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19. January 2007 @ 12:44 |
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So it's just a lower FSB 6300? Doesn't make any sense as the other line covers all known price ranges.
Now if they released that as 1MB Dual Core with the 800MHz bus like a Core 2 Celeron. It would perform fairly, OC well, and cost much less. It would be a Celeron that doesn't completely blow but doesn't really challenge the big boys at stock. Intel would make a killing on it.
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19. January 2007 @ 12:54 |
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Talking regular prices and performance, the Conroes win for a new build. But shopping around, Some vendors are almost giving away former highend AMDs. TigerDirect has a barebones FX 60 system for $400. Add RAM, drives, and a graphics card and it's good to go. An FX 60 by itself will sell for more at most shops. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...u=A455-2129%20C
I'm seriously thinking of getting one to build an extra PC. It's socket 939 and uses DDR. If you've got PC3200 or better you would be okay. Use your old drives if they're not worn out. With todays prices that's the least of the purchases. 2x512MB RAM can be picked up for about $100 (give or take) depending on what you want. High performance comes at a price though. Keep it budget oriented with the fast FX 60 and you can't go wrong.
If you want to go leading edge and do a little future proofing, go with the Conroe. If all you need is a good working PC that rocks, go with the buy on the FX 60. You'd best buy quick though. As aabbccdd will tell you, buys like that sell out quick. ;)
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19. January 2007 @ 13:04 |
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My E6600 OC'ed to 3.0ghz will walk all over the stock E6800 too as well as all other stock dual core offerings of any make. I'm not even pushing it at 3.0ghz.
And how does the OC'ed E6700, X6800 (there is no E6800), and QX6700 stack up against the OCed E6600? For that matter how does an OCed E6300 stack up against a stock E6600? In both cases the E6600 gets dusted. The E6600 is the best bang for the buck though. I can see why Mort81 is happy with his. He's right on the overclocking performance too. With a custom you're going to get better performance than stock units that are locked.
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And how does the OC'ed E6700, X6800 (there is no E6800), and QX6700 stack up against the OCed E6600
Of course the faster core 2 duo cpu's OC'ed will outperform an OC'ed E6600. That's just common sense. But at a significant price increase. Prices at newegg: E6600 $316, E6700 $509, X6800 $970, and QX6700 $985. The QX6700 is a quad core and I explicity said any stock dual core offerings. It's been my experience with high end cpu's that the OC'ing flexability becomes less as they increase in stock speed. By that I mean an E6700 may not OC much more overall than an E6600 overall. On the same hand an E6600 may not OC much more overall than an E6400 overall (then again I could be wrong) but you still have the additional 2M shared cache with the E6600 over the E6400. My old P4 2.8 533 fsb would easily overclock to 3.2 completely stable but my P4 3.4 could only reach 3.6 and remain completely stable.
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For that matter how does an OCed E6300 stack up against a stock E6600? In both cases the E6600 gets dusted
Again of course that is just common sense. That article was showing that an E4300 OC'ed would outperform a stock X6800. I can easily OC my E6600 to walk all over anything an OC'ed E4300 or OC'ed E6300 can do but also keeping in mind the E6600 cost significantly more than the E4300 or E6300.
What I was basically trying to point out is that even the E6300 at $188 would outperform many other more expensive offerings and the fsb is 1066. Also the additional 2M shared cache with the E6600 and up. I guess I got a little caried away bragging up my E6600. Sorry. I am very happy with my set up. :)
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19. January 2007 @ 14:18 |
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You're confusing me using model numbers that don't exist. I get your drift though and no need to defend your choice of an E6600. I said I thought it was the best for the money. A lot of magazines and online sites, along with builders seem to agree.
I only mentioned OCed to stock jokingly because OCing gives most CPUs an edge and when talking Conroes any of the series is going to outperform it's counterparts. The OCing discussion is going a bit far as well. Many people are still reluctant to take chances OCing sytems. OCing gives an edge and typical benches indicate performance over a stock database. But like we've pointed out things get skewed when you start comparing OC to stock when those stock in the comparison can be OCed as well. OCing and comparing to stock works as a measure for improvement of the CPU being OCed, but the only true comparison between processors is along the same lines, OCed to OCed or stock to stock; apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
I understand your enthusiasm, you've got a sweet setup. ;)
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19. January 2007 @ 14:48 |
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PacMan777,
Yeah, I screwed up on the model number of the X6800 (knew there was a 6800 but I'm never going to have one).
Guess I'm trying a little too hard to convince ppl getting ready for a new build that as of right now Intel core 2 duo is definately the way to go unless of course you don't have to have the best and come across a deal like that FX 60.
Thank you for the comlement on the rig. I'll take a chill pill but I'm still gonna explain the advantages of going with a core 2 duo over some other more expensive cpu's of different makes or models. I'm ultimately only trying to help everybody get the best bang for the buck.
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19. January 2007 @ 15:11 |
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Keep up the good work. For new builds the Conroes are the way to go. We agree on the benefits of the extra 2MB of shared cache and the higher stock speed gives it a jump on the smaller units. There's still plenty of overhead for OCing with the E6600. Those great buys like the barbones FX 60 don't come along too often and even then there's some parts still needed to complete the build.
Did you notice you had a QX6800 and an E4300 in your post? ;) I'm sure you were just in a hurry and did a typo, but it makes for interesting reading.
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Hehe, typo on the 1st. Correction QX6700. Second is soon to be relesed. E4300 and E4400.
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Originally posted by Mort81:
Hehe, typo on the 1st. Correction QX6700. Second is soon to be relesed. E4300 and E4400.
I realize you were in a hurry. We could have newbs searching for new stuff though. Just an offhand comment on my part. I didn't mean to be making corrections. I make enough mistakes myself. LOL
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19. January 2007 @ 17:10 |
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If I was planning on a new build sometime in the future and wanted a good dual core cpu but didn't want to pay a premium price, I think I would wait for the release of the E6320 or E6420. 4M shared L2 cache across the board for the E6xx0 series cpu's.
On the other hand, if I was contemplating more of a high end build, I think I might wait for the release of the E6x50 1333mhz FSB series cpu's.
Hope I got the model numbers right this time. :)
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19. January 2007 @ 18:25 |
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I wouldn't say anything if you hadn't. ;)
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19. January 2007 @ 20:33 |
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As aabbccdd will tell you, buys like that sell out quick. ;)
lol yeah the AMD Opteron 185 i got for 349.00 lasted about two weeks at that price and now its gone!!
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Question?...
What os would you use for a conroe build.
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19. January 2007 @ 22:10 |
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Unless there's some reason you need the 64 bit version, I'd go with XP Pro.
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baltekmi , theres NO advantage over the three OS you have there as far as the performance you going to get out of the Conroe. its your choice which one suits your needs the best
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19. January 2007 @ 23:00 |
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It's less which OS for a Conroe build, more which OS full stop. I'd say get pro, X64 has very limited driver support and Home has a few missing features that you think you'll never need but...
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Originally posted by Mort81:
The core 2 duo E4300 Allendales are out now at newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...9115013[/quote]
They're finally getting them out to the consumers. Tigerdirect is selling an OEM about $15 cheaper than the Egg on that CPU. I think I'd go with the retail box though for the warranty. Looks like the Egg may have the best retail box price for now.
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20. January 2007 @ 07:21 |
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Thanks much for both replies.
Other than the discussion about the E4000, we're back to my original question, which was posted a couple above that.
So which is better out of the AMD 4200+ and the E6400 for working mostly in Photoshop and will last me for the next couple years.
I understand AMD has a larger FSB? What would you suggest just out of those two, or do I even need that much power? Please see my original post.
Thanks so much for your advice and help!
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20. January 2007 @ 07:23 |
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E6400 wins hands down.
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gina4xoxo,
Look at that article you provided the link to. Even the E6300 outperforms the 4200+ in all but one catagory. You may want to wait for the release of the E6300 and E6400 with 4M L2 cache (due to release in Q2 of this year).
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20. January 2007 @ 09:21 |
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Mort nailed it. The extra 2MB of shared cache makes a big difference in the real world where you're doing memory intensive tasks. It shows up more in real work done over bench results. I'll just sound off like the rest of the choir, go Conroe. LOL If it's an investment for future proofing, I think I'd spend the little bit more for the E6600 like Mort's. But if sticking to a strict budget, then the E6400 would be the way to go or wait for the units coming out in Q2.
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21. January 2007 @ 01:16 |
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With the useless X2EEs and the new Core 2 Duos this is getting out of hand. WAY too many processors. I was satisfied with what AMD and Intel had already released.
*sigh*
I guess I'll have to learn some new part numbers. lol
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