell you the story sometime. Got to run as Dinner is here! Check out the wallpaper I e-mailed you!
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I went with the View Sonic-VX2235wm 22" Widescreen 1680x1050 res.5ms Respone Time
i am picking it up fri. or sat.
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That's a sweet monitor, although ironically it uses the same panel as a videoseven screen!
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Well I found out what the penalty for turning off Automatic Updates in XP is! Microsoft cripples your security! I personally think they do much more than that as they are the only ones that have "Cart Blanc" to access your computer. First I was having trouble shutting down! No problem I'll do a "Repair" install! Hah!!! As I was doing that it came across a file it couldn't find either on the XP Pro CD or SP-2! It was a file for the USB. I figured, no pronlem as I was intending on installing SP-2 anyway. Wrong!!! Wrong, wrong, wrong! When it was all finished I had no usb whatsoever, which is very strange as I have USB 2.0 support on my MB. I finally had to blow the whole thing down and hook up a floppy so I could use the Seagate software and treat the drive like it was a new one! Re-Partitioned and formated.
XP Pro took exactly 12 minutes to install from the boot-up to the main windows screen. That's pretty darn fast. No problems with the USB this time. M$ can deny it till the cows come home but the only one with internet access at that point is M$, and the problem occured as soon as I switched off the Automatic Updates in the tools. I had no other software on it and I have a hardware Firewall/Router. Curse you Bill Gates!!! That's what's called the "Golden Rule" He who has the Gold, makes the Rules!
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Sorry, double post!
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OCCT works with Intel. A problem sometimes comes in with hyperthreading, which your CPU doesn't have. For those with it, the software may show a second core, but in reality the system is being loaded. I have no idea what's happening with you, but it isn't a regular problem.
If you can't get OCCT to work, nothing lost. It was a freebie. But don't knock it just because your machine won't read properly for you. Not everyone wants to get into folding to test their equipment. There's too many torture tests out there to go to something like that. For those folding, it is a good real world test if the system is fully used for the task. I suggest users wanting to test their system give OCCT a try. As I mentioned, nothing lost if it doesn't work. As for myself, it's one of my handiest testing apps, Intel and AMD.
With folding the processor usage can still fluctuate allowing the system to cool down. When working right, OCCT is loading the system 99%(+). Taskmanager reads 100%, but it's not exact. If so, you couldn't turn OCCT off without manually turning off the machine. Still, OCCT fully loads the system as far as testing goes and holds steady as long as desired. Your not wanting to fully load your system is your choice, it does stress the hardware and could cause failure. But then that's what a torture test is for, to see if a system is going to fail. By not fully loading your system, you don't know if it's fully stable or not.
30 minutes is a good test with OCCT and 2 hrs usually finds most difficult errors. A full 24 hrs is really wringing it out, but some people do it. Great for burn in with a new processor. Sandra (set so it doesn't cycle), and Prime95 are a couple more good tests.
MichaelP1
Good choice. Viewsonic is a good monitor and that one has a slightly larger screen than the 20.5 units I favor. The size difference is small, but about $100 less on average for models like the Scepter Naga and Samsung. I've even seen 20" Viewsonics on sale around $300 When I can get good at less price, I'll usually hedge and spend a bit more on the processor and/or RAM. But they don't have that handy Ipod dock. ;) You should enjoy your choice. I know I would if I had it.
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