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17. February 2007 @ 06:38 |
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it may be because my PC's on my desk and right close to me, but seriously at idle, the Freezer drowns out all other noise in the PC if it's at 100% speed. at minimum speed it's quiet enough but noticeable. The real problems I have at the moment at idle are the Graphics card fan (even reduced to 22% speed in Atitool, which is lower than it normally runs at idle, it's still too noisy) and my hard disks. Raptors are never quiet let's face it, and the Barracuda is still in the very vibration-sensitive slot that the case comes with. The Barracuda will hopefully move to my file PC, and the Raptor will probably be replaced with a 500GB Caviar SE16, and the Nexus disktwin bracket I use will eventually be replaced by a more substantial drive-a-way enclosure.
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PacMan777
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17. February 2007 @ 06:58 |
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Originally posted by BigDK:
Has anyone got around the pop ups when using dvdrb with either procoder or CCE, its a pain in the backside every time the encoder kicks in every few seconds and interupts what I'm doing in another window.
When I minimize RB to the taskbar the CCE continues to open on the desktopo, but it stays behind any windows or programs I open. So it isn't an annoyance that way. In settings I have run encoders minimized.
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19. February 2007 @ 11:20 |
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I know that this is an age old question but i have to ask anyway. What processor Amd or Intel would be best to build a killer gaming system, and not break the bank? My current system.
Amd Athlon xp 64 3200+
Asus K8V SE Deluxe MB
2 Gig DDR Ram
ATI 800 Pro video card
I was thinking about replacing those items any suggestions would be greatly very helpful thanks.
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19. February 2007 @ 12:19 |
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Trouble is if you change the setup, you'll need to get all new parts you've listed.
But at the moment the best gaming performance is coming from Intel CPUs.
The best CPU for performance without going too expensive is the E6600.
I've just bought an E4300 which is the entry level core 2, compared to the E6600 it is slow to respond and no where near as smooth on gaming.
Best value good GPU would be something like the X1959XTX 512 card which for about £200 is a serious performer, otherwise your looking over £300 for something more powerful.
memory will now be DDR2 which has higher latencies but runs far quicker.
Corsair is generally considered the best in terms of compatibility and reliability as well as high performance.
Look at getting DDR800 memory with either cas 5 or cas 4 the latter being the better.
As for boards, its noramlly asus that have the best range backed up by great build quality and high end tweaking capacity.
The better the board the more options you'll get.
Chipsets worth looking at Intel 975, 965 or Nvidia 680.
Boards worth the money are P5WDH, DS3 etc...
If you get something along thoise lines your looking at about £700 depending on Ram amount.
What you have already will sell quite well on ebay.
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19. February 2007 @ 12:23 |
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or just keep what you have as is still good. the only area to update maybe is the videocard
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19. February 2007 @ 16:32 |
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depending whether the missing character is a 9 or an X...
The E4300 is in my PC now, overclocked to a reasonable extent. It doesn't perform that well yet, but as I say I only have 512MB of RAM at the moment, when I have 2GB i can compare it to my X2. It wasn't intended to supercede my desktop CPU anyway, it was just an experiment, a proper CPU upgrade will be on the cards in the latter half of this year I expect.
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19. February 2007 @ 18:52 |
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19. February 2007 @ 22:19 |
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Crowey, If you find anything for the e6300 for the asus p5w dh deluxe let me know as far oc.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
LG 20.1 FLATRON WIDESCREEN/BFG 6800 ultra@450 mgz/2 wd raptor 150 raid/Ultra 500 watt Direct connet ps
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19. February 2007 @ 22:31 |
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Hey Sam,
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It wasn't intended to supercede my desktop CPU anyway, it was just an experiment, a proper CPU upgrade will be on the cards in the latter half of this year I expect.
When you are ready let me know if you want to sell the 4300, then let me know and you can consider it sold! That is unless you have other plans for it!
Happy computering,
theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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19. February 2007 @ 22:36 |
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I found the conclusion to the E4300 article interesting. It's not worth the price. It was also interesting to hear that C2Ds OCed to 3.5 may as well be at 3.2GHz with a good GPU like the X1950. So, get a good GPU over a high OC, and forget the E4300 till the price drops drastically.
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19. February 2007 @ 23:05 |
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Anything less then the e-6300 is junk. Pay the lil bit more for the better chip. Or just get a AMD.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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19. February 2007 @ 23:13 |
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i think its worth every penny of its £105 price tag, when the e6300 is £10 more with only 60mhz more clock speed.
add to that it will be able over clock as high as the e6300 and wont need ram that is able to hit dizzying speed (and equally high prices) when you look at the bigger picture i think its the way to go for a low cost overclocking pc.
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imgs from another forum, nice oc ZoLKoRn.
not bad results for a peice of junk, eh?
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20. February 2007 @ 00:05 |
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not bad results for a peice of junk, eh?
Looks like a bench racer setting. What can it do at that OC? Can it encode and how long will it run with OCCT?
LOL Go kill the messenger. LOL Crowey is the one who gave us the legionhardware article. They thought the E4300 was overpriced for what the buyer got. I'll go along with BigDK's comparison of the E4300 and E6600.
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20. February 2007 @ 00:31 |
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The thing to remember is the cache difference, in real world use it does make a difference to the performance, and as this E4300 has only half the E6600 cache it will never perform as good.
As far as how far the E4300 will overclock, I've had mine to 3.6 stable passing Orthos for 30 mins, however it's now set to just 280x8 at 1.4V, as on air I'm not happy running it those settings, with the E6600 air cooler, I'd need to get something better.
The overclock I currently have is very small, but it gives the system a boost for playing games, and at £105 I still think the CPU is a steal.
I'll only push it again when I get a better cooler.
Having said that my E4300 will be sold before too long anyway when a replacement comes out for my E6600 at a reasonable price, I'll post when it's being sold here in case anyone wants it, otherwise it'll go onto eBay.
Like all CPUs there are good ones for OC'ing a dud ones, you never know what you'll get until you fire it up, luckily both my Intels have been very good, whereas I had some dud AMDs compared to what others were achieving.
The E6300 has been recorded as fully stable on the P5WDH at just over 3GHz, but both were on air and the latest BIOS was 1101 both have been posted for many months, so not sure what the later BIOS's can achieve.
Sam: what overclock have you got so far, and have to done any benchtesting/stability testing?
Did you manage to get the FSB raised?
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20. February 2007 @ 01:11 |
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20. February 2007 @ 01:14 |
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I've got and used both.
I didn't see any difference in them in load.
I use Orthos because i can't be arsed to wait the idle minute before OCCT starts testing (that shows how impatient I am).
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20. February 2007 @ 01:41 |
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Looks like a bench racer setting.
your right it is (look at the rest of his desk top) he is part of an overclocking group, another member got one above 4.1ghz on single stage phase change (love to see what triple stage can do) but thats another story.
im sure it would run 24/7 at around 3.2/3.4ghz and give the around the same performance as a £700 (stock)cpu with out the need for ram that costs £150+ a gb.
i am not saying that its a better chip than the e6600 (also thats a bit like comparing apples and pears) but for half the price you are getting alot more than half the chip/performance and as such it should not just be wrote of as a cheap wannabe.
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i hope so anyway as i will be ordering one at the end of the month.
@sam
what temps are you getting with you freezer pro now its bedded in a bit and where would it sit on this chart?
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20. February 2007 @ 02:45 |
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It being my first Core 2 Duo, I'm impressed with the E4300 regardless. Being able to overclock 45% without touching any settings but the FSB using single channel RAM is mind-boggling. I think it's well worth the £100, and I've only just started.
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20. February 2007 @ 10:04 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yup, the two AV programs I was recommended were AVG and NOD32.
Yup, I agree with you on the NOD32 by Eset! I love it and would call it one of the higher-end AV progs out there now. I especially like it because it's low on the resources and is constantly being updated! I used to be an avid NAV user, but now I'm NOD32! Geez, sounds like I'm talking drugs here.... lol
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20. February 2007 @ 10:07 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It being my first Core 2 Duo, I'm impressed with the E4300 regardless. Being able to overclock 45% without touching any settings but the FSB using single channel RAM is mind-boggling. I think it's well worth the £100, and I've only just started.
Hi, Sammo! Just saw your post about the 4300. I'm looking for the price to come down a little and am actually having Theonejrs build it for me! Excited about that! Looks like it's going to be pretty close to what you have, except I was going to get the g.skill DDR2 RAM CAS 4 (1GIG). How is that P5N-E mobo working for you? How high did you get the OC up to? May I ask what case you're using?
Thanks!!
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20. February 2007 @ 10:10 |
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The NZXT Lexa's my gaming case, also recently bought the Antec Nine Hundred for a storage PC. I get about 2.6-2.7Ghz out of it, regardless of voltage settings or memory timings, I'm thinking the limitation is the initial BIOS revision right now, rather than any of the other components.
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20. February 2007 @ 10:50 |
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Baltekmi,
not sure how far you want to go with your o/clock but here are some simple pencil mods to give you extra memory voltage,Northbridge chipset voltage,cpu voltage and fsb voltage:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3876
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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20. February 2007 @ 10:50 |
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What BIOS R U Running?
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20. February 2007 @ 11:04 |
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I wouldn't suggest doing any of those pencil mods unless you really know what you're doing.
2.4V on memory is far more than most will ever need, it only really comes into play if you're OCing much slower memory.
1.65V on the NB is enough to easily get to over 400FSB, and anyone getting the newer release board gets extra voltage options over than anyway, as they increased it in the rev 2 board.
Even my rev1.0 board got to 433FSB stable before I needed to start using the voltage mod I fitted, even then I preferred the hard fitted resistor over graphite method.
1.7V on the CPU is already dangerous without adequate cooling, such as peltier or phase change; even water will not cope with that amount of voltage and the heat it will produce, let alone increasing it.
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