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16. February 2007 @ 14:59 |
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nope because i had it replaced many times after that until we issued a refund
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(got it free :D)
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16. February 2007 @ 15:00 |
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well then they were obviously incompetent repair staff. Trust me, I've heard EXACTLY the same story about an AMD.
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16. February 2007 @ 15:11 |
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GTR35,
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-AMD Athlon XP 2400+
You are not going to set the world on fire with that processor either! I think the problem is a combo of power and a weak CPU. If it was an Athlon 64 it would probibly work better. IGB of ram is a little short for games too!
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so motherboards for pentium suck too then
Depends! What brand and model motherboard do you have? I have a D-940 Dual Core in an Asus P5P800-SE MB and I like it very much. It's no Conroe but a very nice speedy computer that does everything I ask of it!
With that PS you are only getting about 260-270 Watts max, and that's only if it's a good one! (75% efficiency) The CPU alone draws 130 watts!
Happy Computering,
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16. February 2007 @ 15:22 |
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Well, an XP 2400+ you could do far worse. I really don't think that's a bottleneck russ, I had a 3000+, not that much faster, and it ran all the games I played flawlessly, even at max settings and high res, because i had the graphics card to support it.
1GB of RAM really isnt that bad either, i know plenty of systems that run fine with that. Ive only got 512MB at the moment!
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16. February 2007 @ 16:08 |
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I'm not knocking your pentium D dual core Russ (it's still better than a single core and you'll have a C2D soon), but if I had my choice between a pentium D and an AMD X2 of equivalent speeds, I would choose the AMD. Of course the pentium D and the C2D are two completely different birds and the C2D reins supreme over all other dual core cpu's.
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16. February 2007 @ 16:27 |
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I can echo that. At stock the E4300 seems to run about as well as my 4200+, but all I can do is seem at the moment until I get my faulty DDR2 replaced, 512 isn't much to go on these days. It may just be me, but a couple of people said that core 2s performed well, but there was just something that seemed a bit odd about their performance, occasional things that didn't seem right but hard to put your finger on, and I agree. Maybe it's because it's late, I'll investigate tomorrow.
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16. February 2007 @ 16:28 |
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sammorris,
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Well, an XP 2400+ you could do far worse.
i've built several of these and the XP 2400+ is slow! I put together an XP 2500+ for my friends daughter and it's much faster on the same MB!
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I'm not knocking your pentium D dual core Russ (it's still better than a single core and you'll have a C2D soon), but if I had my choice between a pentium D and an AMD X2 of equivalent speeds, I would choose the AMD.
For sure! When I built mine a year or so ago, it was a low price thing all the way. If I remember right it cost me $270 including shipping and I sold the P-4 for a lot more!
I do a fair amount of video encoding and the time difference between either AMD's or the D's is very slight. It's still more than twice as fast as my 3.0/800 Prescott OC'd to 3.94GHz. I now do a complete rip, RB/CCE and burn in less time than it used to take just to encode!
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16. February 2007 @ 16:44 |
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To be honest, you've made a pretty decent system there Russ, and although it's not the fastest money can buy, it's still pretty decent and not deserving of much abuse.
Now experiencing a Freezer 7 Pro first hand, I can see why you're so fond of them! It's running my E4300 at 38C idle at minimum fan speed, and it's only been running for 4 hours so far, so the arctic silver hasn't had chance to settle yet. The CNPS7000 on my X2 ran a couple of degrees above 40, long after the settle-in period.
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16. February 2007 @ 16:51 |
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sammorris,
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Now experiencing a Freezer 7 Pro first hand, I can see why you're so fond of them!
I heard from a lot of folks who agree on the Arctic being an excellent cooler. Don't run your CPU fan through you fan control as if it's the latest one it's temperature controled and automatic. It's not noisy at all!
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16. February 2007 @ 16:58 |
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My 6600 idle runs at 31 centigrade OC'ed to 3.2ghz.
sam,
Didn't the supplier where you got your ram want you to return both sticks? They need to be matched pairs to assure they will run dual channel.
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16. February 2007 @ 19:11 |
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Mort81,
Matched size and same type, they don't have to be matched pairs like the high performance RAM to run dual channel.
As for temps with Arctic Freezers, I'll just stick with the Zalman 9700. I have an AMD dual core OCed to 2.8GHz. With the OC and the vCore upped slightly, running Rebuilder (the capture shows I've finished 50%, so it's up to normal high temp), surfing the net, using the monitor software, and running my hog AV (Norton) I'm only running 42C.
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16. February 2007 @ 19:35 |
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PacMan,
I would still send both sticks back and insist on a matched set. That's about where my cpu temp runs while rb/cce is running. 41-42 centigrade.
My mobo temps are upsetting me a little though. I put a 40x40x10mm fan on my northbridge but it didn't help. Still 46 centigrade.
I ordered 2 better 40x40x20mm fans with twice the cfm and I'm going to pull my mobo out and reseat the heatsinks on the northbridge and southbridge with some artic silver 5 and install the new fans.
I'm using my desktop as an AP for my laptop right now. I ordered a router so when it gets here, I'll tackle the mobo mod. Don't want to be without an internet connection
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16. February 2007 @ 19:50 |
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You're right, that mobo temp does appear to be a little high, especially with fans. I feel mine is a bit warm, but it's a passive cooling system on the chipsets. That's as high as it goes (38C), so I won't worry about it. If I turn up the power and the mobo temp rises, I'll hook up the auxiliary cooling fan.
If the RAM was a matched set to begin with I'd want a matched set back. But when you order a couple of sticks, they're not necessarily performance matched or even consecutively numbered (unless you ordered a matched set). You can order 2 sticks of the same RAM in separate packs, and run dual channel. Plus, if Sammorriss sent all of his RAM back, his PC would have been down.
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16. February 2007 @ 20:11 |
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I'm assuming sam did order a matched set even though they are cas 5. He still has his AMD rig so he wouldn't be without a pc.
My mobo is passive cooling but I don't like it running that hot. Most ppl I've talked to with this mobo, theirs runs pretty warm too. It's probably never going to cause a problem but I'm still going to make an attempt to get it lower. It ran about 43 even back when my cpu was stock. BigDK got his P5W DH Deluxe down in the 30's by performing the mod I mentioned in my last post. Kivory got his down in the low 40's by just reseating the heatsinks with good thermal compound and removing the heatsink covers.
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16. February 2007 @ 20:14 |
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PackMan777,
Just out of curiosity, what encoder/transcoder do you use with DVDRB? I use CCE. I was just wondering if there are any temp diferences when using the other encoders/transcoders?
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16. February 2007 @ 20:22 |
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so u guys are saying that its my CPU's problem and the PSU...but i asked the computer guys he said that 350w is good enough to power the card...
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16. February 2007 @ 20:23 |
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Russ,
I know that procoder2 is more cpu intensive because on my old P4 when I was trying to find my stable OC limit, it would run stable with CCE at one setting but not be stable with procoder2 at that same setting.
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16. February 2007 @ 20:54 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
PackMan777,
Just out of curiosity, what encoder/transcoder do you use with DVDRB? I use CCE. I was just wondering if there are any temp diferences when using the other encoders/transcoders?
Happy Computering,
theone
My OC is stable and I've used most of the encoders supported by RB. I'm running CCE SP 2.70.2.12 with the current batch. I've used the New CCE SP2 and I can't see any difference between those 2. I've got ProCoder2 and even used it in the dual setup. I didn't see any noticable difference in system temps. Same for the free Hank's encoder. I've got plenty of system resources, so doing encoding isn't getting near maxing my system. To do that I have to use test programs like Orthos or OCCT where I put a heavy load on both cores. Even then the temps will only vary by a couple of degrees. I've still got overhead to OC, so I'm running rock solid at 2.8GHz. Things don't start getting flaky till I start getting near 3GHz.
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16. February 2007 @ 23:27 |
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thnx everyone...i fixed my GPU problem...
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17. February 2007 @ 00:14 |
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Has anyone got around the pop ups when using dvdrb with either procoder or CCE, its a pain in the backside every time the encoder kicks in every few seconds and interupts what I'm doing in another window.
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17. February 2007 @ 00:20 |
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PackMan777,
Thanks for the information!
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Things don't start getting flaky till I start getting near 3GHz.
I know that feeling well. I could get my P4 3.0/800 to 3.94GHz stable but it would fail as soon as I tried to get to 4GHz. Temps were a little high at (58C while encoding) 3.94 but as long as I kept the room reasonably cool, no problems.
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Has anyone got around the pop ups when using dvdrb with either procoder or CCE, its a pain in the backside every time the encoder kicks in every few seconds and interupts what I'm doing in another windo
I've been using RB/CCE for about a year and have never seen a pop-up! What do they say?
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17. February 2007 @ 05:07 |
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Russ: Unfortunately the Freezer 7 uses a 4 pin PWM based connector. I don't have any means of attaching that connector to my fan controller (which i want to do because it's not very quiet at all until I run speedfan to drop the rpm) other than literally sawing off the fourth pin. I prefer fans that don't change speed by themselves.
Mort: I will have to RMA them together, I know you have to do it that way, but I'm going to order 2x1GB of CAS4 and then return the 512s and try and get a refund. If I'm not successful, I know someone who will want more DDR2 so I'll happily sell it to him.
Pacman: My mobo is currently running at about 40C idle once it's finally stopped increasing (it takes about half an hour to get to that temperature), not really gamed much with so little RAM, but I'll see how far it gets. Didn't do anything about its thermal compound but then it's a huge heatsink.
Mort: I would be without a PC, because my other case hasn't arrived yet.
GTR: a decent 350W should be good enough to run the card really, glad you fixed the issue.
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17. February 2007 @ 05:22 |
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Its the window used by either CCE or Procoder.
When DVDRB utilizes either app its opens a window for the application.
There is a tab in DVDRB which says run encoders minimized but even when its checked, the main CCE window is closed but it still opens the encoders sub windows.
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17. February 2007 @ 05:55 |
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Playing Half Life 2 for an hour, CPU 43C, Mobo 46C. Doesn't seem too bad since the CPU has only been running for about 7 hours.
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17. February 2007 @ 06:24 |
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BigDK,
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When DVDRB utilizes either app its opens a window for the application.
I got that one time and couldn't figure out why. I un-installed it and installed it again and it's never done it since. It runs minumized all the time since. I have no idea why. It was only a few months ago though. You are right, it is annoying!
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(which i want to do because it's not very quiet at all until I run speedfan to drop the rpm)
You must want it dead silent as I don't even notice the small amount of noise it does make, especially compared to the 9500. The PS fan is the loudest and it's not bad. The automatic speed control is not at all like the old case fans ie:Dell and others. It changes speeds slowly so that the only time you notice it at all is when it's running full speed. The one in my Dell Precision was annoying as it would start to scream as soon as you loaded it down.
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