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17. January 2007 @ 22:45 |
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Baltekmi
Since they're typing £ instead of $, they may not have a TigerDirect. That's a great deal though. Most places charge more for just an OEM FX60. I may just order one of those to build an extra PC.
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I'll have to be one of those who disagree. I've seen it's often cheaper to buy a manufactured PC than build one. Dell, Gateway, HP, and others sell inexpensive PCs that would cost more if a person bought the components individually. Custom builders usually pay more attention to quality and performance. When it gets to the higher end PCs, then custom builds come closer in price and may sometimes be a bit less. If I just wanted an entry level PC, I'd buy a manufactured PC and save the trouble of having to put it together. Besides the PC itself, there's software and peripherals. Those are often included with a factory PC, but costs a builder extra.
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17. January 2007 @ 22:58 |
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you think??? Even if you wanted to upgrade it... most have the parts!
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Even though that isn't their top of the line mobo for socket 939, Asus mobo's are all I use. That's a great price for that system. I don't think you could build one for that, even close.
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17. January 2007 @ 23:09 |
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Yes you are probably right except for one big issue I have with those systems.... They are currupt with adware and offers on the os. Even though some systems use name brand mobo's, they are not mainstream motherbords that can be purchased except for the type mass produced for that model. Being Dell HP or others. They always have a restore disk that often doesen't work or puts the same Crap back on the hardrive. and if you want to reload the drivers, you have to go to the systems mobo model # from there website. Originally posted by PacMan777:
Baltekmi
Since they're typing £ instead of $, they may not have a TigerDirect. That's a great deal though. Most places charge more for just an OEM FX60. I may just order one of those to build an extra PC.
Sammorriss
I'll have to be one of those who disagree. I've seen it's often cheaper to buy a manufactured PC than build one. Dell, Gateway, HP, and others sell inexpensive PCs that would cost more if a person bought the components individually. Custom builders usually pay more attention to quality and performance. When it gets to the higher end PCs, then custom builds come closer in price and may sometimes be a bit less. If I just wanted an entry level PC, I'd buy a manufactured PC and save the trouble of having to put it together. Besides the PC itself, there's software and peripherals. Those are often included with a factory PC, but costs a builder extra.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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17. January 2007 @ 23:40 |
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What adware are you referring to. All I've seen are some service offers such as IPs for connecting to the net and some offers on software upgrades from OEM. All of which could be deleted or turned off. Just the XP OS costs $100 or more. Most PCs shipped nowadays have the ability to make a backup disc. Most factory PCs no longer include them.
The mobos are usually decent quality, but the BIOS is locked to prevent tampering with settings that might damage the hardware. My last factory PC had Intel chipsets and wasn't obsolete for a few years. It still does well for a Socket 478. The only thing a person can do to improve system performance with those is to add RAM and a faster Processor. Turning up the settings isn't an option. You can see why. The manufacturer doesn't want to be responsible for user damages.
I used Gateway's and Dell's support sites not long ago. I found drivers and needed downloads without a problem. It's the phone support that usually stinks. I've had no problems but that doesn't mean others haven't.
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18. January 2007 @ 01:23 |
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That FX-60 system is really a steal! Nice case, Good PSU, ande from what I can tell, a decent mobo(probably locked, hence the exclusive model number.)
If I wanted to build a new PC that would be my barebones of choice!
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18. January 2007 @ 02:23 |
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Pacman: We do have a TigerDirect in the UK, but it's under the name Misco, and would be under different special offer terms, for a start I haven't seen those components in the UK! With regard to prebuilds being cheaper, in the case of bare basics PCs then they are significantly cheaper, however, once you add any level of performance, the opposite very rapidly seems to come true.
Estuansis: Thing is, even if I were able to buy one, I'd be changing the PSU and Case anyway...
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18. January 2007 @ 04:25 |
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in the case of bare basics PCs then they are significantly cheaper, however, once you add any level of performance, the opposite very rapidly seems to come true.
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I've seen it's often cheaper to buy a manufactured PC than build one. ... Custom builders usually pay more attention to quality and performance. When it gets to the higher end PCs, then custom builds come closer in price and may sometimes be a bit less.
That's more or less what I said, but it's not just bare bones. For instance there's a Dell AMD 4200 X2 that's fairly well equiped with a 19" flat monitor (about $900). If it had a custom board and possibly better RAM, it would be as good as some customs. But most people aren't going to OC, so that doesn't matter as much. http://www.dell.com/content/products/fea...s=19&l=en&s=dhs
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18. January 2007 @ 10:47 |
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so what do you lot think of the AMD AM2 64 X2 4200+ to start with then build around it and what sort off motherboard will i need and memory and all over things. thanks from a newbie hoping to build his own p.c
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18. January 2007 @ 11:57 |
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hoddey,
Unless you already have some DDR memory, some components for an AMD build, or have your heart set on AMD, I would seriously reconsider and possibly go with a Intel E6300 ($190) or E6400 ($222) core 2 duo for a few dollars more. Even though the E6300 is 1.86ghz compared to the 4200+ X2 being 2.2ghz, the E6300 will most likely outperform the 4200+. You can then always upgrade to an E6600 (which I highly recommend) or even an E6700. Intels core 2 duo 2 core technology is leading the way right now.
Even though you will need to get a matched set of DDR2 memory for the core 2 duo's vs DDR memory for the AMD X2's, the DDR2 memory is not all that much more expensive even though it is twice as fast eg. DDR2 PC2 6400 is 800mhz where DDR PC 3200 is 400mhz.
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18. January 2007 @ 12:01 |
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Estuansis,
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That FX-60 system is really a steal! Nice case, Good PSU, ande from what I can tell, a decent mobo(probably locked, hence the exclusive model number.)
Actually I looked up the MB, downloaded the manual and it seems to have more than enough bells and whistles for overclocking. The model number isn't exclusive, it just an ordinary A8S-X MB. An just an older, no longer made MB. You can find it at: http://static.tigerdirect.com/pdf/Asus_A8S-X_Manual.pdf Good deal actually, as the processor would cost more than that, by itself!
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18. January 2007 @ 12:47 |
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hoddey,
That FX-60 system is probably the best deal I have ever seen. 2.6ghz dual core cpu vs 2.2 ghz dual core 4200+. If you're serious about a new rig, I would jump on that deal. You can't build even an AMD 4200+ X2 system for that. Here it is again http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1281.asp?CMP=ILC-FPM02
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18. January 2007 @ 12:55 |
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I dont pipe my opinions in very often, but I nearly shat my pants when I opened that same email which offered that deal.
I didnt want to buy any parts for at least 6 months (son might be moving out after graduating school, a pc would be a good gift) it has me thinking hard about doing it now.
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18. January 2007 @ 14:01 |
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Even though you will need to get a matched set of DDR2 memory for the core 2 duo's vs DDR memory for the AMD X2's, the DDR2 memory is not all that much more expensive even though it is twice as fast eg. DDR2 PC2 6400 is 800mhz where DDR PC 3200 is 400mhz.
Not that I'd build an old tech AMD system from scratch over the new Intel, unless someone just had to have one, but I'll have to disagree with part of the statement. DDR2 isn't twice as fast as DDR. In fact memory performance isn't that different between the two on current platforms. I've pushed overclocked systems with DDR to performance benches as high as DDR2. Also, there is faster RAM than PC3200, Newegg sells PC4400. DDR2 has more possibilities for future development.
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18. January 2007 @ 16:20 |
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there is faster RAM than PC3200, Newegg sells PC4400.
Yes I know. I was just comparing two of the commonly used speeds. You can also get DDR2 PC2 9200. You will pay a premium price for the DDR PC4400 and DDR2 PC2 9200.
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18. January 2007 @ 17:26 |
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Yeah I was about to point it out. With the higher latencies, I don't think DDR2 is much faster than DDR1 unless you get the top end stuff, when you work it out, the speed is double, and so is the latency, so what have you gained? the 4-bit prefetch?
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18. January 2007 @ 23:31 |
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Getting back to the subject of security,
Have a look here guys:
http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/
The only firewall that doesn't leak
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Ive tested it at 4 different firewall sites and get a 100% stealth rating at all sites.
It's just over a 4meg download.
Hit download and you will have to type in your email address.You will be sent an activation code which you enter once the program is installed.Thats it free updates for life!!
I've been running it for 4 weeks or so and have'nt been sent any email from comodo trying to sell me anything or been flooded with email from them so It's all good!
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18. January 2007 @ 23:38 |
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will it conflit with my Trend Micro firewall?
plus i have a firewall router
so i probably don't need it right
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18. January 2007 @ 23:49 |
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aabbccdd,
Not sure if it will conflict with your firewall,
however when you install it,it recommends you allow it disable any other firewalls including micro$ofts.
Try testing your firewall at some of the test sites.Just google: "firewall test sites" and your in business.See how your current firewall rates,if it's not 100% give comodo a try.
Nearly forgot to give it the seal!!!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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With the firewall router you probably don't need it.
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Hi. I can't even begin to tell you how many hours I have spent reading and researching AMD or Intel, and now I've come across this forum and just sat here reading this entire thread.... almost three hours!
Here's my dilemma: I need to finally upgrade and buy a new computer. I've always just updated mine, but now it's pretty much in need of updates everywhere and so I just want to buy a new one. I'm looking at having www.cyberpowerpc.com do it.
I have always built and mostly used AMD and was set on getting one again. Now, the main thing I do is Photoshop. I don't do ANY gaming at all! But I want something that'll be blazing with Photoshop and also last me a few year.
I was all set on a 4200+ with DDR2/800mhz RAM (1 gig) until I saw a thread that said the Intel E6400 blew Photoshop away on some benchmarks. Up to that point I had read that the AMD was better for Photoshop with multithreading, etc. So here's my question...
Which one do you think is more suited for me... which one is faster... and what else would you recommend other than at least a GIG of RAM?
Which of those two chips would be faster for basically editing photos and running other applications without bringing my resources down and my computer to a standstill?
Thanks so much for your help!
Gina :O)
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gina4xoxo, shoot us back a budget your willing to spend ,CPU,Video card, Ram, PS, mobo , drives etc. and we can help you out
the new Intel cores def. out benchmark the AMDs right now and are the way to go depending on your budget if your wanting to keep your new build for awhile i would probably go with the E6600 Intel core if you can swing it
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I just read that in Q2 Intel will be upping their 6000 line to 4mb L2 cache instead of 2mb.
I'm looking at the specials on www.cyberpowerpc.com and the ones around $1,000 or lower. Again, I do NO GAMING... Now is the E6400 better than the AMD 4200+ for photoshop? I thought the Intel don't do the multithreading?
Thanks a bunch!
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The Intel core 2 duo E6xxx series are still the clear winners. Even the E6300 outperforms most other offerings. Another advantage is the E6xxx series have 1066 fsb which will increase as they are OC'ed. All the E6xxx series cpu's are highly over clockable as well. The only advantage I can see with the E4xxx series over the E6xxx series is price and it's not that much considering the stock E6300 will still outperform the stock E4300 for only a few dollars more. I would pay the few dollars more for the additional fsb.
They didn't give a comparison but I'm sure if the E6300 and E4300 were OC'ed to the same speed, the E6300 would still be the clear winner. My E6600 OC'ed to 3.0ghz will walk all over the stock E6800 too as well as all other stock dual core offerings of any make. I'm not even pushing it at 3.0ghz. I intend to OC it to 3.2ghz or 3.4ghz on air at a later date. My FSB at 3.0ghz is 1342. My memory is running at 838mhz and still at rated latency timings of 4-4-4-12.
Stock vs stock Intel E6xxx series are still the clear winners and give the best bang for the buck.
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